Stop Trivializing What Judge Cannon Just Did,

[gab13by13]

Stop it.

She is looking into attorney-client privilege and she is looking into executive privilege.

She just put a stay on the FBI stopping them from investigating traitor Trump's stolen documents.

Even Neal Katyal says that DOJ needs to appeal her decision.

Trump is winning because his strategy is to delay everything.

[Kingofalldems]

1. Ahh, another Trump wins again post.

[getagrip_already]

4. you have a problem with true statements? n/t

[gab13by13]

7. That's exactly what it is, good catch.

The FBI has to stop investigating the stolen documents until the Special Master is finished with his/her work.

What is scary are comments that everything is just fine, have patience, just GOTV.

[old guy]

14. Well, he's getting everything he asks for so that's kinda what winning is.

[BlackSkimmer]

18. Casting aspersions on others doesn't change the truth.

Nice try, though.

[Walleye]

2. And they can't wait to investigate every little detail Bidens life.

Are they ready to set an executive privilege precedent on this?Especially considering it was Trump himself that made the crime a felony

[gab13by13]

10. I was just listening to Thom Hartmann

and this judge is looking at executive privilege. Maybe the SC will rule that Trump can keep the documents, who knows with this upside down country.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

16. Your first mistake.

[gab13by13]

20. I listen to him as much as possible

I wish we had cable news anchors like him. He doesn't have to read from a teleprompter.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

22. Sad to know it.

One conspiracy theory after another.

That Hartmann worked for the Russia State propaganda network for 7 years doesn't disturb you in the slightest?

[vanlassie]

28. That old saw gets old.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

31. "Old saw?"

Having worked for Putin's propaganda network is more relevant today than ever.

Accountability matters.

[Arazi]

37. +1 million

[unc70]

39. Reminder Thom Hartmann is a DUer

[elleng]

3. I'm sure you're right; I'm just getting into this,

and look forward to hearing what Neal Katyal has to say. I'll probably wait until newstime, and try to rest until then (as I have SO MUCH else to do! HAHAHA!)

[kelly1mm]

5. DOJ will most likely appeal. Which will delay the appointment of a Special Master

(and thus, the start of any review). The appeal will be heard by the intermediate court and whomever loses there will appeal to the USSC. All this will take time, lots of time ......

Another important part of the ruling is that the government cannot use the seized documents in any litigation until the review is complete.

If, as many surmise, the purpose of DJT asking for a special master was/is delay, then this is a huge win for him.

I think it is probable that he can use the legal system to delay the governments case from proceeding until the 2024 elections and given his age/health, he may not even make it that long.

[gab13by13]

11. Don't worry, Be Happy.

[getagrip_already]

15. what the doj would need is injuntive relief....

So they could use the documents in their investigations.

Otherwise they have to wait for the court to give an opinion. Even if the appeal stops a special master, the doj still couldn't proceed unless the appeals court lets them.

That is unlikely since it is a defacto judgement for the doj. It is irreversible.

[kelly1mm]

21. I agree with your analysis, i think it highly unlikely any court will allow DOJ to use

the seized documents until the issue of appointing the Special Master is decided (and then the actual review, if any)

[zuul]

6. Reminder: this is a discussion board.

People are free to state their opinions.

[gab13by13]

13. I am not going to apologize for speaking the truth.

[lpbk2713]

8. Okay.

...

[FossFafy]

9. They're waiting to see if maybe Trump becomes President again

Delay and delay, hoping it happens. We need to vote and keep this dictator from rising up again.

[getagrip_already]

12. keep in mind, the time it take for a federal court appeal.....

The appellant has 30 days to file, but the doj will probably do it much sooner. Then, the other side gets 30 days to respond; you know they will take it all.

Then it can take from months to 2 years for the court to issue its opinion. Probably closer to 6 months to 1 year in this case.

That would be heard by a 3 judge panel. Their decision can be appealed to the full court - again, agonizingly slow.

Then it can be appealed to scotus.

Any of the appeals courts can decline to hear the case, essentially agreeing with the lower court but not weighing in officially.

Even with expedited requests, this could drag out a loooong time. Remember the house still doesn't have access to tfg's taxes. And it has been 18 months.

[gab13by13]

17. Don't forget,

once a Special Master is finally appointed we still have to wait until he/she finishes going over the documents.

[getagrip_already]

19. just a guess, but the doj will request the special master be paused pending appeal....

If the special master proceeds, it opens a lot of issues for security and the ability to prosecute.

They may not, but if the appeal fails it won't matter since the master will likely shield everything anyway.

[CrispyQ]

29. The dem base will be completely demoralized by then.

One of the biggest breaches in national security, ever, & Trump will probably get re-elected, thanks to the media who care more about ratings than country, & to all the underhanded voter suppression laws at the state level. We just never seem able to hold the other side accountable, even as HRC testified for 11 hours.

[getagrip_already]

32. not sure one leads to the other.....

People are fired up over dobs, and all state managed federal programs are on the docket in october.

Plus, he is still looking guilty, even if the court shields him. The doj can easily strike from another direction if they are pissed enough.

[CrispyQ]

38. I was thinking more about 2024.

I agree that we're pretty fired up this election with Dobbs, & talk of banning contraception, & the banning of books. Even to people who don't read, banning books sounds bad.

[Demsrule86]

42. Trump will never win the presidency again. He doesn't have the votes.

There is too much dirt on him too.

[Demsrule86]

41. Well then the Democratic base should realize the seriuousness of this and get out and vote...

If the 'but her emails crowd' had voted for Hillary, we wouldn't be in this position. The only answer going forward is to vote and vote and vote.

[LenaBaby61]

23. Agree OP .....

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This stall tactic to slow down the DOJ by crooked, evil, racist, mentally ill, treasonous Fatso45 is not going to work ultimately. Nearing 80, Fatso's maniacal run in life has now run out.

My late Mom had a saying: "Baby, nothing lasts forever." The end is growing near for the fat man.

As for this WHOLLY unqualified, Federalist, tRump-appointed lady judge is concerned, she doesn't know it yet but she stepped in it trying to help her obese buddy tRump, and anytime you call yourself helping criminal, bad luck fatso you end up with your tit caught in a ringer literally.


I do wanna see who the Special Master will be?

[gab13by13]

26. There aren't that many people who would qualify to be SM.

[getagrip_already]

34. the judge will decide who is qualified....

Tina Peters is available.

It will be someone unknown to us but equally biased.

[gab13by13]

24. Donald Trump had classified documents for 18 months,

there are many more classified documents still missing, and a judge tells the FBI it has to stop investigating those documents when our foreign asset's lives may be in danger and I am attacked for posting this? No wonder Republicans get their way.

[brush]

25. A trump-appointed judge...is this putting a stop to...

the DOJ and the intel community investigating what trump did with all the national security docs that are missing?

Hope the DOJ appeals.

[gab13by13]

27. Yes, this judge put a stay on the FBI's investigation.

[getagrip_already]

35. which also means they can't present it to a grand jury.....

They are an investigatory body by definition.

[Brainfodder]

30. Making more of it then it is IMHO. The bully is not escaping this.

Besides, there are other entities looking into his other crimes?

I await them trying:
"Your honor, I was not aware that _______ was illegal", and that works how often in court?

[spanone]

33. CNN & MSNBC calling this a major win for trump....whether it is or not.

[getagrip_already]

36. it is if you believe...

That the doj can't move until the special master sorts the docs, or an appeals court rules in their favor, or tfg dies is a win for tfg.

There is no upside for the doj in this ruling. There is no downside for tfg

It sounds like they called it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. Here are Neal Katyal's comments on this horrible opinion

Link to tweet

This special master opinion is so bad it’s hard to know where to begin:
1. She says Biden hasn’t weighed in on whether docs protected by Exec Privilege. Nonsense. The archives letter (which DOJ submitted to the Judge) makes it clear current President thinks none of this ...
is privileged. Archivist says it is “not a close” question
2. Judge enjoins the entire investigation because some of the material might be subject to Executive Privilege. But Executive Priv isn’t some post-presidential privilege that allows Presidents to keep documents after ...
they leave office. At most, it simply means these are Executive documents that must be returned to the archives. It doesn’t in any way shape or form mean they can’t be used in a criminal prosecution about stolen docs...
3. She says the “reputational” harm to Trump justifies a special master. That’s insane–every crim deft has reputational harm. Are we now going to have special masters in every crim investigation?
4. She says the Special Master should screen materials for exec privilege, without ever once explaining what specific material is subject to exec priv, particularly when the incumbent President rejects the assertion. How is the Master supposed to figure that intricate Q out?
5. She says that because some tiny percentage of materials might be privileged, the entire investigation over all the materials has to stop. That’s a bazooka when one needs at most a scalpel.
6. She tries to enjoin the Exec Branch from using these materials in an investigation, but the govt has already reviewed all the materials. It makes no sense.
7. She says Trump suffers irreparable harm in interim, but the only harm she isolates is he won’t have the docs back during the investig. That’s not irreparable, he can get them back later &if they are improperly used to bring an indictment, he can move to dismiss the indictment
8. Her analysis of standing is terrible. Trump wouldn’t own these docs anyway, so why does he get a Master over them? If there is some marginal claim to some attorney client docs, that handful of material can be separately dealt with–you don’t enjoin the entire investig for that
9. Her jurisdictional analysis is similarly awful. She let Trump forum shop for a judge, instead of letting the magistrate judge evaluate these claims. The appearances here are tragic.

That’s just a few of many more problems. Frankly, any of my first year law students would have written a better opinion.
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