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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 08:42 AM Aug 2022

Mr. ATTORNEY GENERAL, respectfully:

I believe that there is one very important factor that needs to be more thoughtfully considered when deciding what action is appropriate with regard to Donsld Trump's actions in and out of office. It is the opposite of a technicality. Most everyone understands it.

"Justice delayed is justice denied".

I believe that a corrosive attitude is seeping into public opinion and it is eroding public respect for the law and government in general. That attitude can be summed up as "Trump---and any other wealthy/powerful person---can break any law he wants and get away with it! 'Equal Justice' is a damn lie!"

I understand that there have always been cynics and that much of what planted the seeds for this corrosive attitude occurred before you were AG, but most look to you to "achieve justice" and believe that the danger of inaction is existential for our democracy.

I want you to succeed. I respect both your competence and your integrity. I merely suggest that the attitude I described above exists and is growing and that there is a "tipping point" beyond which your best efforts will be insufficient to restore public respect for our legal system.

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Mr. ATTORNEY GENERAL, respectfully: (Original Post) Atticus Aug 2022 OP
K and R...Thanks for posting.. Stuart G Aug 2022 #1
I see more folks every day coming around to the AG's secondwind Aug 2022 #2
I believe our poster Atticus is politely saying "hurry up because Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #4
Some of this has to be weighed against "the appearance of impropriety", though Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #3
TFG is not on the ballot in November. He's an ordinary citizen, legally , at this point. panader0 Aug 2022 #10
I know that, you know that, but THEY don't care about facts Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #13
THEY are going to pull some such nonsense regardless of when Garland acts or what he does. Scrivener7 Aug 2022 #18
Republicans will see any INDICTMENT of Trump as Political... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2022 #5
The political party of, say a bank robber, is never considered. TFG is a thief, period. panader0 Aug 2022 #12
What the Federalist Society did to contaminate justice,... magicarpet Aug 2022 #6
+1 brer cat Aug 2022 #8
Is it being "delayed"? Or is it being pursued more methodically that you'd like? brooklynite Aug 2022 #7
Gee, that sounds like the usual implied accusation that avoids stating an opinion. nt Atticus Aug 2022 #9
I've stated my opinion on Garland's work clearly and consistently for the past year. brooklynite Aug 2022 #11
If you have evidence that one cannot be both methodical and aggressive, please enlighten us. nt Atticus Aug 2022 #15
There is another phrase most everyone understands: Beastly Boy Aug 2022 #14
If you reread my OP, I described what I see as a growing "attitude" among the American public. I Atticus Aug 2022 #16
Your expressed respect to the AG is to be commended Beastly Boy Aug 2022 #17
Again, if you READ the OP, it clearly connects the PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION to the Atticus Aug 2022 #22
No doubt you've sent this to him in some form of correspondence? BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #19
That all ya got? nt Atticus Aug 2022 #23
"your best efforts will be insufficient to restore public respect for our legal system." llmart Aug 2022 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Aug 2022 #21

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
2. I see more folks every day coming around to the AG's
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 08:46 AM
Aug 2022

way of thinking. We are almost “there”, I think.

Tetrachloride

(7,813 posts)
4. I believe our poster Atticus is politely saying "hurry up because
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 08:51 AM
Aug 2022

justice delayed is justice denied” and that caution by AG Garland is delaying.

I am in the hurry up camp, usually.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
3. Some of this has to be weighed against "the appearance of impropriety", though
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 08:49 AM
Aug 2022

That being, this is a political stunt meant to influence the voters at the ballot box in November.

Now, you know and I know that that is total and utter bullshit. The DOJ filing from yesterday details that Trump was first made aware of NARA's request for the boxes of documents last year and that he stonewalled and ignored and basically taunted the feds until they finally had no choice but to swear out a search warrant and collect them themselves.

But that's not how they're spinning it, and when you have 70 million cultists believing their lies, you can't fuel them any further.

I want Trump to be indicted for a myriad of crimes the day after mid-terms. The day after. That, too, would send a very strong signal.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
13. I know that, you know that, but THEY don't care about facts
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:20 AM
Aug 2022

They'd say an indictment against Trump is an indictment against every GOP candidate running in the mid-terms, particularly those he's endorsed. Every single one of them would play the victim card. If you can't win, whine.

I don't agree, but it needs to be weighed against the "justice delayed, justice denied" scenario. I have faith in Garland and I'm certain he'll make the proper decision.

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
18. THEY are going to pull some such nonsense regardless of when Garland acts or what he does.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:20 AM
Aug 2022

That should not be a factor in his actions.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,699 posts)
5. Republicans will see any INDICTMENT of Trump as Political...
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 08:57 AM
Aug 2022

That is who they are.

No doubt Kevin McCarthy will go after Merrick Garland for this. THAT would be Political despite the obvious crimes TDFG committed and lied about.

magicarpet

(14,113 posts)
6. What the Federalist Society did to contaminate justice,...
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:06 AM
Aug 2022

.... by loading the Supreme Court with hyper Christian-Fascists was bad enough. The sole remaining pillar of American justice depends entirely on the Department of Justice and the Office of Attorney General to protect and defend our Constitutional Democracy.

The courts have been dangerously filled with religious and political reactionaries and operatives.

And they ain't done yet. State district courts, State appellate courts, and State supreme courts are currently being flooded with Christian-Fascist judicial nominations to these benches too. The goal is near total complete makeover of our courts by religiously inspired fascistic judges who are willing to trample our rights and freedoms.

brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
11. I've stated my opinion on Garland's work clearly and consistently for the past year.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:18 AM
Aug 2022

If you have evidence that prosecution is being "delayed", please enlighten us.

DELAY (verb): "the act of postponing, hindering, or causing something to occur more slowly than normal "

Beastly Boy

(9,229 posts)
14. There is another phrase most everyone understands:
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:24 AM
Aug 2022

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I have no data on the subject, but it seems to me that a lot more justice has been denied by rushing to judgment on the basis of insufficient knowledge than by taking time to acquire the knowledge necessary for successful prosecution.

Cavalierly claiming “justice denied” to refer to due process taking its due course trivializes the phrase. Showing no apparent reason other than impatience to make this claim renders it meaningless.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
16. If you reread my OP, I described what I see as a growing "attitude" among the American public. I
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:34 AM
Aug 2022

stated my respect for the AG and his competence.

But, to simply trivialize the attitude does nothing to change it or reduce its corrosive effect.

Beastly Boy

(9,229 posts)
17. Your expressed respect to the AG is to be commended
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:10 AM
Aug 2022

Still, since you featured the phrase “justice delayed is justice denied” in a post directed at the AG, I surmised that you are connecting the aforementioned corrosive effect directly to him.

There is no evidence of undue delays in the DOJ investigation. There is no evidence that Garland is responsible for any of these presumed delays. There is no evidence of any corrosive effect that can be attributed to Garland as a consequence of these presumed delays. There is no evidence that justice had been denied to anyone as a consequence of these presumed actions by the AG for the duration of these presumed delays that could possibly be connected to any presumed corrosive effects

And I am not sure why you have used the phrase “trivialize the attitude” or who and what it refers to

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
22. Again, if you READ the OP, it clearly connects the PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION to the
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 11:41 AM
Aug 2022

corrosive effect.

Further, I was also puzzled by YOUR use of "trivialize".

llmart

(15,532 posts)
20. "your best efforts will be insufficient to restore public respect for our legal system."
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:49 AM
Aug 2022

I believe that ship has already sailed and it's not Merrick Garland's fault. Our country's sense of who receives justice and who doesn't is cemented in a lot of history. It's the reason Trump's been able to skate on so much in his lifetime even before he became president. Money talks. Not all judges/cops/FBI agents/politicians are upstanding citizens who believe in the rule of law. I do believe that Merrick Garland is someone who lives by the credo that no one is above the law.

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