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MSNBC reporting judge ruled in Trump's favor... details coming in (Original Post) allegorical oracle Sep 2022 OP
Shit. Make copies of everything. There will be stealing again. nt TigressDem Sep 2022 #1
It's no big deal for the DOJ FarPoint Sep 2022 #2
Yes, it's a side show. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #3
DOJ has grave national security concerns. Is the fat fuck going to be allowed to onecaliberal Sep 2022 #4
Both parties would have to agree on a neutral person. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #13
They will NEVER agree with ANYBODY the DOJ. chooses! (plain and simple) bluestarone Sep 2022 #24
So who pays the costs of the SM and any proceedings associated with it?? nt in2herbs Sep 2022 #28
From Rule 53: Ocelot II Sep 2022 #32
Thanks. My guess is that Cannon will impose (B) so that tfg can avoid costs, meaning that in2herbs Sep 2022 #34
Thanks. If rules were observed this "judge" wouldn't have gotten involved in a case she had onecaliberal Sep 2022 #29
That's for damn sure. TheBeam19 Sep 2022 #36
BINGO! FarPoint Sep 2022 #43
DOJ can't use the docs TheBeam19 Sep 2022 #22
But the crimes that were the basis of the search warrant weren't dependent Ocelot II Sep 2022 #33
They can't just tell a Grand Jury or TheBeam19 Sep 2022 #35
This is why he should just be taken into custody. It doesn't even matter what he took except that onecaliberal Sep 2022 #38
DOJ can't use any of the documents in a criminal investigation until the Special Master finishes. femmedem Sep 2022 #39
Thanks for the WaPo article. crickets Sep 2022 #46
Of Course The Judge Ruled In Tr**p's Favor..... global1 Sep 2022 #5
Yes and really had zero business taking this case. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #7
A Trump appointee and a member of The Federalist Society. Native Sep 2022 #8
Of course. spanone Sep 2022 #6
You mean the fucking judge that Moscow Mitch and Slobby appointed during a lame duck session? malaise Sep 2022 #9
Yes.... FarPoint Sep 2022 #44
Kinda pissed about this RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2022 #10
Details coming in, Trump wins again, cowards fear arresting Trump. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #11
Amazing how your thoughts have changed on this. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #14
Post removed Post removed Sep 2022 #18
Oh my, hit a nerve? BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #19
You are good. FarPoint Sep 2022 #45
Piss off. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #21
Dude, you can keep attacking me, but the fact is, many of us pointed this out for quite some time. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #25
Who are you calling a coward? BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #26
So the DOJ is to stop looking at the documents. What my question is, from a legal standpoint Chainfire Sep 2022 #12
DOJ has already looked at them, which is why this is just a side show. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #16
I think you missed my supposition that the documents, as of now, are in legal limbo until such Chainfire Sep 2022 #20
You're exactly right. TheBeam19 Sep 2022 #23
Yep. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #17
Well that's reassuring. At least when you buy a federal judge that motherfucker stays bought.. Comfortably_Numb Sep 2022 #15
OK so it's the United States of America 405 and Dotard Dump 1 .... GuppyGal Sep 2022 #27
Yet, strangely, he's still having rallies where he tells thousands of heavily armed crazy people to Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #41
The judge has made a name countingbluecars Sep 2022 #30
They'e Going To Have To Appeal Me. Sep 2022 #31
I don't know. This might be a "bigly" misfire for the wannabe king. Anyone who is Vinca Sep 2022 #37
She appoints the SM. She was appointed by Acosta. Acosta was Epstein's lackey. Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #40
It doesn't matter - whoever will have to have a security clearance. Vinca Sep 2022 #47
You sound as if you know whereof you speak, so your statement makes me feel better. Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #48
Anyone with a basic knowledge of the English language should be able to understand the Vinca Sep 2022 #49
Of course she did... Hugin Sep 2022 #42

Ocelot II

(115,609 posts)
3. Yes, it's a side show.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:14 PM
Sep 2022

There weren't going to be indictments before the midterms anyhow, and it won't change the eventual outcome. I wonder if DoJ will appeal, though?

onecaliberal

(32,784 posts)
4. DOJ has grave national security concerns. Is the fat fuck going to be allowed to
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:16 PM
Sep 2022

Pick his special master too?

Ocelot II

(115,609 posts)
13. Both parties would have to agree on a neutral person.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:24 PM
Sep 2022

Here's the rule on the appointment process: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_53

(a) Appointment.

(1) Scope. Unless a statute provides otherwise, a court may appoint a master only to:

(A) perform duties consented to by the parties;

(B) hold trial proceedings and make or recommend findings of fact on issues to be decided without a jury if appointment is warranted by:

(i) some exceptional condition; or

(ii) the need to perform an accounting or resolve a difficult computation of damages; or

(C) address pretrial and posttrial matters that cannot be effectively and timely addressed by an available district judge or magistrate judge of the district.

(2) Disqualification. A master must not have a relationship to the parties, attorneys, action, or court that would require disqualification of a judge under 28 U.S.C. §455, unless the parties, with the court's approval, consent to the appointment after the master discloses any potential grounds for disqualification.

(3) Possible Expense or Delay. In appointing a master, the court must consider the fairness of imposing the likely expenses on the parties and must protect against unreasonable expense or delay.

(b) Order Appointing a Master.

(1) Notice. Before appointing a master, the court must give the parties notice and an opportunity to be heard. Any party may suggest candidates for appointment.

(2) Contents. The appointing order must direct the master to proceed with all reasonable diligence and must state:

(A) the master's duties, including any investigation or enforcement duties, and any limits on the master's authority under Rule 53(c);

(B) the circumstances, if any, in which the master may communicate ex parte with the court or a party;

(C) the nature of the materials to be preserved and filed as the record of the master's activities;

(D) the time limits, method of filing the record, other procedures, and standards for reviewing the master's orders, findings, and recommendations; and

(E) the basis, terms, and procedure for fixing the master's compensation under Rule 53(g).

(3) Issuing. The court may issue the order only after:

(A) the master files an affidavit disclosing whether there is any ground for disqualification under 28 U.S.C. §455; and

(B) if a ground is disclosed, the parties, with the court's approval, waive the disqualification.

(4) Amending. The order may be amended at any time after notice to the parties and an opportunity to be heard.

bluestarone

(16,872 posts)
24. They will NEVER agree with ANYBODY the DOJ. chooses! (plain and simple)
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:38 PM
Sep 2022

STALL is their game. No time limit put out by this judge says it all! TFG will NEVER win this BUT it will stall this for i'm guessing months and Months.

Ocelot II

(115,609 posts)
32. From Rule 53:
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:52 PM
Sep 2022
(1) Fixing Compensation. Before or after judgment, the court must fix the master's compensation on the basis and terms stated in the appointing order, but the court may set a new basis and terms after giving notice and an opportunity to be heard.

(2) Payment. The compensation must be paid either:

(A) by a party or parties; or

(B) from a fund or subject matter of the action within the court's control.

(3) Allocating Payment. The court must allocate payment among the parties after considering the nature and amount of the controversy, the parties’ means, and the extent to which any party is more responsible than other parties for the reference to a master. An interim allocation may be amended to reflect a decision on the merits.

in2herbs

(2,944 posts)
34. Thanks. My guess is that Cannon will impose (B) so that tfg can avoid costs, meaning that
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:55 PM
Sep 2022

we will pay those costs.

If Garland doesn't act ASAP I hope GA will.

onecaliberal

(32,784 posts)
29. Thanks. If rules were observed this "judge" wouldn't have gotten involved in a case she had
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:45 PM
Sep 2022

No business hearing. And is most likely among the not qualified for the job.

FarPoint

(12,293 posts)
43. BINGO!
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 02:31 PM
Sep 2022

I also sense there will be more tRump homes/sites/ family members home being searched with discovery of MORE classified documents.

Ocelot II

(115,609 posts)
33. But the crimes that were the basis of the search warrant weren't dependent
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:54 PM
Sep 2022

on the contents of the documents - just the fact that they were taken. DOJ has already reviewed them so they know what's in them, and they aren't going to indict anybody before November anyhow. Let's see if DOJ appeals the order.

TheBeam19

(344 posts)
35. They can't just tell a Grand Jury or
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:59 PM
Sep 2022

a trial jury what they saw/found. Doesn’t work that way. In fact, that would be “using” the information anyway, so it would still violate the judge’s order.

But I agree — let’s see what DOJ does now.

Regardless, the Trump team’s plan of running out the clock will work, to some degree. Weeks? Months? Sometimes these things take years. This is a bad day for our side.

onecaliberal

(32,784 posts)
38. This is why he should just be taken into custody. It doesn't even matter what he took except that
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:09 PM
Sep 2022

He basically sold our biggest secrets to Putin and his ilk.

Just possessing them is a crime.

femmedem

(8,197 posts)
39. DOJ can't use any of the documents in a criminal investigation until the Special Master finishes.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:10 PM
Sep 2022

Nor can they continue to review the documents, according to WaPo.

"U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon wrote in her decision that the Justice Department cannot continue reviewing the materials seized by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8 or use them in its criminal investigation until the special master concludes his or her assessment. But she ruled that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would be allowed to continue its ongoing assessment of the possible risk to national security posed by the removal from government custody of classified documents, some of them related to highly sensitive government and intelligence secrets."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/05/trump-special-master-documents/

malaise

(268,717 posts)
9. You mean the fucking judge that Moscow Mitch and Slobby appointed during a lame duck session?
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:21 PM
Sep 2022

Fuck them all

Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #14)

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
21. Piss off.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:32 PM
Sep 2022

This is different. This is someone stealing the biggest secrets we have and they are debating a special master to look at nothing. This is obvious abuse by a judge to let Trump once again delay. Lets's see how Garland responds.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
25. Dude, you can keep attacking me, but the fact is, many of us pointed this out for quite some time.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:41 PM
Sep 2022

Instead of attacking people, maybe admit you might have been wrong.

Chainfire

(17,474 posts)
12. So the DOJ is to stop looking at the documents. What my question is, from a legal standpoint
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:23 PM
Sep 2022

This ruling, I presume prevents the DOJ from filing charges using the documents as evidence, until the SM is finished with his or her work. If that is the case, Trump will have been buried for years before this gets out of the SC.

It is just one more damn reason that the DOJ should have already indicted the asshole.

Chainfire

(17,474 posts)
20. I think you missed my supposition that the documents, as of now, are in legal limbo until such
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:31 PM
Sep 2022

a time that they have been litigated all the way through the SC. That should delay everything until Nov. 2024.....

Yea, the DOJ has seen them, it doesn't do a damn bit of good if they can't present them to a jury.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,796 posts)
15. Well that's reassuring. At least when you buy a federal judge that motherfucker stays bought..
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:25 PM
Sep 2022

And who said the ”justice” system is broken???

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
27. OK so it's the United States of America 405 and Dotard Dump 1 ....
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:43 PM
Sep 2022

The ship has spring a leak....go ahead and try to plug it dump...it's going down

Scrivener7

(50,918 posts)
41. Yet, strangely, he's still having rallies where he tells thousands of heavily armed crazy people to
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:45 PM
Sep 2022

overthrow the government.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
37. I don't know. This might be a "bigly" misfire for the wannabe king. Anyone who is
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:02 PM
Sep 2022

appointed "special master" will have to be a person with super duper security clearances and will, therefore, know the gravity of the situation at hand. In addition, if it took DOJ such a short period of time to go through the documents, it won't take a special master any longer. It might come to pass more documents than DOJ set aside are ordered to stay with DOJ than go back to Trump. Don the Con has many years left on any statute of limitations on this one. Trump has proven one thing though. Judge shopping works.

Scrivener7

(50,918 posts)
40. She appoints the SM. She was appointed by Acosta. Acosta was Epstein's lackey.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:43 PM
Sep 2022

Epstein is probably where some of the comparomat on tfg came from.

There are things going on behind the scenes. We'll never know about them. But we will certainly be puzzled and infuriated by their results.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
47. It doesn't matter - whoever will have to have a security clearance.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 03:45 PM
Sep 2022

This judge is a joke. A bad joke. She should at least grasp the basics of laws surrounding presidential records. If there's a horny love letter to Ivana in there from Don, fine . . . he can have it. If there's so much as a White House menu, that's ours.

Scrivener7

(50,918 posts)
48. You sound as if you know whereof you speak, so your statement makes me feel better.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 04:17 PM
Sep 2022

I come from family that owned a small NYC HVAC company through the 90s. I've been watching this guy forever and he never gets what is due him. For a minute there it looked like he might. But this news makes it feel like all the other times.

But I'm going to hold on to what you said and pin some hopes there. Thanks.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
49. Anyone with a basic knowledge of the English language should be able to understand the
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sep 2022

facts surrounding the documents. I haven't been within a mile of a law school . . . and apparently, the judge hasn't either. I've never understood how Trump has gotten away with so much. Everything from money laundering to rape. You should know about all that having been a resident of NYC.

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