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Nevilledog

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Sun Sep 4, 2022, 09:03 PM Sep 2022

David Frum: Biden Laid the Trap. Trump Walked Into It.



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In addition to his loftier aims, “Biden came to Philadelphia to deliver a wound to Trump’s boundless yet fragile ego. Trump obliged with a monstrously self-involved meltdown 48 hours later. And now his party has nowhere to hide.” Bazinga!

theatlantic.com
Biden Laid the Trap. Trump Walked Into It.
At his Pennsylvania rally, the former president gave exactly the narcissistic display his Democratic nemesis tried to provoke.
5:57 PM · Sep 4, 2022


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/trump-pennsylvania-rally-republicans/671344/

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https://archive.ph/vYs9R

In 2016, Hillary Clinton warned that Donald Trump was a fool who could be baited with a tweet.
This past Thursday night, in Philadelphia, Joe Biden upped the ante by asking, in effect: What idiot thing might the former president do if baited with a whole speech? On Saturday night, the world got its answer.

For the 2022 election cycle, smart Republicans had a clear and simple plan: Don’t let the election be about Trump. Make it about gas prices, or crime, or the border, or race, or sex education, or anything—anything but Trump. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016. He lost control of the House in 2018. He lost the presidency in 2020. He lost both Senate seats in Georgia in 2021. Republicans had good reason to dread the havoc he’d create if he joined the fight in 2022.

So they pleaded with Trump to keep out of the 2022 race. A Republican lawmaker in a close contest told CNN on August 19, “I don’t say his name, ever.”

Maybe the pleas were always doomed to fail. Show Trump a spotlight, and he’s going to step into it. But Republicans pinned their hopes on the chance that Trump might muster some self-discipline this one time, some regard for the interests and wishes of his partners and allies.

One of the purposes of Biden’s Philadelphia attack on Trump’s faction within the Republican Party was surely to goad Trump. It worked.

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David Frum: Biden Laid the Trap. Trump Walked Into It. (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
Ain't that the truth. Trump bit and....whoa, Biden was right. The guy is nutzo. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2022 #1
I remember Hillary said Trump could be "baited with a Tweet. " It takes less than that for MAGAs. Samrob Sep 2022 #52
GO DARK BRANDON!! PortTack Sep 2022 #2
Excellent Read from Frum - Thanks for Posting. Indykatie Sep 2022 #3
Cheeto will be huffing and puffing - until he blows the GOP house down peppertree Sep 2022 #4
The one saving grace of having tfg jump so hard into the newscycle this close crickets Sep 2022 #5
And there are more court stories relating to Trump coming up Jarqui Sep 2022 #20
What an excellent Vanity Fair article, steventh Sep 2022 #29
I am looking forward to those stories! crickets Sep 2022 #40
ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and Fox should lose millions for not carrying Biden's speech Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #6
at least they didn't carry trump's speech. orleans Sep 2022 #13
oops! Forgot to link to Pres Joe's speech ... Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #15
So far, but how much longer will they be able to resist covering Trump's insane ramblings? sop Sep 2022 #46
"Bait with a tweet"... rubbersole Sep 2022 #7
Joe is one smart cookie. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2022 #8
Biden's speech is one for the ages. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #9
Yes he did! agingdem Sep 2022 #19
Obama humiliated tfg at that dinner, and tfg nurtured a grudge that damaged our democracy. housecat Sep 2022 #10
Joe Biden 'baited' TFG by telling telling the truth. speak easy Sep 2022 #11
Tune in for new brand new episodes on Season of Shame! Ponietz Sep 2022 #12
That's what I was thinking... 2naSalit Sep 2022 #14
Recced for Tribe's use of "Bazinga!" Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #16
Sheldon fan. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #44
nowhere to hide. that's the key. mopinko Sep 2022 #17
Trump is the Pavlov's dog of American politics. dalton99a Sep 2022 #18
I read this expression this week. True Blue American Sep 2022 #27
KnR Hekate Sep 2022 #21
K&R BlueJac Sep 2022 #22
Basically, trump is a mentally disturbed child and must be treated as such. mwb970 Sep 2022 #23
During the Trump tirade in Pa. He actually said True Blue American Sep 2022 #26
OK, this is where they went wrong... MissMillie Sep 2022 #24
Nailed It! ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #25
Lol, all the lackies could do was HOPE. Hortensis Sep 2022 #35
There is a first time for everything Norbert Sep 2022 #34
I Noticed This Too, RobinA Sep 2022 #62
I do wonder if Biden is getting psych advice from the FBI on how to handle Trump. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #28
Perhaps Mary Trump gave him a call as well Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #31
Biden should have Mary Trump, Michael Cohen, and FBI Quantico psych profilers on speed dial. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #32
$14 billion-dollar presidential campaigns have their own psych experts. Hortensis Sep 2022 #36
Yes but FBI Quantico knows how to deal with serial killers and ruthless sociopaths. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #37
Lol, today's Republican watering holes are crowded shoulder to shoulder Hortensis Sep 2022 #39
McConnell is one of the most ruthless, diabolical and dangerous men in D.C. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #43
Agree completely about McConnell and the GOP, except that Hortensis Sep 2022 #45
McConnell is one of the most powerful men in the world. He is quite insulated from the law. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #50
He sure is all of that. I guess we got another break, of sorts!, in that he's Hortensis Sep 2022 #53
To some extent, yes I agree. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #54
Oh, basically agree. I just suspect McConnell has avoided Hortensis Sep 2022 #55
The best sociopaths don't break the law, they make it. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #56
:) Well, McConnell is a LEGISLATIVE leader. There is that. Hortensis Sep 2022 #57
Make no mistake, Mitch is working behind the scenes and retains a huge amount of power. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #58
Although we agree on most, I think you're overestimating McConnell's Hortensis Sep 2022 #60
Trump is such a transparent simpleton, anybody can figure out how to manipulate him. n/t NH Ethylene Sep 2022 #47
He's not as stupid as he looks. He has committed the crimes of the century and getting away with it. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #51
would not need the FBI to do that Skittles Sep 2022 #49
it also shows that Pres Biden has competent and savvy advisors. RicROC Sep 2022 #30
And now they want everybody to shut up about it. live love laugh Sep 2022 #33
K&R Thanks for posting. n/t TeamProg Sep 2022 #38
What really scares me is what other traps are out there, not put there by democratic forces, but ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2022 #41
The truth shall set you free. (First, it will piss you off) czarjak Sep 2022 #42
PA candidates cannot separate themselves from crazy Trump FossFafy Sep 2022 #48
Please tell me the Party isn't pinning their hopes Baggies Sep 2022 #59
Joe Biden knows precisely how to deal with people like Donald J Trump. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #61

OAITW r.2.0

(24,286 posts)
1. Ain't that the truth. Trump bit and....whoa, Biden was right. The guy is nutzo.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 09:09 PM
Sep 2022

Hope he runs in 2024. Should implode this "party" for good.

peppertree

(21,595 posts)
4. Cheeto will be huffing and puffing - until he blows the GOP house down
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 09:37 PM
Sep 2022

McConnell and Scalise always did remind me of pigs.

crickets

(25,951 posts)
5. The one saving grace of having tfg jump so hard into the newscycle this close
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 09:57 PM
Sep 2022

to the midterms is that it hangs him around the neck of every Republican candidate whether they like it or not.

Good.

steventh

(2,143 posts)
29. What an excellent Vanity Fair article,
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:16 AM
Sep 2022

"The Complete Guide to All the Ways Donald Trump Is Legally Screwed." It was a good reminder about some of the actions that don't tend to make headlines often. There was one that I didn't remember at all, a class action by anonymous plaintiffs.

So thanks for posting the link.

crickets

(25,951 posts)
40. I am looking forward to those stories!
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:41 PM
Sep 2022

That's an impressive list of lawsuits. I'd forgotten one and didn't even know about a couple of them. Great article - thanks for the link.

No paywall: https://archive.ph/KstsP

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,239 posts)
6. ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and Fox should lose millions for not carrying Biden's speech
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 10:04 PM
Sep 2022

Many people still rely on broadcast tv for news. These networks failed to interrupt their re-runs to carry the speech live.

orleans

(34,040 posts)
13. at least they didn't carry trump's speech.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 11:18 PM
Sep 2022

don't get me wrong; i am still royally pissed off they didn't cover biden's

sop

(10,090 posts)
46. So far, but how much longer will they be able to resist covering Trump's insane ramblings?
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 02:58 PM
Sep 2022

The closer he gets to being indicted, the greater the likelihood we'll have "Trump Breaking News!" interrupting regular programming every time he says or does something outrageous.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,699 posts)
8. Joe is one smart cookie.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 10:11 PM
Sep 2022

Phrase taken when I was a kid...

Nor is Joe Biden to be underestimated. He sure can throw an uppercut as well as a left hook.

agingdem

(7,804 posts)
19. Yes he did!
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:38 AM
Sep 2022

Mitch wants toxic Trump far far away from the midterms and Biden knows this...his speech was a punch to Trump's megalomaniacal ego..Joe needed Trump's imbecilic endorsees to "disappear"...the midterm election has to be a referendum on Trump and only Trump..Biden and his advisors have correctly gauged Trump's zombie faithful are shrinking..and the public is done with Trump's chaos, insults, threats of violence, his forever victimhood, blathering lies...well done Joe

housecat

(3,121 posts)
10. Obama humiliated tfg at that dinner, and tfg nurtured a grudge that damaged our democracy.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 10:46 PM
Sep 2022

Biden played this well, and it may be at just the right time. If Biden keeps it up, tfg and his zombies just
might hand Democrats the midterms.

speak easy

(9,176 posts)
11. Joe Biden 'baited' TFG by telling telling the truth.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 10:58 PM
Sep 2022

You have to be some kinda narcissist/sociopath/moron to respond by blasting Philadelphia at a rally for the PA Senate candidate.

mopinko

(69,982 posts)
17. nowhere to hide. that's the key.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:13 AM
Sep 2022

i've been feeling lately that their tissue of lies is just transparent. this much come next.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
26. During the Trump tirade in Pa. He actually said
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 06:59 AM
Sep 2022

Zuckerberg had visited him in he WH last week. Handlers aetrying keep Trump out of sight. He believes he is still in the WH!

This was on the Palmer report this morning. He watches so I do not have to!

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
24. OK, this is where they went wrong...
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 06:22 AM
Sep 2022

Maybe the pleas were always doomed to fail. Show Trump a spotlight, and he’s going to step into it. But Republicans pinned their hopes on the chance that Trump might muster some self-discipline this one time, some regard for the interests and wishes of his partners and allies.



ProfessorGAC

(64,827 posts)
25. Nailed It!
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 06:27 AM
Sep 2022

Self-discipline? Regard for others? They hoped for that???
Good luck with that fairy tale wish fellas!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Lol, all the lackies could do was HOPE.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:19 AM
Sep 2022

Here's another good one from an Insider headline:

Lindsey Graham: Trump will lose 2024 if he doesn't fix his personality

Norbert

(6,038 posts)
34. There is a first time for everything
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:18 AM
Sep 2022

But the orange magat exercising self-discipline and regard for others? Hasn't happened in 76 years, not gonna happen now or ever.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
62. I Noticed This Too,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 12:54 PM
Sep 2022

and it is a jawdropper. They've been down that road so many times before - when he ran, when he became the candidate, when he "won," when he was inaugurated... There is zero chance Trump is going to suddenly straighten up and fly right. Personality disorders don't work like that.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
28. I do wonder if Biden is getting psych advice from the FBI on how to handle Trump.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 08:36 AM
Sep 2022

How to make Trump melt down and act out more and more in public.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
31. Perhaps Mary Trump gave him a call as well
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:34 AM
Sep 2022

She seems to understand Donald in ways that no one else could.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
32. Biden should have Mary Trump, Michael Cohen, and FBI Quantico psych profilers on speed dial.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 10:47 AM
Sep 2022

They should be able to predict Trump's every move and how to bring him down.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Lol, today's Republican watering holes are crowded shoulder to shoulder
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:25 PM
Sep 2022

with ruthless sociopaths and conscienceless psychopaths, social dominators and double highs. Seriously. The Republican Party's become so corrupt and accessible (as decent leaders backed away/were purged) that it draws them like flies to carrion.

Political operatives can't function without understanding their opponents. Anyway, I'm sure they all obtain the same studies looking for insights, except for those they routinely commission for themselves only.

It'd be really fun to read reports on...McConnell for one. I've read a couple of biographies and feel sure he's diagnosable. He's famous among his own colleagues for knowing so little about issues that come before the senate that he can't hold up his end of a conversation. (!!!) Not that he wastes his time that way anyway. Power, growing and applying it, are what interest him.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you couldn't have imagined it was possible.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
43. McConnell is one of the most ruthless, diabolical and dangerous men in D.C.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:19 PM
Sep 2022

He is all about power and will do anything to hang onto his power base.

Yes the GOP is not a political party, it is a crime syndicate.

In recent years their crimes are becoming more heinous and public.
That is why I think it is time for the FBI profilers to become involved.
Or their ilk.

The political campaign psychology consultants are not quite up to speed on
dealing with politicians who are identical to those on the FBI most wanted list.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Agree completely about McConnell and the GOP, except that
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 02:32 PM
Sep 2022

I suspect they're far, far, far more insulated from criminal prosecution than regular criminals, exempted by their role in government and lack of laws defining harmful and/or unethical work actions as criminal. And then, of course, it's an ongoing lesson in power, only a portion of which is in official government hands as delegated by the electorate.

McConnell notably has been careful to maintain separation from political "crimes," but I've really been hoping he dropped the ball during the tRump era so we can get him. No one ever mentions the possibility of him being subpoenaed or even interviewed by investigators, though.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
50. McConnell is one of the most powerful men in the world. He is quite insulated from the law.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 06:14 AM
Sep 2022

The law protects him, not binds him.

Of course there is no talk about him being charged with anything.
He is ruthless, clever and much smarter than Trump.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. He sure is all of that. I guess we got another break, of sorts!, in that he's
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:38 AM
Sep 2022

personally...whatever he is, power-loving but a turtle with serious limitations, not a Putin with giant ambitions.

Fwiw, , my impression is that McConnell's also always been careful to stay personally within the letter of laws that could bite them. He and others have been plotting a RW takeover through electoral and judicial means for a lot longer than tRump's been on the scene, and caution suggests they've always intended to remain safe and powerful no matter what.

Things got crazy once the base cut loose and created their own wannabe dictator, but they've mostly been able to work with it, letting those who threw in with tRump stick their necks out. Especially now.

Anyway, that's my best guess, until thrilling news were to come that McConnell slipped and did something he could be nailed for. Basically lawful as far as we know, though, and that would mean we can't put him and his cabal in jail. We might help those in public life leave and die in the disgrace they so deserve, though.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
54. To some extent, yes I agree.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:55 AM
Sep 2022

McConnell is very careful yes. He always stacks the deck in his favor.

But he is still very corrupt, his wife's financial dealings with China have enriched McConnell and not always legal
or ethical.

McConnell knows he is protected. I cannot think of anyone who would go after him.

Biden's speech about how great real R's are, was a bit of a stretch.
But he was making a point about how bad MAGAs are.

Trump would have been protected by McConnell if Trump had not broken the rules.
Don't cost the GOP money or votes. Or hurt GOP optics.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. Oh, basically agree. I just suspect McConnell has avoided
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:06 AM
Sep 2022

breaking the law himself, and those like him, because that could be dangerous to them. The protections of power available to the powerful are not absolute under our current system. And, above all, breaking the law is unnecessary because they have other, well proven, legal means for getting the people to destroy our democracy for them.

But in any case, these are not exactly the kind of revolutionaries who rush the machine guns guarding the palace, or even get their clothes mussed. They're too old and "entitled" to risk their privileges.

I think Biden is reminding conservatives unhappy with what MAGAs are doing of who they've always believed themselves to be and need to be. We do that with children, tell them they're good so they'll see themselves that way. Using grown-up definitions of good.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
56. The best sociopaths don't break the law, they make it.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:32 AM
Sep 2022

Probably a combination of the points we are discussing.

Mitch is very careful about the laws he breaks, and also knows that there is no one who will go after him.
As long as he is not egregious.

In D.C. the culture is that high level officials who commit crimes are generally covered up and protected.
Unless for some reason they piss of the powers that be and then they are thrown under the bus.

I do think that if Trump had gone quietly into the night, raised money for the GOP, helped people get elected
or just shut the hell up, McConnell may have covered for him. Secret documents and all. Just had the FBI quietly
pick up the docs and that would be the end of it. US presidents almost always have their crimes hidden and protected.

But Trump made McConnell very angry and so Trump was thrown under the bus.

Maybe Biden was trying to show the public he did not paint all R's as bad, and that R voters are not a threat to democracy. He was being politic and also appealing like you say to their higher angels if they have any that is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
57. :) Well, McConnell is a LEGISLATIVE leader. There is that.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:22 AM
Sep 2022

McConnell still needs tRump's voters to come out big and hopeful for Pub candidates, but he'd have huge difficulty covering for tRump even if he didn't need to protect him since tRump lost the WH and control of both houses of congress. Speaking of McC being angry!

So I don't think tRump behaving could change that because McConnell just doesn't have the power to stop us, and I really do not think he controls the DoJ or FBI during a Democratic administration. His hopes hinge on the midterms shifting congressional power back to him in January, but Biden would still be chief executive in charge of DoJ/FBI and various federal other investigative functions, including the OIG.



I've been seeing what's happening among the Pubs as basically competing far-right authoritarian takeovers -- fascistic white nationalist populist and big business/establishment. They have to work together to defeat the Democrats/existing government, but afterward they would battle each other. Their big power blocs would ultimately support whichever won, including their wannabe pluto/kleptocrats and the *religious right,* which in itself includes most of the MAGAs and white supremacists, a fair number of extremist billionaires, and a killer majority on SCOTUS...!

Whatever the reality is, we live in interesting times.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
58. Make no mistake, Mitch is working behind the scenes and retains a huge amount of power.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:39 AM
Sep 2022

Not much happens in DC without the major power brokers signing off.
By the time things hit the popular press, it is all a done deal.
We just see the kabuki theater version of events.

McConnell obviously let J6 committee proceed with no interference from him.
He got McCarthy to pull his flying monkeys, Jordan and Gaetz, from the committee.
He got Cruz and Hawley to tone it down.

The J6 committee was a GOP affair, Liz Cheney, witnesses, etc.

Mitch could have made the J6 hearings look like a three ring circus, but he didn't.

Yes that is what I mean, if Trump had supported Mitch and the GOP, helped raise money and
get R's elected, not tarnished the R brand, etc., Mitch would have covered for him.
Like the GOP has covered for all the R presidents in the past.

Mitch of course can control other branches of government.
He does so by threats, persuasion, etc.

Obama wanted to raise the alarm that Russia was helping install Trump into office and McConnell threatened him.
Obama had no choice but to back down or blow the election.

When McConnell lost the senate races in GA, mysteriously two Dem senators because his best friends.
That was McConnell's plan b in action.

McConnell's fingerprints are everywhere.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. Although we agree on most, I think you're overestimating McConnell's
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 11:50 AM
Sep 2022

occult, behind-the-scenes powers and seriously underestimating both the powers and differences in principles and goals of Democrats.

The Republicans own their massive corruption. Today's RW extremists and corrupt subversives in government have extremely (!) different goals from the overall strongly liberal Democratic caucuses.

Take a look at THIS:


This group studies the performance of political parties around the globe. The Republican Party has taken a steep dive into authoritarianism, similar, while the Republicans controlled DC, to Hungary's dictator-headed RW party. Viktor Orban is still very popular among MAGAs.

The Democratic Party graphs over the past century as the same steady horizontal blue line that represents all the blessings of progressive, liberal government that Democratic/democratic government has created. See how far apart the lines are? And how we haven't changed with them? That extremely slight dip on the right of the blue line represents increased effect on our party of a LW authoritarian-leaning populist movement @2016, but very minor -- it lost and our normal, steady-blue-line progressive liberalism continues as before, then and since.)

Altogether something I'm very proud of and able to reassured by in these scary times.

Irish_Dem

(46,430 posts)
51. He's not as stupid as he looks. He has committed the crimes of the century and getting away with it.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 06:17 AM
Sep 2022

That is not a stupid man.

But yes I agree, most can see how to trigger him.
With his ego, his need for attention and admiration, he is an easy target.

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
49. would not need the FBI to do that
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 08:12 PM
Sep 2022

any competent psychiatrist would know how to push the buttons of a malignant narcissist

SWBTATTReg

(22,059 posts)
41. What really scares me is what other traps are out there, not put there by democratic forces, but ...
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:55 PM
Sep 2022

instead, nefarious and dark forces, such as Russian and/or Chinese entities. There are forces out there still watching us closely to see if they can derive any benefits from a continued American obsession w/ itself until things get worked out under a Biden administration (which they are but tRUMP still screams and yells pathetically from the sidelines when he can).

tRUMP is on his way out as we can see, IMHO.

Already and I suspect (there is one or more polls out there already confirming this thought) that tRUMP's antics are wearing thin, the hatred and other routine siren calls uttered by tRUMP and the like are falling upon fewer and fewer ears, and people are sick and tired of it.

.

Baggies

(503 posts)
59. Please tell me the Party isn't pinning their hopes
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:47 AM
Sep 2022

Please tell me the Party isn’t pinning their hopes on the anti-Trump vote. I see moves to try and highlight some positives, however inflation, food and gas prices, the border, and rising interest rates dominate the concerns of the people.

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