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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"I didn't leave MAGA. MAGA left me."
It's great that people are starting to look at the state of our politics and get cold feet. What are we doing here? It doesn't have to be so much about political violence as mere chaos. We thought the pandemic broke a lot of things and made things stop working? Imagine the chaos if the monkeys who are fiddling around with the controls of our democracy screw it up. People really need to look at everything they depend on to keep their lives running as smoothly as possible and ask, "If democracy collapsed, would that still be there?" Don't it always seem to go...
I love the way Biden framed the issue, isolating the "MAGA Republicans." There was a lot of carping about it. On the right, the MAGA Republican priesthood shuddered and called for the entire Republican voter population to circle its wagons around MAGA. On the left, the usual few noisemakers obliged and cried, "All Republicans are MAGA Republicans." It was a spectacle.
"My Gosh," lied the MAGA priesthood. "Biden just said half the country is a threat to democracy!"
Well, no. Biden drove a wedge by creating two categories for Republicans to sort themselves into: 1) The democracy wrecking "MAGA Republican extremists" and, 2) "Mainstream Republicans who want to keep democracy." It's exactly what the democracy doctor ordered.
If I think of myself as a Republican who wants to keep democracy, who doesn't like the idea of chaos, who just wants to go to barbecues and play golf, who likes paychecks and retirement checks coming in on schedule, who thinks the clowns talking about civil war and breaching the Capitol in buffalo headdress have had their fifteen minutes, then I'm "mainstream." Even if I wore a red MAGA cap to a few little league baseball games and people thought I was a jerk, I'm mainstream now. I made my point, but I'm done. I'm putting away my cap. I didn't leave MAGA; MAGA left me.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,583 posts)Xoan
(25,319 posts)There were like 10 'mainstream ' Republicans in Congress.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to the big donors and their rhetoric to the GOP's debased primary voters.
A huge problem just maybe these nationwide elections will start fixing.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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... as a practical necessity, President Biden has to keep an escape route open for Republicans who insist upon stubbornly clinging to the GOP.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)SO not EVERYTHING MAGA is horrible, but racism, violence, rigging elections, encouraging overthrow of the government when you don't like an election result, using a government position to eradicate those who disagree with you.... these things are ANTI AMERICAN and DON'T Make America Great AT ALL.
But mainstream Republicans are faith based and honorable people in my experience. (Family I admire and love.)
They can be led astray only by very complex lies over time.
AND like Liz Cheney and yourself, there is a clear line drawn when they see they have been deceived and betrayed.
My hope is that more people like yourself will find a way back to the mainstream Republican ideals and bring more and more people with you in a way that revives the actual party to something that can be proud of itself again someday.
albacore
(2,398 posts)Repubs approve of trump, his policies, and his presidency around 80%.
That lonely 20% has one tiny drop of sympathy from me.
For the rest: Fuck 'em!
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)I know that's not directly linked to overall approval, but it calls into question that 80% value.
albacore
(2,398 posts)Approval of trump is my main problem.
The vast majority of the Repubs consistently approve of him and his policies.
That's why they are dead to me.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)So, I'm done with this conversation.
peppertree
(21,624 posts)The best proof of that is that in the 2020 primaries, four non-MAGAT Republicans ran - two of them, very conservative.
But Needy Amin still got 94% of the GOP primary vote.
Yes, he was a sitting president - but 94% is about as unanimous as you can get.
I doubt 94% of Repugs can agree today's Sunday!
Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)with the same evil purposes but better political/social skills, like DeSatan and Abbott.
Careful what we wish for.
The good news is, AFAIK the repub party has been shrinking for years in overall numbers. The good guys still outnumber them at the polls.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)MAGA is sooo unAmerican. Real Christians will deplore it as being contrary to Jesus' teachings about Do Unto Others, Blessed Are the Peacemakers, Turn the Other Cheek, and the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Speaking MAGA lies and threats will become as embarrassing and declassei' as saying the N-word. People will deny that they ever went there.
Maybe a few of us real Americans can help show a few MAGA relatives and neighbors what it is to be a real American. By being nice to them, maybe doing a good deed for them once in a while. Letting their MAGA bullshit whiz past us, go out the door, and down the street without angrily responding back. Lead by example.
"Some say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
--- John Lennon
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and its majority of people who are discovering they need to protect their democracy and with it their jobs and Social Security.
Most progressive groups approve of Biden's call for the people to unite to defeat the MAGAs.
Any who choose to continue the rhetoric of 2016 to now instead, claiming it'll lead to their revolution, should be examined very carefully. Progressivism requires functioning liberal government. Kleptocracy, fascism, and the scorched earth of civil war and revolution would all erase what we inherited and put an end to what we would have done.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)"People really need to look at everything they depend on to keep their lives running as smoothly as possible and ask, "If democracy collapsed, would that still be there?"
Let's think about that for a minute,
First, property rights would collapse. Maga rioters will definitely keep the spoils for themselves, just as they learned from that big fat lying buffoon named trump.
Second, our infrastructure that is responsible for clean drinking water, safe food, Social Security and Medicare VA benefits, safe roads and bridges, SEC which "tries" to oversee the stock market, the CDC, the military, the national guard, parks and recreation, wildlife reclamation, just to name a few, and not to mention the myriad of government services and laws that allow most of us to sleep at night without worrying if we will live to see the next day.
Ask your Magat asshole acquaintances, families and friends if they are ready to give all that up. If they are, they can vote for the jerkwad republican running in their districts. And if they say none of that won't happen, let them know that they are stupidly fooling themselves.
End rant.
CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)I've been telling folks that if they don't like democracy & the rule of law they should pack up their stuff & get out of America. Leave. Move to a country that doesn't have democracy or the rule of law. I'll help them pack.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)and as far as the fat-butt militia types shooting rifles in the woods, if they really want to fight for something head on over to Ukraine and fight a true enemy, namely Putin.
czarjak
(11,266 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)...because they're not all Republicans.
In that regard I think Biden's "MAGA Republicans" is a bit of an oversimplification but I can see exactly why he would use a phrase like that for messaging purposes, for several reasons, all of them good reasons. It's perfect for the message he was trying to convey & the goals he wanted to accomplish with his message.
To reinforce his message I can say "the Radical Right, including MAGA Republicans."
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)Joe has created another categoryRepublicans and MAGA Republicans.
There is no turning back for the GOP, THEY GAVE BIRTH TO MAGA!
Now, they must live with it for the entire lifetime of the Republican Party, not unlike a fetus in the womb with an incurable deformity.
The GOP shouldve aborted MAGA but now theyve birthed a Charles Manson or Hitler.
And normal Republicans will abandon MAGA as quickly as TFG threw everyone under the bus before them. They arent suddenly moral, they just dont want to be thrown under the bus too.
calimary
(81,211 posts)He THRIVES when everybody around him is fighting with each other and their being thus distracted means the way is clear to pull off any monkey business you want. If theyre all busy fighting, theyve forgotten about watching or keeping track of what hes up to, or trying to be up to.
oldsoftie
(12,530 posts)Sure, most voted GOP in the first vote, but when the second choice was factored in 29% who voted for Begitch picked the Dem. They wanted a republican but NOT Palin/trump