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About EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. I will die mad.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)They were not classified when they were sent.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)kentuck
(111,078 posts)And they scared Comey into doing their bidding, otherwise, they were going to call him back to testify.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)server instead of .gov to investigating if anything was classified. The first issue was that some of what should decades from now be official record COULD be missing as even when she left office, there was no process initiated to send all work related emails to the State Department.
The State IG looked into it from that perspective. From memory, he also looked at the way Albright, Powell, Condi Rice, and then SOS John Kerry handled their NON CLASSIFIED emails. ( Classified messages were not supposed to go to .gov and were supposed to go by secure methods) The conclusion, email had gone from a rare way to communicate within government to the norm. In essence, HRC was the first SOS who regularly used email for NON CLASSIFIED material. Rice did not use email, Powell had set up an intranet and used email for nonclassified State Department messages. Albright rarely used email. From the moment he became SOS, Kerry was given a .gov account which he used (I would guess at the request of the Obama administration.) He also had a process where a SD staffer regularly sent any email sent to his personal email to the .gov account. As many officials, US and otherwise, knew him for decades, that sometimes happened. What this shows is the Obama administration over time STRENGTHENED its policies.
There have been no investigations into Tillerson and Pompeo ... not to mention, both Ivanka and Jared Kushner, who could not get a security clear - unlike Hillary Clinton - used personal emails.
The takeaways of the State Department IG were that none of the SOS before HRC did anything more than she did to retain and archive NON classified emails. In addition, the Clinton server comingled personal and government emails. ( Even a young Congressional staffer I know routinely travels with a government phone and a personal phone and often 2 laptops.) As said above, it is clear standards on government emails have become stronger over time.
When the issue first arose, HRC all the emails to the State Department asking them, in the name of transparency, to make them all public online. This led to an enormous task where qualified SD people had to review each email and redact anything that should not be public. This was a demanding, time consuming process where they were told to publish at least so many emails a month. That led to the monthly stories, reviving the broader story and leading to the news media looking for anything that could go viral. In that process, the SD after the fact round the very small number of emails that should have been classified, though they were not marked as such and they were sent to her. Had she used .gov they STILL would have been in a not sufficiently secure account.
Obviously, this is not even close to what Trump did taking plainly marked, highly classified documents to a non secure Florida club.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Don't think we know for sure if any of the three actually were such.
happy feet
(869 posts)they deemed SHOULD have been classified after the fact. THREE|-8
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)since he chose to report the final results on national TV but covered by filling in accusations that "her" State Department computer system as sloppy. (Woman guilty of sloppy housekeeping?) But he made up for inadequate swiftboating by bombing her campaign with Anthony Wiener right before the election.
That was also the same sloppy system that Republican Sec States Condy Rice and Colin Powell who came before her left. Both of them also warned against using it for personal emails because anyone could access their personal messages, and he at least gave Hillary advice on what he used instead.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)There were 3 that were initially sent to Hillary without the classification cover but contained the (c) in the body. On review no cover was proper as the (c) was mistakenly inserted. It is standard to rely on the cover, which is what Hillary did.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)People on all sides of politics do, and sometimes must do, things I'd have never have imagine them doing before. Trust is gone, compromise is gone, cooperation across the board is gone. I'm not advocating giving in to any kind of madness or capitulation when the other side simply uses everything for power grabs, but I think those in positions of governance and jurisprudence thought, briefly, that they could march along as before with the expectation that it wasn't blood sport.
Hillary is, near as I can tell, fearless. Sadly she's also smart and well aware how running again would get their base riled to the max with slogans, fist pumping, utterly unintelligent but emotionally charged weaponry. I hope she can continue to work outside the system to encourage and lift up us who desperately need lifting these days.
Torchlight
(3,327 posts)instead of four years of watching the ignorant take pride in ignorance, as well as the chaos, and the corruption Trump labeled our country as.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)She would have been a great President.
We would have seen non stop attacks on her, the same or worse than Obama faced. They would have plagued her for her entire term. But, It's not like she never had experience in dealing with that.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)She had a handful calling her a liar. Some of these mentioned the Comey info in his press conference ( 110 8 chains etc...). It took someone who transcribed Comey's testimony in front of the Committee which stated there was only 3 which were labeled wrong
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)Grins
(7,212 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)GenXer47
(1,204 posts)I was discussing the Adam & Eve myth with a colleague and I realized that "lock her up" is nothing more than a substitution for blaming the woman for all human sin. Christians are conditioned, from a young age, for misogyny.
Hillary, you eat all the apples you want, honey.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)TFG and others want to compare the Clinton email investigation to TFG's theft of top-secret documents. Such comparisons are stupid in that there were not classified documents mishandled by Hillary and TFG actually stole and mishandled top secred documents
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republicans-refuse-grasp-clinton-standard-rcna45429
The problem emerges when grown-ups bother to look beyond the surface and notice that the allegations surrounding Clinton and Trump arent especially similar.
Clintons email protocols were, of course, the subject of a lengthy criminal probe. Federal investigators appeared eager to find evidence of wrongdoing: then-FBI Director James Comey privately marveled at the visceral hatred some senior FBI officials in New York had for the former secretary of state.
But federal law enforcement nevertheless didnt charge the Democrat with any crimes because they couldnt find evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Comey took the extraordinary step of publicly criticizing Clinton anyway, but he grudgingly conceded that the FBI, following an exhaustive investigation, couldnt indict her.
Trumps State Department similarly conceded late on a Friday afternoon that there was no systemic or deliberate mishandling of classified information from Clinton. The inspector generals office in Trumps Justice Department also concluded that the FBI had no reason to charge Clinton.
Trumps scandal bears little resemblance to his former rivals. Clinton didnt take physical documents. She didnt ignore pleas for cooperation. She didnt store highly sensitive secrets at a private club that had an unfortunate habit of letting foreign spies walk around.
Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong. TFG did break the law and grossly mishandled top secret documents.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)SHE ... HAD ... EMAILS!!!11!
Wait, er, so what?
IcyPeas
(21,857 posts)I watched this interview on BBC World news last night. I can't find the entire interview but he mentioned Black Lives Matter, Hunter's laptop, Hillary's emails... he mentioned EVERY dog whistle under the sun in this 24 minute interview. I don't know if BBC America repeats this show but it was APPALLING. Here is a small clip where he talks about hillary and trump (go to about the 2 minute mark or listen to the entire clip:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cynss0
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/62807527