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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWith only 8 countries with nuclear capabilities
which country would trump be interested in keeping the documents and who would he sell them to ?
I just saw on cbs news the countries are France, The UK, N Korea, China, Russia, US, thats all they named was those 6 so I don't know who the other 2 are.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)It's little secret that Israel should be on the list too.
My guess is that the country in question here is not one of these nine. My guess is Iran
CanonRay
(14,097 posts)Iggo
(47,547 posts)CanonRay
(14,097 posts)for a document with that information. Just sayin...
Iggo
(47,547 posts)FBaggins
(26,727 posts)Quite possibly hundreds
But they do not formally admit the fact - nor are they party to the various nuclear treaties.
And, of course, there are a couple dozen countries that do not recognize Israel as a state at all, let alone a nuclear one.
Celerity
(43,294 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-documents
This is the secret memo by South Africa's military chief of staff, General RF Armstrong, asking for nukes on the Jericho missiles. It has been revealed before, but its context was not understood. We now know the memo was the direct result of a meeting between PW Botha and Shimon Peres, and the basis of Botha's demand for nukes. This memo was uncovered by Peter Liberman and published in the Nonproliferation Review.
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/SA-general-nuclear.pdf
This cover page of an ISSA (ISrael-South Africa agreement) meeting in Pretoria between Israeli and South African officials on 30 June 1975 establishes the presence of General Armstrong, who wrote the nuclear memo.
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/ISSA-minutes1.pdf
This document details the another ISSA meeting during which Botha says he needs the 'right payload' and Peres offers it in 'three sizes' (paragraph 10).
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/ISSA-minutes2.pdf
This is the cover page and two other pages from the secret military agreement between Israel and South Africa, signed by both Shimon Peres and Botha. Note on page two there is a clause that says the very existence of the agreement is secret. Both men have signed the agreement on page three.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/Israel-SAagreement.pdf
In this letter, dated 11 November 1974, Peres says Israel and the South African apartheid government share a "common hatred of injustice" and urges a "close identity of aspirations and interests".
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/05/23/Peres-letter.pdf
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sarisataka
(18,571 posts)Are India and Pakistan.
It is generally accepted Israel has components to assemble bombs. South Africa could also likely produce nuclear weapons.
Celerity
(43,294 posts)also
Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons
Exclusive: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapons
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons
Nevilledog
(51,064 posts)I think it was Iran or Israel with the buyer being Saudi Arabia
Beachnutt
(7,311 posts)as Iran has a bounty on trump and his associates I think.
Irish_Dem
(46,893 posts)Russia - 6,255 nuclear warheads
United States of America - 5,550 nuclear warheads
China - 350 nuclear warheads
France - 290 nuclear warheads
United Kingdom - 225 nuclear warheads
Pakistan - 165 nuclear warheads
India - 156 nuclear warheads
Israel - 90 nuclear warheads
North Korea - none, but material to build 40-50 nuclear warheads
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-nuclear-weapons
tinrobot
(10,893 posts)
Russia 6,257 (1,458 active, 3039 available, 1,760 retired)
United States 5,550 (1,389 active, 2,361 available, 1,800 retired)
China 350 available (actively expanding nuclear arsenal)
France 290 available
United Kingdom 225 available
Pakistan 165 available
India 156 available
Israel 90 available
North Korea 40-50 available (estimated)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nuclear-weapons-by-country
You could probably add in a few others that might have or are developing them - South Africa, Iran, etc.
Mr.Bill
(24,274 posts)Or they want us to know about. Missing from your list of six is Israel. I seem to remember for many years we hid the fact that Israel had nukes.
Turbineguy
(37,313 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,893 posts)Or to those threatening him in some way, or for paying off past debts.
Or put his enemies in harm's way.
He would also sell to the same information to multiple buyers to increase the revenue.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)It wasn't JUST the nuclear weapons. The statement was that it was concerning the defense postures, including nuclear weapons, which means it included a bunch of other key info, likely more useful in a practical sense, than the nuke materials. Buyers? That would be Saudi Arabia, and probably worth $2-3 Billion.
Sneederbunk
(14,289 posts)He had stuff on Macron and Macron laughed at him.
WarGamer
(12,427 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,786 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,341 posts)and quite possibly Israel also, although it is never publicly admitted.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)The know how to build a nuclear bomb has been in the public scientific literature for at least 60 years. The problem is getting a hold of the material.
This is an article about how two students in 1964 designed a working nuclear bomb that could built at a neighborhood machine shop.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jun/24/usa.science