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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"...there's no one in this entire world who hates Americans.......more than other Americans."
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Look, I dont super care about what ppl think about this student loan forgiveness thing, or Biden, or whatever. I get it. Debt redistribution, money isnt free, etc. Fine. Theres good things about it and theres not so good things about it.
My issue is that theres no one in this entire world who hates Americans .more than other Americans. This country, as a whole, is comprised of just the most selfish fucking society, man. Ppl get all up in their feelings at even the mere THOUGHT of anyone getting anything that they didnt get.
Raise the minimum wage to a barely livable $15? NO! MY precious, important job pays me $20, so burger flippers dont deserve to make anywhere close to what IM making!!
Cancel student debt?
NO! I already paid my loans off, why do THEY get theirs cancelled.
Affordable healthcare for all?
NO! Im not paying more taxes so that my neighbor can see a doctor about his medical condition!!
We are our own oppressors and weve been conditioned to be that. Were doing their work for them. Its been seared into us that helping each other is a bad thing. That this country is not actually greater than the sum of its parts. Weve been told that if someone who has nothing gets something, its because they took it from someone who also has nothing. And we believed all of it. Meanwhile, the ppl who have everything are laughing their asses off.
We dont compromise. We dont share. We dont sacrifice. We dont want to do anything to help the next person. Why? Because no one helped us. So fuck everyone else. Never considering that you deserved help too. It just didnt come when you needed it, unfortunately.
People dont want this country to be better. They just want it to be better for THEM. And thats it. Full stop. Apparently, progress should be measured on an individual basis, not collective.
And then we wonder why were being completely lapped by other countries in every major category. Because those places understand that access to healthcare without having to go into debt is better for EVERYONE. Access to education without going into debt is better for EVERYONE. Access to affordable living without going into debt is better for EVERYONE.
Not here, though. Were perfectly fine with our taxes going to more military bullshit. Were perfectly fine with debt companies getting rich off of collecting student debts. Were perfectly fine with keeping ppl below the poverty line because they work a job that we think is beneath us.
Seems legit.
This whole Why should that person be rescued from drowning when I was forced to swim to shore bullshit aint it. And its nothing to be proud of.
Biophilic
(3,633 posts)rownesheck
(2,343 posts)when stupid phrases like "rugged individualism" are used to describe this country, and it's treated as if that's a good thing.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of (my) happiness (but not yours)"?
Mr. Steve
(114 posts)sad but oh so true
sop
(10,106 posts)Anonymous Greek Proverb
Earth-shine
(3,960 posts)Mostly, I blame right-wing media, which means blaming the billionaires who own it.
BonnieJW
(2,259 posts)I look at them and say, "How can you be so unkind?"
There's something about the word unkind that makes people incredibly uncomfortable with themselves. Try it; it's very effective.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hitler did too. Every populist leader does, and every aggrieved populist follower laps it up.
Senator Sanders uses a different direction of approach for his class-based LW populism, but same methods. He gives some pro forma credit to the Democrats' loan forgiveness, but his populist responses to all happenings focus as reliably as the Republicans' do on grievance and victimization by elites (doesn't begin to be enough, how about all the people who were denied debt relief, we don't have a government that works for the people, instead works for those on top, etc, etc.)
Even something positive like this gets the treatment because populist leaders are SUPPOSED to use every event to make people more upset, more dissatisfied, feeling more personally victimized. tRump's populist movement can't survive without keeping grievance stoked and to succeed need to grow it into an establishment-destroying inferno.
So, of course to this particular RW narrative. What's the saying, "as predictable as bread falling butter side down"?
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)well stated.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)This is another good point ...
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)feed their kids because they dont make enough money to do so?
progressoid
(49,952 posts)ck4829
(35,039 posts)Conservatives frame them as "Marxism" or "Socialism"
localroger
(3,622 posts)Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)if it was "selfishness" they would be on our side - fighting to make sure everyone has access to health care and ensuring and strengthening SS, agreeing with helping out on student loans, cause maybe THEIR kids would benefit from it ...
The VAST majority of the people with TRUMP signs outside their raggety domiciles would be M U C H better off with democratic policies.
What we have as a society is the long terms effects of people allowing themselves to be sucked into conservative hate indulgence, to the point where they reject what is in their best interests.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)it's people who purportedly hate Trump, people who purportedly are on the left. There is a spectrum of this selfishness and resistance to doing what it takes to lift the collective.
But for the MAGA types, you're absolutely right: They are fueled by hatred of anything and anyone they deem "liberal" because of the right-wing brainwashing for decades. I don't give them a pass though. There was something in them that made them vulnerable to that hate propaganda, no one is forcing them.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,641 posts)then blame Democrats when Republicans win to prove your point.
Evolve Dammit
(16,702 posts)owners had next to nothing, "What in the world do you think they will do to benefit you?" Of course the answer is nothing but they have convinced the poor who believe what this thread is about. Interestingly after the Civil War, the rich whites were terrified that the freed slaves and poor whites would join together and they went to great lengths to ensure that never happened. Still doing it today.
Farmer-Rick
(10,140 posts)Remember the saying "Greed is Good"? It was very popular when Chile was being led by that psycho Pinochet. Remember how proud those capitalists are to tell us how they use a "natural" human vice to build a world economy on?
Greed is what motivates everyone don't you know? Just ask any GOPer, free trader, Libertarian or Milton Friedman, oh wait he's dead. Could we have picked maybe a virtue to build an economy around? Yes, but then it would not be capitalism.
To have capitalism you have to make it appear that greed is good for everyone. Greed leads to selfishness, money grubbing and the worship of the rich. It enompasses most other vices like gluttony and boasting. It is the foundation of our failing economic system.
That's why Americans hate other Americans so much. It is ingrained in us from childhood that having it all is good and we must fight for the few crumbs those born into capital throw our way. We must always compete but never cooperate. We are very carefully taught that the pile of loot you manage to accumulate before you die, is the measure of your selfworth. So no one else can have any of it but you.
Kyesha
(30 posts)This is very true. Whenever I'm abroad the last thing I want to do is be around an American. You can hear them 10 miles away. Ugly Americans used to be everywhere, but thankfully vaccine requirements have kept many of them at home.
Evolve Dammit
(16,702 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,638 posts)we are such a joke to more advanced countries
Evolve Dammit
(16,702 posts)sindri
(37 posts)if everyone else can be just as happy? That is basically the issue with many people - it seems to be hardwired in our DNA that we want to have something exclusively - like little spoiled children that only want a toy if other kids want it but can't have it. As soon as the other kids stop wanting it or get one, the first kid doesn't want it anymore. People learn to overcome this by learning about and experiencing healthy social interaction - sharing, caring, you know, the stuff Jesus teaches Christians but they seem to ignore.
IbogaProject
(2,789 posts)Either those people are closer to paying off their loans or at least their payments are now linked to income. This will free up money to go into the economy.
markie
(22,756 posts)and we all have got to quit playing it!!
al_liberal
(420 posts)My Bulgarian wife says they have a saying: I dont want myself to be better I want you to be worse than me. I think its come to the US.
keithbvadu2
(36,678 posts)Politicians who vote against disaster aid for other states but hold their own begging hand out for hurricane/tornado relief.
'We're tough and independent and take care of ourselves' until it happens to them.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Grumpy Old Guy
(3,155 posts)The "tax revolt" started in California in the late seventies, led by a local gadfly named Howard Jarvis. You might remember him as the guy in the taxi in the movie "Airplane.". It then spread to the rest of the country. The favorite phrase of his supporters was "why ahould I pay for (fill in the blank)." That was when institutional selfishness and short sightedness became acceotable.