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I see right wing snowflakes on Twitter calling Dark Brandon's speech divisive and not very uniting.
Good.
Why would I want to be united the other side of the spectrum? Let's count the things they have said and done.
- Their side will support TFG even if he literally did shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue. It's already been unprecedented corruption from anything I've seen in my lifetime, and many have seen in theirs. It doesn't matter how corrupt; it doesn't matter about wanting to overturn democracy or if people die or put in danger. We love him, so they support him, and all they cared about for four years was "owning" us, even if it came at the expense of the country. During those infamous four years, I saw some supporters say in comments sections online they wanted laws passed making it illegal to be a liberal. Why would I want to be "united" with someone like that?
- Their side took away the right to choose, legalizing a form of torture because women can't always terminate their ectopic pregnancies. Or if they were allowed to do, they might die, as one woman in Missouri did just as lawyers were being consulted and she was given the go-ahead. The woman in Louisiana was forced to birth a headless fetus or travel to Florida. Why would I want to "unite" with somebody who subjects women to cruelty?
- They're openly embracing theocracy and feel more and more emboldened after Dobbs. Look at Boebert's comments when she said the church should be directing the state, or that she's sick of the separation of church and state, which the Extreme Court has gutted in its activism, such as the Kennedy case, or allowing tax dollars to private/religious institutions. Why would I want to be "united" with theocrats?
- Their homophobia has come out of the woodwork once again, such as Florida's Don't Say Gay Bill and other rhetoric/proposed legislation. They want to out LGBTQ+ students to their parents, or teachers will see penalties. They want to reverse Obergefell, they want to reverse Lawrence. A Newsmax reporter had a meltdown being triggered over the Pride flying somewhere in California months ago, suggesting that LGBTQ+ Americans aren't hardworking, you have people from Moms For Liberty wanting to put LGBTQ+ students in special classes, likening them to autistic students. McAlester, Oklahoma, a place I spent two years of my life, is segregating lunches based on gender and Republican AGs want to stop school lunches to LGBTQ+ students. Why would I want to be "united" with somebody who claims we are dehumanizing them when they're interested in dehumanizing all sorts of groups of people who don't look or think like them?
- Democracy. Every time we win an election in the last two years, they've cried fraud, starting with the Big Lie that saw an attack on our Capitol that neither I nor many others envisioned we'd see in our lifetimes, all because they were sore losers. They cried fraud because California voted against recalling Gov. Newsom. They cried fraud even when they lost in Republican primaries. They cried fraud on Tuesday when Sarah Palin lost (surprise, surprise). They've wanted audit after audit, from Arizona in 2020 to Kansas voting no. We may not have pure democracy (e.g. directly electing the president, which we should have), but that's not good enough for them because some people on Twitter (even those with blue check marks) want to repeal the 19th Amendment and limit voting to property owning men. Why would I want to "unite" with people who want to take away the lifeblood of a first world country?
I could go on and on and on and on about different examples of conservatives showing what awful people they are that they want to subjugate and hold down different individuals and groups of people, like the racism - Mike Braun saying Loving v. Virginia was a mistake, or the insurrectionists showing on January 6 that Blue Lives Matter is nothing more than a racist dog whistle.
I'm not going to "unite" with people who propose policies to hurt others and take away things that we've taken for granted all of these years.
They want exclusivity, we want inclusivity - but we're not going to include those who want to exclude.
TheRealNorth
(9,471 posts)EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)Their laws on the books against terminating pregnancies based on rape and incest and wanting to give rapist fathers visitation rights.
I have no interest in "uniting" with a party that wants to criminalize terminating a pregnancy that happened against their will more harshly than they want to criminalize said person who impregnated the female against her will.
Celerity
(43,134 posts)gulliver
(13,168 posts)No one is ever fully unified with anyone over everything.
Unity on manners? Sure. Freedom of speech? Sure.
There's this idea that you're either united with someone or divided with them when, in fact, you simply agree and disagree on particular issues. You get to a four-way stop at the same time and let the person to your right go first? You've just exemplified unity with them on the concept of traffic laws, and it's appropriate even if you notice a confederate flag on their bumper sticker as they drive off.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)That they don't like democracy, they don't want everybody voting. Democracy is a bad thing to them, not a good thing. When the Dobbs draft was leaked, and made official, they accused us of being against democracy, but it's Republicans who refuse to put the issue to a vote because they saw what happened in Kansas.
gulliver
(13,168 posts)We disagree with that. We persuade them to change their minds or defeat them over it. That's democracy. But democratic victory has to do with a form of unity that occurs when the majority or plurality agrees on something. You can't get there if the standard is to agree on everything.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)We've gotten past the point where this is politics as usual, or disagreement on policy. They have shown that they are bad people, they're running for office and people are voting for them. This is what's at stake, and we have to believe that democracy and other liberties people have taken for granted are jeopardized.
If I let a car pass because they beat me to the stop sign, that's just me following traffic laws and etiquette, certainly not somebody I would want to "unite" with if they have a Confederate flag as a bumper sticker. In my opinion, that's a flag of traitors.
gulliver
(13,168 posts)He's messing with Republican unity over the topic of democracy, using it as a wedge issue (which it is) between MAGA Trumpies and run-of-the-mill Republicans.
Republicans have a lot of bad people on the Republican side if the definition of "bad" includes, say, white supremacy, deliberate lying for political gain, and discarding democracy. But most Republicans don't go there. Some do, and, on those topics and others "we" can achieve "unity" against "them."
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)Do most Republicans not go there? It seems to me run of the mill Republicans are phased out and MAGA is becoming more and more mainstream.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)It's enough. They are an extremely dangerous group of US residents who wish to destroy our Democracy. I'm done. They can either get with being an American - or get gone.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... are we to do with them in regards to unity?
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)An abolition of democracy has become one of their beliefs, but theyre crying how divisive last nights speech was con being called out on it.
Good. Im not going to unite with enemies of democracy.
Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)He proposed that we unite with Independents and non-MAGA Republicans to fight MAGA.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)They decried his speech as being divisive and not being very uniting at all.
But I know I don't want to be united with MAGA, and I'm sure many others don't.
Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)With those who cried his speech was divisive.
Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)With that cry, they're choosing their side. They'll be on the wrong side of history.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)History is written by the winners. What if they win?
Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)Once democracy is saved, we'll go back to fighting them tooth and nail over policy matters, and they'll fight back - but within the framework of democracy.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)Even if it saved, I fear a can of warms has been opened, that the toothpaste is out of the tube, when it comes to these people.
The days of civilized debates over policy are over. They're interested in oppressing us while crying the victim, and we need to be pushing back against that.
TheRealNorth
(9,471 posts)But we should also be prepared if we are not successful. I truly believe that they will steal the 2024 Presidential election via State Legislatures if they can, so I am not very optimistic.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)If we submit and unify, its over.
Saving our country is more important.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)"I don't understand why all these LIBTARDS are un-friending me. Must be a bunch of femi-nazi snowflakes."
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)We know who they are, how they think, and what they will do if they have power. They need to be stopped and tossed into the dust bin of history.
I think President Biden did an excellent job of distinguishing between the MAGA's and the conservatives who don't follow the MAGA fascist leader.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)address cast a light on a minority of extremists and traitors who've gotten control of the Republican Party FOR THE PURPOSE of moving the division in the electorate -- shifting from mindless right v left to, instead, create a large majority of Americans v the grave threat of a white nationalist Christian authoritarian coup d'etat by "MAGA Republicans."
What kind of nation do you want to live in?
RW authoritarianism and fascism are, above all, mean. Refusing the meanness and intense antagonism they've succeeded in blanketing our nation with is a stand against their attempted RW authoritarian takeover.
We can all fight simply by smiling at people when we go out. Waving courteously to neighbors, the way normal used to be. (I wouldn't exclude any intractably hostile MAGAs, either. If nothing else, it'll confuse and upset them. )
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)Gives human rights and equal protection to all, a nonviolent state where we are all peaceful and mind our own business, respecting lifebloods of first world countries and being advanced and developed.
Where has playing nice gotten us? Them playing dirty got Roe overturned. If theyre not going to play nice, why should we?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They're not about to play nice, but in their case they can't.
EnergizedLib
(1,889 posts)But look where that gets us. We play nice, they play dirty, they win.
Bullies dont understand playing nice. They understand people taking a stand against them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Conformity is one of their important values, and it's a big, disrupting shock when they find massive disapproval instead. That's another reason it's important that they not be able to see themselves in others.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Me either