A Failed Coup Is Practice For A Successful Coup

[ItsjustMe]

[empedocles]

1. Wow! Explains a lot about state level activities in the news

[empedocles]

2. Again, need to know who is coordinating/financing these activities and - which coordinators

are coordinatorting the coordinators

[More to it than usual suspects like Koch/Mercer, the Federalist Society types, etc.]

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. The NAZIs launched a fail coup in 1924 Germany

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Hitler was arrested and sent to prison for a year. In 1933 he became Chancellor.

[Cosmocat]

11. Wthout firing a bullet

This is how this is tracking ...

[PufPuf23]

19. What happened in the 2000 POTUS election?

Vote counting in Florida was disrupted.

Roger Stone led the Brooks Brothers Riot.

Gore would have won if the count had continued under protocol but the headed to rogue USSC stopped the count.

[FakeNoose]

4. They already know they're going to lose the Senate

The Repukes' only hope is to win the House, and we have to make sure that doesn't happen. IF they're stupid enough to choose Chump as their candidate in 2024, well ... they don't deserve to win ANYTHING ever again.

[Aristus]

5. It's also practice for the security forces that helped make the first one a failed coup.

As admirable a job as the Capitol security did on January 6th, they learned a lot from it, and will no doubt be better prepared if another one happens.

[House of Roberts]

7. Those same security forces won't be kneecapped

if Joe Biden is President.

[Aristus]

8. Damned straight!

[TheRealNorth]

12. The Republican plan is that they will be within the law

Or that the Republicans on SCOTUS will rule that they are within the law. That is why the North Carolina case is crucial with regards to the Republican's "Independent State Legislature theory", where state courts, the legislature, previously passed laws, or a state's constitution cannot limit a state legislature's ability to choose the presidential electors.

[newdayneeded]

14. My thought too

There won't be bike rack fencing and a several dozen officers simply pushing back this time. The ground will be full of coup blood. Orders will be given to treat these dirt bags exactly as they are.....invading terrorists!

[wnylib]

27. The next coup attempt will probably

not be an attack on buildings like the Capitol or the White House. It will be just what the OP says - state legislatures empowered to overturn results that they don't like and name their own winner.

That will, of course, result in angry protests from the disenfranchised voters. Then states will crack down harshly on the protesters. At that point it will get more violent. Fighting in the streets, declarations of emergency and martial law. Martial law will be enforced by militias in red states, not by the National Guard. Some former and active Guard members will also be militia members, as will several former and current police officers.

A massive storming of the Capitol again seems unlikely.

[Kaleva]

6. Coup plans made in LA La Land can't succeed in the real world

I don't understand why some here assume TFG is smart, can learn from his mistakes and his inner circle are intelligent, practical people.

There is ample evidence that supports the argument that none of the above is true .

[TheRealNorth]

9. This isn't about Trump

It is about Republicans making it harder for Democrats to vote, and even if Democrats win a state like Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, or Michigan, that the gerrymandered Republican state legislatures in those states will ignore the popular vote and choose who will get the state's presidential electors.

It could be DeathSatan and not TFG. Or Tom Cotton.

[Kaleva]

10. To get control of state legislatures, people would have to vote for them

Gerrymandered districts in favour of Republicans cannot come before legit R control of state legislatures.

[TheRealNorth]

15. That's some backward logic

You are basically saying gerrymandering is okay because at some point a non-gerrymandered legislature did it.

I mean, we are getting in the realm of what is law vs what is just, but if the state legislature at some point decides to apportion votes by land area and not population, I am not going to take that shit regardless of its "legitamacy".

[Kaleva]

17. Quote where I said gerrymandering is ok

The point I clearly made was that in order for Republicans to gerrymander districts in their favor was that they'd have to first win legit elections in order to gain control of state legislatures.

Thus it behoves us to work hard as we each can to elect enough Democrats in critical states so that D's control the state legislatures in same states.

[TheRealNorth]

25. But how does that happen in a gerrymandered state?

The whole purpose of the gerrymandering is to prevent Democrats from winning a majority even in D+10 elections.

It sounds like you are legitimizing their steal of the 2024 election because, "hey, we could have theoretically won those legislative seats." I could theoretically win PowerBall too, but that doesn't make playing the lottery a smart retirement strategy.

Fuck that noise. That sort of thinking is what got us here.

[Kaleva]

30. Again, Repubs have to win control of state legislatures in order to gerrymander districts

Thud the way to prevent them from gaining such control is to defeat them on election day. If they have control, that makes the task harder but still doable.

[TheRealNorth]

32. Okay

So "vote harder." My guess is that you never had to wait 6-12 hours to cast a ballot like some people do. Never had to travel to a polling location without a car or convenient mass transit. And you have maybe an hour to do it because you had to work to 6 and the polls close at 7. Or maybe the bus stops running.

I am not going to legitimize this bullshit like you are. But hey, I guess that let's you off the hook when it comes time to fight back. Because "the people" voted for Fascism.

[Kaleva]

35. I'd like to know what you are doing to revers gerrymandering,

the disenfranchising of voters and such. My guess is that you are doing pretty much what I'm doing. We are both voting harder and encouraging others to vote and supporting candidates and we do this by following the rules and obeying the laws.

[Cosmocat]

13. It isn't just the general assemblies

In PA, EVERYONE knows if Mastriano wins gov, he will appoint people to do just this.

[uponit7771]

20. TFG is stupid the people who hate democracy are smart enough to cause shit tones of damage even

... if they lose like the CSA.

Best to stop them before they get started

[Kaleva]

21. And we beat them by winning elections

Prevent them from gaining the power in the first place.

[Montauk6]

16. Hey, just look at the World Trade Center...

When they couldn't trip it up from below, they aimed for the top 8 years later.

[Kaleva]

22. I thought Al Qaeda"s goal was to destroy the US?

[Montauk6]

36. Maybe they just decided to changing the "eda" to "non" in their name ;)

[ThoughtCriminal]

18. Democrats need to place way more emphasis on local elections

Control of state legislatures is the cornerstone of the Republican anti-democracy strategy.

They currently rule 61 out of 98 state chambers that have one-party control.

[crickets]

24. 👆 This.

Obviously the national races are paramount, but the Democratic party often does not pay enough attention to state (Sec of State) and local (school board) races - to everyone's peril.

Your point about state legislatures is well taken. Governorships are also key: in some cases, federal programs and funds are deliberately ignored, mismanaged, or outright turned down by Repub governors. It's frustrating when Dems on the federal level finally get something done for everyone, but at the state level, Repubs find a way to block it.

[Duppers]

28. TRUTH.

They are disenfranchising voters.

[fightforfreedom]

23. The traitors are going to lose.

The Republicans are going to lose. Paranoia will destroy ya.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

34. Correct!

Turnout cancels out all of their dirty tricks.

#GOTV!

[flying_wahini]

26. Then we need to rebalance the SCOTUS and start with Thomas. Immediately.

[liberalla]

29. This is something I think and worry about a lot... It's murky. All the various ways they can

trip things up. I hope the SC doesn't give them the reins.

[Liberal In Texas]

31. Yes, this is an ongoing coup.

It hasn't been stopped.

That's why the DOJ needs to start charging the criminals.

[TheRealNorth]

33. Dude

Just "Vote Harder"

If we crawl naked over broken glass to vote and still manage to win 70% of the vote, things can change.



Whoops, my mistake, we needed to win a supermajority to overcome the vetoes.

[Kaleva]

37. So what are you doing to defeat them?

Voting harder I imagine. Like most everyone else here. I seriously doubt you are operating outside the law. I also doubt you aren't doing anything at all other then posting on DU.

[TheRealNorth]

38. Now you are changing the subject

Rather than acknowledging that we could come to a point, possibly as soon as 2024, where our votes are being tossed aside because of the rigged system Republicans have set up.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/moore-harper-scotus-independent-state-legislature-election-power/670992/
(excerpt)

How Six States Could Overturn the 2024 Election

The Supreme Court may let state legislatures decide the presidency.
Late last month, in one of its final acts of the term, the Supreme Court queued up another potentially precedent-wrecking decision for next year. The Court’s agreement to hear Moore v. Harper, a North Carolina redistricting case, isn’t just bad news for efforts to control gerrymandering. The Court’s right-wing supermajority is poised to let state lawmakers overturn voters’ choice in presidential elections.

To understand the stakes, and the motives of Republicans who brought the case, you need only one strategic fact of political arithmetic. Six swing states—Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina—are trending blue in presidential elections but ruled by gerrymandered Republican state legislatures. No comparable red-trending states are locked into Democratic legislatures.


Joe Biden won five of those six swing states in 2020. Donald Trump then tried and failed, lawlessly, to muscle the GOP state legislators into discarding Biden’s victory and appointing Trump electors instead. The Moore case marks the debut in the nation’s highest court of a dubious theory that could give Republicans legal cover in 2024 to do as Trump demanded in 2020. And if democracy is subverted in just a few states, it can overturn the election nationwide.

[Kaleva]

39. No, I've consistently made the point that elections need to be won

For Republicans to gerrymander districts, they first need to gain control of state legislatures and to do that, they need to win elections. I also said the way to counter that is to win elections.

I then asked you what you are doing to fight gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement. The reason I asked that is one can tell just how important an issue is to someone by how vigorous their response is to the issue. The more resources a person expends and the amount of personal risk they are willing to take on in dealing with the issue, the more important it is. People risked their lives, and some lost their lives, fighting for what they believed in. This is human nature

So, what are you doing to fight voter disenfranchisement? As I said before, I suspect you are doing what I'm doing. We are voting harder. If so, the issue is of equal importance to us. It's the actions one takes in responding to an issue that matters and not the rhetoric on social media.