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Beachnutt

(7,311 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 06:57 PM Sep 2022

With only 8 countries with nuclear capabilities

which country would trump be interested in keeping the documents and who would he sell them to ?
I just saw on cbs news the countries are France, The UK, N Korea, China, Russia, US, thats all they named was those 6 so I don't know who the other 2 are.

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With only 8 countries with nuclear capabilities (Original Post) Beachnutt Sep 2022 OP
They left off India and Pakistan FBaggins Sep 2022 #1
I thought Israel has nukes... CanonRay Sep 2022 #11
They do, but everybody acts like they don't. Iggo Sep 2022 #12
I bet Saudi Arabia would pay about 2 billion CanonRay Sep 2022 #14
Sounds about right. Iggo Sep 2022 #21
Scores of them at least FBaggins Sep 2022 #13
The memos and minutes that confirm Israel's nuclear stockpile Celerity Sep 2022 #18
The other two sarisataka Sep 2022 #2
South Africa had nukes with help from Israel, but dismantled them in 1989 Celerity Sep 2022 #16
Wouldn't have to be limited to current possession of nukes. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #3
I think you and FBaggins nailed it with Iran Beachnutt Sep 2022 #10
Here is the list countries with nuclear weapons as of 2022: Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #4
Here's the list: tinrobot Sep 2022 #5
You mean eight countries that we know of. Mr.Bill Sep 2022 #6
It could also be a wannabe, like Iran, or Saudi Arabia. Turbineguy Sep 2022 #7
Trump would sell to the highest bidder(s). Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #8
Isreal's bombs relayerbob Sep 2022 #9
I am guessing France. Sneederbunk Sep 2022 #15
Iran or NK WarGamer Sep 2022 #17
Israel is another one Stinky The Clown Sep 2022 #19
India and Pakistan also have the bomb, DemocraticPatriot Sep 2022 #20
What documents? former9thward Sep 2022 #22

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
1. They left off India and Pakistan
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 06:59 PM
Sep 2022

It's little secret that Israel should be on the list too.

My guess is that the country in question here is not one of these nine. My guess is Iran

CanonRay

(14,097 posts)
14. I bet Saudi Arabia would pay about 2 billion
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:28 PM
Sep 2022

for a document with that information. Just sayin...

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
13. Scores of them at least
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:24 PM
Sep 2022

Quite possibly hundreds

But they do not formally admit the fact - nor are they party to the various nuclear treaties.

And, of course, there are a couple dozen countries that do not recognize Israel as a state at all, let alone a nuclear one.

Celerity

(43,294 posts)
18. The memos and minutes that confirm Israel's nuclear stockpile
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 08:11 PM
Sep 2022
Documents reveal how then-defence minister Shimon Perez tried to sell South Africa's apartheid government the bomb

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-documents

This is the secret memo by South Africa's military chief of staff, General RF Armstrong, asking for nukes on the Jericho missiles. It has been revealed before, but its context was not understood. We now know the memo was the direct result of a meeting between PW Botha and Shimon Peres, and the basis of Botha's demand for nukes. This memo was uncovered by Peter Liberman and published in the Nonproliferation Review.

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/SA-general-nuclear.pdf

This cover page of an ISSA (ISrael-South Africa agreement) meeting in Pretoria between Israeli and South African officials on 30 June 1975 establishes the presence of General Armstrong, who wrote the nuclear memo.

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/ISSA-minutes1.pdf

This document details the another ISSA meeting during which Botha says he needs the 'right payload' and Peres offers it in 'three sizes' (paragraph 10).

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/ISSA-minutes2.pdf

This is the cover page and two other pages from the secret military agreement between Israel and South Africa, signed by both Shimon Peres and Botha. Note on page two there is a clause that says the very existence of the agreement is secret. Both men have signed the agreement on page three.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/Israel-SAagreement.pdf

In this letter, dated 11 November 1974, Peres says Israel and the South African apartheid government share a "common hatred of injustice" and urges a "close identity of aspirations and interests".

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/Peres-letter.pdf

snip

sarisataka

(18,571 posts)
2. The other two
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:00 PM
Sep 2022

Are India and Pakistan.

It is generally accepted Israel has components to assemble bombs. South Africa could also likely produce nuclear weapons.

Celerity

(43,294 posts)
16. South Africa had nukes with help from Israel, but dismantled them in 1989
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 08:04 PM
Sep 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

also

Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons

Exclusive: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapons

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

Nevilledog

(51,064 posts)
3. Wouldn't have to be limited to current possession of nukes.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:01 PM
Sep 2022

I think it was Iran or Israel with the buyer being Saudi Arabia

Beachnutt

(7,311 posts)
10. I think you and FBaggins nailed it with Iran
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:07 PM
Sep 2022

as Iran has a bounty on trump and his associates I think.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
4. Here is the list countries with nuclear weapons as of 2022:
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:02 PM
Sep 2022

Russia - 6,255 nuclear warheads
United States of America - 5,550 nuclear warheads
China - 350 nuclear warheads
France - 290 nuclear warheads
United Kingdom - 225 nuclear warheads
Pakistan - 165 nuclear warheads
India - 156 nuclear warheads
Israel - 90 nuclear warheads
North Korea - none, but material to build 40-50 nuclear warheads

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-nuclear-weapons

tinrobot

(10,893 posts)
5. Here's the list:
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:02 PM
Sep 2022

Russia — 6,257 (1,458 active, 3039 available, 1,760 retired)
United States — 5,550 (1,389 active, 2,361 available, 1,800 retired)
China — 350 available (actively expanding nuclear arsenal)
France — 290 available
United Kingdom — 225 available
Pakistan — 165 available
India — 156 available
Israel — 90 available
North Korea — 40-50 available (estimated)


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nuclear-weapons-by-country

You could probably add in a few others that might have or are developing them - South Africa, Iran, etc.

Mr.Bill

(24,274 posts)
6. You mean eight countries that we know of.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:03 PM
Sep 2022

Or they want us to know about. Missing from your list of six is Israel. I seem to remember for many years we hid the fact that Israel had nukes.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
8. Trump would sell to the highest bidder(s).
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:06 PM
Sep 2022

Or to those threatening him in some way, or for paying off past debts.
Or put his enemies in harm's way.

He would also sell to the same information to multiple buyers to increase the revenue.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
9. Isreal's bombs
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:06 PM
Sep 2022

It wasn't JUST the nuclear weapons. The statement was that it was concerning the defense postures, including nuclear weapons, which means it included a bunch of other key info, likely more useful in a practical sense, than the nuke materials. Buyers? That would be Saudi Arabia, and probably worth $2-3 Billion.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,341 posts)
20. India and Pakistan also have the bomb,
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 08:56 PM
Sep 2022

and quite possibly Israel also, although it is never publicly admitted.

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
22. What documents?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 09:29 PM
Sep 2022

The know how to build a nuclear bomb has been in the public scientific literature for at least 60 years. The problem is getting a hold of the material.

This is an article about how two students in 1964 designed a working nuclear bomb that could built at a neighborhood machine shop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jun/24/usa.science

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