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Hillary asks: "How was he even able to get these documents out of the building?" (Original Post) kpete Sep 2022 OP
Saw the clip earlier. Shocking the corruption isn't it? onetexan Sep 2022 #1
The obvious answer must be something we don't want to admit. Samrob Sep 2022 #34
Well, at least no way we can mention on DU... Wrestlefire769 Sep 2022 #35
Somebody is looking into that, I'm sure? dchill Sep 2022 #2
What happened to the people who delivered the papers and returned without them? Srkdqltr Sep 2022 #3
He had help getting them our of the scif... brush Sep 2022 #4
You mean these gullible fools believe that treasonous grifter is "The Chosen One" Justice matters. Sep 2022 #13
For some reason, all the sheriffs looked the other way bucolic_frolic Sep 2022 #5
TY & Hillary!💕🤷‍♂️ Cha Sep 2022 #6
i posed the same question here on DU about a month ago. WVreaper Sep 2022 #7
Off to GP with you! lindysalsagal Sep 2022 #8
YES.....HOW THE FUCK WAS HE ABLE TO DO THAT Skittles Sep 2022 #9
Surely there is a meticulous logging system to keep track of Gaugamela Sep 2022 #10
Good question but another would be how did he select which ones to steal? captain queeg Sep 2022 #11
Flynn picked out some of the documents, Jared the childfreebychoice Sep 2022 #16
Seems plausible Rebl2 Sep 2022 #24
Flynn picked out some of the documents, Jared the childfreebychoice Sep 2022 #17
The answer is probably pretty simple. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #12
Not to mention he only surrounded himself with sycophants. n/t thenelm1 Sep 2022 #20
A must watch dalton99a Sep 2022 #14
Well, by any means, well over 10K documents were STOLEN. So, very thievishly, Hortensis Sep 2022 #15
Who signed them out & failed to return them? Nululu Sep 2022 #18
Dear Hillary: He had lots of help FakeNoose Sep 2022 #19
At the very least this debacle shows a need for some new procedures around classified documents. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #21
The American people would like to know, that's for damn sure. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #22
here's what i wondered when i saw her talking about this on the show orleans Sep 2022 #23
I have lost count of the number of times I've thought that and read that here. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #25
Remember When VP Cheney Camped Out At CIA DallasNE Sep 2022 #26
I know someone who knows that answer, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #27
Yes, we would all like to know liberal N proud Sep 2022 #28
Help and accomplices. Lots of help and accomplices. Wrestlefire769 Sep 2022 #29
Take out Bush Ii and TFG and replace with Gore and Hillary how much better our country would be. We Pepsidog Sep 2022 #30
It's reasonable moniss Sep 2022 #31
How many moles did trumPutin appoint? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #32
If we had real journalists this is what they would be asking JI7 Sep 2022 #33
It's a lesson to voters about the uses and POWER of POWER. Hortensis Sep 2022 #36

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
34. The obvious answer must be something we don't want to admit.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 03:24 AM
Sep 2022

Trump has more people working for him inside our homeland security services than we acknowledge, inside the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIA, NSA, and the military. Of course, we all know and acknowledge the ones working for him inside the House and Senate. We can get rid of most of them if we GOTV!

No way to get rid of them either unless a few become whistleblowers.

 

Wrestlefire769

(84 posts)
35. Well, at least no way we can mention on DU...
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 04:04 AM
Sep 2022

I have to be continually careful, because I do fear a certain way will be necessary (and has been for some time, because of the infiltration Putin and Trump have in American government)...

Srkdqltr

(6,271 posts)
3. What happened to the people who delivered the papers and returned without them?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 06:58 PM
Sep 2022

Someone knew. There is a paper trail someplace of unsigned return orders.

brush

(53,767 posts)
4. He had help getting them our of the scif...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 06:58 PM
Sep 2022

packing them and smuggling them to MAL and storing them. The idiots who helped will eventually be outed and have to face the consequences. I still don't get why people stick their necks out for that crook.

Justice matters.

(6,925 posts)
13. You mean these gullible fools believe that treasonous grifter is "The Chosen One"
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:35 PM
Sep 2022

I have no doubt his illegal "orders" to them (like "gimme that, I'll return 'em later... in two weeks"...)

4,000 times the same "order from gawd himself" right? Not hard to see these corrupt sheep's behavior...

WVreaper

(620 posts)
7. i posed the same question here on DU about a month ago.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 06:59 PM
Sep 2022

How did TFG come into possession of all of those documents? There is way more to this story and way more people criminally involved.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
10. Surely there is a meticulous logging system to keep track of
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:02 PM
Sep 2022

each document’s movement through the system. Someone must have seen that these documents were missing.

captain queeg

(10,171 posts)
11. Good question but another would be how did he select which ones to steal?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:04 PM
Sep 2022

You know he never paid attention during briefings. It’s not like he had the where-with-all to figure out which specific documents would benefit him. Maybe he got a list from uncle Vlad to provide some guidance.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
12. The answer is probably pretty simple.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:30 PM
Sep 2022

He told whoever was responsible for whatever document that he was keeping it "for further review" (because he didn't want to look at it then - reading is hard).

He's the POTUS, and he is in command. They said "Yes, Sir" and saluted.

Then he left it on the dining room table and later Hope Hicks stuffed it in a box.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Well, by any means, well over 10K documents were STOLEN. So, very thievishly,
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:37 PM
Sep 2022

techniques of course of great interest.

Nululu

(840 posts)
18. Who signed them out & failed to return them?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:50 PM
Sep 2022

Somebody showed ID and signed them out. Somebody was responsible for signing them back in. Nobody noticed these missing documents?

Who's fingerprints on the docs?

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
19. Dear Hillary: He had lots of help
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:57 PM
Sep 2022

We'll probably never know the extent of it. For now, just assume that family, WH staffers and Secret Service details all helped. We'll get this sorted out as soon as Chump's ass is finally in prison.



Lonestarblue

(9,977 posts)
21. At the very least this debacle shows a need for some new procedures around classified documents.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:05 PM
Sep 2022

The tracking needs to identify the document, the date it was left with a president, and a return date. Once that date passes, an official goes to the White House and collects the document. Any documents not yet returned within two weeks of the end of a presidency also get an official visit to collect them. The DNI and anyone else who allowed Trump to keep Top Secret documents knew the danger and just ignored it either because they were Trump flunkies or too blasé to do their jobs.

orleans

(34,050 posts)
23. here's what i wondered when i saw her talking about this on the show
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:17 PM
Sep 2022

who were the couriers that brought tfg those docs & never bothered returning them to safe keeping? who were the people in charge of the couriers that continued to let those docs not be returned? when hillary (as sos) was given those docs they were delivered by *military* courier


DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
26. Remember When VP Cheney Camped Out At CIA
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:31 PM
Sep 2022

Looking for some indication Saddam had WMD?

He could only take the documents to a secure room with cameras to assure he didn't stuff anything in his clothes.

Also, in the case of Trump, he would need an analyst to translate what the document was saying and what that meant. And here we are seeing it was several thousand pages. Trump wouldn't have known what to ask for so who was the inside guy that helped Trump. He did not do this all by himself.

gab13by13

(21,312 posts)
27. I know someone who knows that answer,
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:47 PM
Sep 2022

Mark Meadows, Trump's Chief of Staff.

The J6 committee tried to question him, even sent a criminal referral to DOJ to indict him.

Kash Patel was definitely involved, and probably John Solomon.

Trump mishandled classified documents for 4 years and no one stopped him, why wouldn't he assume he could do what he wanted?

 

Wrestlefire769

(84 posts)
29. Help and accomplices. Lots of help and accomplices.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:59 PM
Sep 2022

Meaning lots of people that, should we still have a nation at the end of this, should suffer the ultimate penalty.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
30. Take out Bush Ii and TFG and replace with Gore and Hillary how much better our country would be. We
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:02 PM
Sep 2022

would be so much more advanced and civilized. Bush was bad but TFG was truly a monster beyond what we could have imagined.

moniss

(4,214 posts)
31. It's reasonable
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:08 PM
Sep 2022

to conclude that some of those around him were assets of foreign intelligence (Russia etc.) and that as they were somewhat privy to four years worth of briefings etc. they would have a good idea of how to home in on asking for/looking for specific subjects that would be of timely importance/value. We already know that the internal administration of the WH was a zoo and never really changed. Omarosa gave us that first glimpse and warning as to the madness going on there. Kelly also remarked about the chaos and it was well known that the insiders and the Orange Ruski were purposely going around any controls he tried to implement.

Also the Orange Ruski openly bragged about having regular "private" phone calls with Vlad and others that kept the content of those calls unknown. Add to that the openly admitted use of burner phones, private encrypted messaging software etc. by those in the inner circle along with other "back channel" communications and the compromise of our classified info by these people was all but certain from the moment he was declared the winner in 2016. It all started as a big grift that they never imagined would turn into an actual victory but when it did they realized immediately they had hit the jackpot for using power to enrich themselves, punish others, get paid for doing the bidding of foreign actors, retaining documents to sell off/use for blackmail and to be able to keep the drooling MAGA rats sending in money to "protect their hero" as the traitorous acts came to light and the government moves forward against the perpetrators.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. It's a lesson to voters about the uses and POWER of POWER.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 04:24 AM
Sep 2022

Protective systems were in place. They were SMASHED by a POTUS who used the power voters gave him to smash everything he could and corrupt everyone and everything he could. And his people threatened to smash and destroy those who resisted going along.

Free, prosperous societies are a balancing act -- government strong and able enough to maintain a structure within which to pursue our happiness, citizens engaged enough to direct and keep the government in check.

It's desperately important to only give power to people of good character. In 2016 too many failed to engage to stop the barbarians among us.

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