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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLot of concern here for a network, CNN, that relatively few watch
There are over 250 million adults in this country and less then a million of them are watching CNN.
Does it really matter what direction CNN's reporting goes? It is this just the newest and coolest crisis? There's something going on over at that network that has a very small percentage of a very small percentage of the adults in this country that watch the network in a tither.
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)We ignore it, or any part of it, at our peril.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)One can be aware they have cancer but if that person doesn't take aggressive action in dealing with it, just being aware will do no good.
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)...have mostly each been doing their small part by withdrawing their viewership and encouraging others to do the same, in the hopes of reducing revenue for the new right-leaning CNN. Some are writing to CNN management about it, and encouraging others to do the same. Surely what they are doing is better than ignoring the problem, as you've advocated.
As for me, personally, I'm ahead of the game. I never watch the channel to begin with.
If you wish to use cancer as an analogy, then you must surely understand that public awareness about cancer is a very important tool in the battle against the disease. Who would argue against noting and warning of a new trend in the incidence of cancer?
Right-wing media have had great success with their stealth approach, taking on the mantle and aura of objective journalism while either subtly or overtly pushing propaganda. They've now gained CNN, a source which viewers have long considered accurate and reliable. If the change is kept on the down-low, viewers might scarcely notice themselves being influenced by the new rightward stance. The people who are alarmed about it are doing the right thing by calling attention to it.
And now, I turn the question back to you. What are you actually doing about it? Just advising DU'ers to ignore it?
hlthe2b
(102,234 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)The percentage of adults who watch CNN is in the very low single digits. Somewhere around 1%. What we have here is a very tiny percentage of people all upset about how a little watched cable news network reports the news.
And a few DUers trying to convince the few other DUers who watch CNN to stop watching that network will accomplish what? It's like preaching to the choir. Most of us already know, and have known for a very long time, that MSM, especially cable news, is a for profit business and it's only purpose is to generate revenue for it's owners and investors. I concede that there are a few here who may not have figured that out yet.
Some members have tried to convince others to stop using Facebook but their I'd no evidence I'm aware of that suggests their campaigns have had any effect on Facebook membership. I think the same will happen with CNN.
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)Frankly, I'm appalled by the callous nihilism expressed in the OP and in your replies to others on this thread. They've thoughtfully and thoroughly answered the questions you pose here. There's nothing more for me to add.
Rob H.
(5,351 posts)Wait, I thought that only applied to forgiving student loan debt. But, yeah, its tiresome either way.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)patricia92243
(12,595 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts).
It doesn't matter the viewership. It's how their coverage is used in other articles and video clips.
Since most of FOX was bullshit, they were always being cited as mart of that both sides fairness press reporting.
So, it's not the viewership that's the issue, it's the tentacles their channel spreads throughout the world.
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mucifer
(23,536 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)And that's assuming that all of CNNs viewers will be turned into Magahats.
PortTack
(32,757 posts)RW BS and bury any accomplishments President Biden or the Dems have.
Fascist countries take over the airwaves, and this guy no doubt has a fascist bend. We all scoffed at fux decades ago as crazy and didnt give it much thought
look at where that got us! A couple of years ago it was Sinclair buying out local stations to control the narrative, now cnn. Ppl are rightly upset for these reasons.
BoycottCNN
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)PortTack
(32,757 posts)To please boycott. If I find a list of advertisers I will boycott them as well.
And help checkmyads.org do what they do best. If you havent heard of the two women that successfully took on brietbart and now are chipping away at fux
please take a look at their work.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)While Sleeping Giants may have cost Breibart advertisers, TFGs firing of Bannon followed by Brietbarts disassociation of Bannon appears to be the cause of Brietbarts decline in viewership.
Brietbarts reporting hadn't changed. It's still a diehard TFG supporter.
tirebiter
(2,536 posts)Merely by having a couple reporters on sight and putting a camera in the window and letting it roll. Tiannamen Square. Kosovo, etc. I would be jazzed if they had similar situations in various places in Ukraine without giving up security. Or maybe Washington DC on Jan. 6, 2020
RockRaven
(14,962 posts)especially as the source/foundational material for posts made and spread by others has a far longer reach. Half of American adults "sometimes" or "often" get their news from social media, with Facebook being the biggest player. One can hardly spend any time on social media without encountering, often second-hand, the major networks/cable news/WaPo/NYT. Their editorial decisions certainly can have noxious effects on our society, and that will likely be true for CNN's current and future adjustments (making an already toxic entity, IMO, worse).
That said, the solution isn't to hate-watch or reply-post. Just disengage. Don't ever give them another page view or mention, even critical or debunking ones. It's the attention they want, so don't give it.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)PortTack
(32,757 posts)Elessar Zappa
(13,971 posts)They are giving more airtime to idiots but most of the hosts are still pretty good about calling out Republican lies.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Earth-shine
(3,996 posts)but not paying attention. I'm busy ... reading DU.
LittleGirl
(8,285 posts)I do care. Im very upset about CNN and its the one of the only networks my Swisscom cable provider supplies from the US. Thankfully Fox spews is a more expensive cable package we dont have along with PBS. Swisscom actually muted RT network when Russia invaded Ukraine. We have BBC, Skynews, CNBC, Bloomberg and Al Jazeera. We also have Euronews in multiple languages along with 700 other channels in multiple languages.
I remember when cable first came out
nobody wanted to pay for tv but CNN was actually worth the price back then. MTV in its infancy was the bomb too. Ill never forget Michael Jacksons Thriller video at the top of the hour every hour back then.
Earth-shine
(3,996 posts)I doubt that hosts like Don Lemmon or Anderson Cooper will suddenly lurch right.
CNN is an important alternative to MSNBC, which does not offer a lot of weekend and middle-of-the-night programming.
LittleGirl
(8,285 posts)And I tape his show on my DVR. I watch Don occasionally because they cover essentially the same topics. I cant get MSNBC unless I jump through a bunch of hoops with a VPN. Thank goodness, DU provides clips for me everyday so I dont feel Im missing anything.
Earth-shine
(3,996 posts)I stream MSNBC from here ...
https://livenewschat.eu/politics/
When that doesn't work, I use this link.
https://ustv247.tv/msnbclive/
LittleGirl
(8,285 posts)tavernier
(12,382 posts)But Lemon is another story. He cant be muffled and speaks his mind pretty loudly. Anderson is better skilled at nuance. I can see Lemon being asked to resign.
AverageOldGuy
(1,523 posts)If you must have words coming out of your mouth, and video dancing across your screen 24/7 I don't care how wise, smart, well-informed, and the like you are, it takes only a day or two before you run out of anything useful to say.
And that, folks, is the fundamental problem with them all -- CNN, MSNCBC, Fox, you name it.
On the other hand, when your day consists of a 30-minute or one hour news program, then, you must cut out the crap, drop the constant "breaking news," and deliver what really is important. Of course then we get into the problem of what is really important and who decides.
HAB911
(8,890 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)when people were talking about reliable sources getting cancelled I thought something like that would be good to do online . It can be something people can look up to find accurate info.
Not sure exactly how to do these things and promote it but I do think it's where we need to focus on growing .
Local News is another place we can work on.
GuppyGal
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Emile
(22,699 posts)does matter! We have enough right-wing propaganda channels and stations. The last thing we need is more of them!
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)Preaching to the choir rarely changes anything.
Xoan
(25,320 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Maybe they should stop watching it rather then continue to support it by watching it.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Or at least it is for me when I read the breathless threads about who is hosting today or who is on vacation and what so and so is wearing and saying on MSNBC or CNN. Its all so pitiful.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)along with what others are saying. Cherry picking a few segments is absurd. I've seen no such 'lurch to the right' yet and I'M WATCHING THIS GOD DAMN CHANNEL
People need to QUIT ....totally lose your credibility crying wolf like this
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Fox didn't create the audience. It tapped into it. Fox could go left and the audience will just move to another network like Newsmax.
ForgedCrank
(1,779 posts)other people, but to me, CNN was the original and it really would be a shame to see it fade away due to nothing more than poor management and bad content decisions.
In the beginning, it was an awesome thing to see 24 hour,news all news, all the time cable channel. I watched it a lot over the years. But then, not unlike MTV, they content slowly started shifting to more and more garbage. In the case of CNN, talking heads and opinion shows rather than news. I understand that some of that type of content is a necessary because some viewers want that, but CNN made it the core of what they do, and people just drifted away after getting tired of it.
I really would like to see them get back to being 90% real news and back off of the shows.
Its a tough business I imagine, there's only so many headlines you can repeat over and over and still keep viewers interested.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Lettuce Be
(2,336 posts)They seemed to have on far too many right-wing for my tastes, even back then. That's when I discovered MSNBC, and that's been my go-to ever since. So, not sorry to hear they have made the dumbest decision yet. Why they'd think just changing their programming or news slant would suddenly result in millions of new viewers but it's never going to happen.
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Torchlight
(3,330 posts)Good luck.
former9thward
(31,987 posts)Of cable, MSM, traditional networks, newspapers, etc. Of the 250 million what percentage watch or read any particular media?
scipan
(2,344 posts)They have pretty much been ignored.