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MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 11:27 AM Sep 2022

Contradiction... I almost didn't catch it.

TFG's lawyers made this statement in their filing on Wednesday:

“It is the reasonable expectation of privacy in one’s home that triggers the obvious standing of the homeowner to contest a search on those premises,” Trump’s lawyers said.


TFG appointed 3 of the 6 SCOTUS justices that ruled that there is no right to privacy.

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Contradiction... I almost didn't catch it. (Original Post) MissMillie Sep 2022 OP
and it's not his home, it's his hotel mopinko Sep 2022 #1
It isn't his HOUSE but it is his HOME. brooklynite Sep 2022 #4
A mailing address, neither a house nor a home makes sanatanadharma Sep 2022 #7
Wrong... brooklynite Sep 2022 #8
Wonder what the public opinion, including town is now! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #14
Hit link's paywall. Last I read recently stated he must leave MAL for some portion of the allegorical oracle Sep 2022 #16
That limitation was rescinded last year. onenote Sep 2022 #19
A home need not even be a physical dwelling iemanja Sep 2022 #20
Even more, it is a club with limited occupancy csziggy Sep 2022 #22
i've heard it called his club a few times, but his hotel only once. mopinko Sep 2022 #23
A hotel would be allowed to have unlimited occupancy csziggy Sep 2022 #25
Scotus decisions don't appy to the Orange Furor aka FPOTUS Yonnie3 Sep 2022 #2
Perfect point with devastating irony FakeNoose Sep 2022 #3
MAGAts still haven't figured out they lost their right to privacy, either. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #5
Oh, the women dimly realize they've lost something Warpy Sep 2022 #12
We need the House and grow the majority in the Senate... Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #13
Not if that homeowner.... SergeStorms Sep 2022 #6
Yes, don't care if you lived in a monastery, if it's a crime scene! nt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #15
The Pig an expectation of privacy in Mar a Quid Pro Quo but it was set aside for the search. Thomas Hurt Sep 2022 #9
Grasping at Straws..... ashredux Sep 2022 #10
Not what the swine says he is used to grasping at! justhanginon Sep 2022 #11
The SCOTUS did not rule that there is no right to privacy. onenote Sep 2022 #17
His un-justices ruled that women have no right to privacy IN THEIR BODIES. pnwmom Sep 2022 #18
I think that this is covered by the Fourth Admendment to the US Constitution Red Pest Sep 2022 #21
Suck on that, Traitor. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #24

sanatanadharma

(3,699 posts)
7. A mailing address, neither a house nor a home makes
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:30 PM
Sep 2022

Mar a Lago is a mailing address like a PO box.
Mar a Lago is like an Air B&B. It can not be a 365/24 house, home, or resort.
He breaks the legal agreement, to which he committed, if he lives there rather than simply visits.

Breaking laws, contracts, covenants, and countries is not justification for breaking laws, contracts, co.venants, and countries.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
16. Hit link's paywall. Last I read recently stated he must leave MAL for some portion of the
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:44 PM
Sep 2022

year and that's when he heads back up north to other properties. It was a compromise with the municipal govt.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
20. A home need not even be a physical dwelling
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:03 PM
Sep 2022

It is legally his home. That, however, doesn’t mean he can conduct criminal activity in that home without consequence.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
22. Even more, it is a club with limited occupancy
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:28 PM
Sep 2022

By the contract TFG signed when he converted Mar-A-Lago from a private residence to a club, no one, mombers or TFG (and family) is supposed to stay there for any serious length of time:

Trump agreed to convey the title of the property from his personal possession to a corporate entity he controlled named Mar-a-Lago Club, Inc. He promised he wouldn’t put up condominiums or co-op units. He also took care of a worrisome issue for some council members: the question of what would happen if the club failed. In that event, Trump agreed in writing to the same provision his attorney had promised: “The use of the Land shall revert to a single family residence.”

The deal he struck made it clear that no one could live permanently at the property. It stated that the guest suites could be used only by members for a maximum of three times a year for no longer than seven days at a time, and that those seven-day stays couldn’t be strung together consecutively.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-made-florida-his-official-residence-he-may-have-also-made-a-legal-mess/2020/05/07/17d53fb2-849c-11ea-878a-86477a724bdb_story.html


Now he's claimed he is an "employee" of the club and can live there indefinitely.

The 1993 agreement allowed Trump to convert the private residence into a private club.

Randolph also advised that under the town's zoning code, private clubs can provide living quarters to a "bona fide employee."

Under evidence provided to the town, Trump is a bona fide employee of Mar-a-Lago, Randolph concluded.

The town defines "employee" as "any person generally working onsite for the establishment and includes sole proprietors, partners, limited partners, corporate officers and the like."
https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/story/news/2021/05/07/trump-maralago-florida-employee/4944038001/


csziggy

(34,136 posts)
25. A hotel would be allowed to have unlimited occupancy
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 04:07 PM
Sep 2022

A club is limited to the number of members and how often and long the members can stay.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
12. Oh, the women dimly realize they've lost something
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:33 PM
Sep 2022

I think men still have a right to privacy. Women don't have rights to anything, not even their own bodies.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
13. We need the House and grow the majority in the Senate...
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:37 PM
Sep 2022

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Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
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SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
6. Not if that homeowner....
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:02 PM
Sep 2022

has stolen state secrets, for whatever purpose, and refuses to return them to the National Archives where they belong.

Such a homeowner is to be considered a criminal whose rights are suspended until the situation is adjudicated.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
9. The Pig an expectation of privacy in Mar a Quid Pro Quo but it was set aside for the search.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:53 PM
Sep 2022

The FBI had a search warrant issued by a judge after the judge was shown probable cause to search.

onenote

(42,699 posts)
17. The SCOTUS did not rule that there is no right to privacy.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:50 PM
Sep 2022

What they said was that Roe "conflated" two different concepts of privacy: the right to shield information from disclosure and the right to make and implement important personal decisions without governmental interference.

The former, spelled out in the Fourth Amendment, was not impacted by Dobbs.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
18. His un-justices ruled that women have no right to privacy IN THEIR BODIES.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:51 PM
Sep 2022

Their ruling wouldn't affect Trump's situation.

Red Pest

(288 posts)
21. I think that this is covered by the Fourth Admendment to the US Constitution
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:24 PM
Sep 2022

AMENDMENT IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

With the above in mind: 1) Was there a warrant issued that particularly described the place(s) to be searched and the things to be seized? YES
2) Was this supported by an affirmation? Again YES.

Privacy? Privacy is a given until the government does what is described in the 4th Amendment to obtain a warrant. This is NOT rocket science. This is just a case of the government providing evidence to a judge that the person (TFG) is likely to have something to which he is not entitled/which he has stolen and that it is being kept in a certain place or places. Then armed with that warrant the government goes to that place(s) and presents the warrant and goes in a does the lawful search and seizure.

Guess what, all that was done and Orange Pustule was found to have these very things...and he lied about having them, but then he compounds it by saying that he is entitled to have them.

It is time to assemble the case and indict the schmuck.

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