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Has the special master been named? (Original Post) brettdale Sep 2022 OP
No, there's a procedure for that. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #1
Yes. There's a procedure for declassifying documents too tavernier Sep 2022 #10
It's Troy down in accounting underpants Sep 2022 #2
I am figuring MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #3
OMG how could you think that's happened already? Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2022 #4
A month is only if the DOJ does not appeal, which most think they will. If they appeal the kelly1mm Sep 2022 #6
The down-side of appealing is that DOJ would probably win the appeal, which TFG Ocelot II Sep 2022 #8
Right I agree with your reasoning about why the DOJ MAY not appeal. The talking heads kelly1mm Sep 2022 #11
I see what you're saying. Questions here though bluestarone Sep 2022 #16
I suppose, but it seems to me that whatever the SM decides won't matter Ocelot II Sep 2022 #17
Again i agree 100% in what you're saying! bluestarone Sep 2022 #19
No, it would not be "15-20 months" former9thward Sep 2022 #18
How many of 'these types of cases' have there been? If it follows 'regular' timelines it would kelly1mm Sep 2022 #20
There is national interest in this matter. former9thward Sep 2022 #21
OK, I certainly hope you are right! I just don't think it will be a matter of weeks, most kelly1mm Sep 2022 #22
It could go pretty fast, if the Nixon tapes case can be used as an example. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #23
The appointed coffee person... sprinkleeninow Sep 2022 #5
Trump hasn't told her yet, but... dchill Sep 2022 #7
Can I name him Bob? EYESORE 9001 Sep 2022 #9
IQ45 has graduated from Special Mistress to Special Master! GreenWave Sep 2022 #12
I expect there will be a stay pending appeal, so no Special Master will be named at this time. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #13
Here are Neal Katyal's comments on this horrible opinion LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #14
thank you! nt orleans Sep 2022 #24
Yes orangecrush Sep 2022 #15
does trumpy get to pick? or can he say no i don't want that one? nt orleans Sep 2022 #25
They should have charged him before this happened prolly Meowmee Sep 2022 #26

tavernier

(12,377 posts)
10. Yes. There's a procedure for declassifying documents too
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:40 PM
Sep 2022

but no one seems to really care about that, so why should this matter?

The Rump team, including his judges, make up the rules as they go along, and we apparently have nothing to say about it.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. OMG how could you think that's happened already?
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:23 PM
Sep 2022

This will be grist for the M$M mill for at least a month or two.

IQ45 knows how to put on a show, that's why the corrupt media love him so much. Stories that garner eyes and clicks ... for next to no money.

It'll take at least a month.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
6. A month is only if the DOJ does not appeal, which most think they will. If they appeal the
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:31 PM
Sep 2022

selection of the SM and any review by same would be delayed pending appeal and assuming the loser takes an appeal from whatever the 11th Circuit decides and the USSC agrees to take the case it could be 15-20 MONTHS before we even get to determine if a SM gets to review the documents.

This is one reason the DOJ may not appeal and just let the SM review the documents and then take whatever the SM says is not privileged and run with that ..... just an opinion

Ocelot II

(115,674 posts)
8. The down-side of appealing is that DOJ would probably win the appeal, which TFG
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:37 PM
Sep 2022

would take to SCOTUS; and if they granted cert., - even apart from the delay problem - they might come up with some really obnoxious interpretation of executive privilege. DOJ might be better off just letting the appointment proceed, since they did offer an alternative plan in their brief setting out a tight time-line and other parameters. Since this is just a trial court decision it has no significant precedential value. And the judge has made an ass of herself.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
11. Right I agree with your reasoning about why the DOJ MAY not appeal. The talking heads
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:42 PM
Sep 2022

will go CRAZY though let alone the comments here on DU!

bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
16. I see what you're saying. Questions here though
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 08:52 PM
Sep 2022

Wouldn't it end up in the SC even if DOJ. didn't appeal? Let's say the SM decides for either side, THEN whoever loses could APPEAL again to the SC. Is this correct?

Ocelot II

(115,674 posts)
17. I suppose, but it seems to me that whatever the SM decides won't matter
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:06 PM
Sep 2022

in the long run, because even if they decide something is subject to executive privilege it won't mean TFG gets it back - because these are government documents they just have to be returned to the National Archives, and they couldn't be used in a criminal prosecution. But so what? The crimes the FBI cited when applying for the warrant had nothing to do with the content of the documents, but the fact that they were taken in the first place, withheld despite a GJ subpoena, and then TFG through his lawyers lied about having returned them all. Removing and failure to secure national security materials is a violation of the Espionage Act. None of that material could possibly be subject to executive privilege.

bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
19. Again i agree 100% in what you're saying!
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:19 PM
Sep 2022

It all comes down to one thing in my thoughts. That is, the WHOLE reason for TFG's request of SM, is to STALL everything. They have SUCCEEDED in that. Wondering what options the DOJ. have? I would definitely love to see an appeal. ( but they know better than i do) I was also wondering if there is a chance the DOJ. could go back to the FIRST judge and ask for intervention? I cannot believe the SC would let this decision stand, so that's why i say APPEAL NOW! TY in advance for you're thoughts here and your brain!

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
18. No, it would not be "15-20 months"
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:11 PM
Sep 2022

The SC would issue an immediate decision as they always do in these type of cases.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
20. How many of 'these types of cases' have there been? If it follows 'regular' timelines it would
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:21 PM
Sep 2022

be 6-12 months for the 11th Circuit to rule. Then if the USSC agrees to hear the case another 6-18 months. Even fast tracking would still be 15-20 months.

Is it POSSIBLE it could be shorter? sure! But why. DJT is not a current office holder, and it is not like in 2000 when an election needed to be decided by January at the latest. I see no reason the Federal judiciary will speed this through. If you do please explain?

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
21. There is national interest in this matter.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:25 PM
Sep 2022

Courts move quickly on those type of cases. Most cases do not have the interest in them.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
22. OK, I certainly hope you are right! I just don't think it will be a matter of weeks, most
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:28 PM
Sep 2022

optimistically I would say 4 months if 11th Circuit only, 12 months if USSC. I would LOVE to be wrong.

Ocelot II

(115,674 posts)
23. It could go pretty fast, if the Nixon tapes case can be used as an example.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:35 PM
Sep 2022

The subpoena for the tapes was issued on April 16, 1974. On April 30 the Judiciary Committee got partial transcripts, but it demanded the actual tapes. On May 1 Nixon filed a motion to quash the subpoena for the tapes, which was denied on May 20. Nixon filed a notice of appeal on May 24. On the same day the Special Prosecutor also filed a petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment with SCOTUS. On May 31, the petition was granted with an expedited briefing schedule. SCOTUS heard oral argument on July 8 and issued its decision on July 24.

So, just a bit more than three months.

dchill

(38,472 posts)
7. Trump hasn't told her yet, but...
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:35 PM
Sep 2022

... probably Rudy.*



* Yes, this whole situation is completely unallowable - yet, it's allowed. Trump trumps everything. Stay away from 5th Avenue.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,130 posts)
14. Here are Neal Katyal's comments on this horrible opinion
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 08:36 PM
Sep 2022



This special master opinion is so bad it’s hard to know where to begin:
1. She says Biden hasn’t weighed in on whether docs protected by Exec Privilege. Nonsense. The archives letter (which DOJ submitted to the Judge) makes it clear current President thinks none of this ...
is privileged. Archivist says it is “not a close” question
2. Judge enjoins the entire investigation because some of the material might be subject to Executive Privilege. But Executive Priv isn’t some post-presidential privilege that allows Presidents to keep documents after ...
they leave office. At most, it simply means these are Executive documents that must be returned to the archives. It doesn’t in any way shape or form mean they can’t be used in a criminal prosecution about stolen docs...
3. She says the “reputational” harm to Trump justifies a special master. That’s insane–every crim deft has reputational harm. Are we now going to have special masters in every crim investigation?
4. She says the Special Master should screen materials for exec privilege, without ever once explaining what specific material is subject to exec priv, particularly when the incumbent President rejects the assertion. How is the Master supposed to figure that intricate Q out?
5. She says that because some tiny percentage of materials might be privileged, the entire investigation over all the materials has to stop. That’s a bazooka when one needs at most a scalpel.
6. She tries to enjoin the Exec Branch from using these materials in an investigation, but the govt has already reviewed all the materials. It makes no sense.
7. She says Trump suffers irreparable harm in interim, but the only harm she isolates is he won’t have the docs back during the investig. That’s not irreparable, he can get them back later &if they are improperly used to bring an indictment, he can move to dismiss the indictment
8. Her analysis of standing is terrible. Trump wouldn’t own these docs anyway, so why does he get a Master over them? If there is some marginal claim to some attorney client docs, that handful of material can be separately dealt with–you don’t enjoin the entire investig for that
9. Her jurisdictional analysis is similarly awful. She let Trump forum shop for a judge, instead of letting the magistrate judge evaluate these claims. The appearances here are tragic.

That’s just a few of many more problems. Frankly, any of my first year law students would have written a better opinion.
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Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
26. They should have charged him before this happened prolly
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 01:56 AM
Sep 2022

His team shopped for and got the judge they wanted. I suppose he can still be charged, I am not sure.

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