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The DOJ Motion for partial Stay Pending Appeal is one of the best filings that I have read. Here is a link to the filing https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.69.0_2.pdf
The DOJ is educating the idiot judge on the law and pointing out the major fallacy of TFG's position for special master with respect to the classified documents. TFG does not own these documents and there has never been a good explanation as to why TFG had these records/documents. TFG seems to think that he still has right to these documents and want them returned to him which is in part of the reason for the idiot judge's order for a special master to examine all documents for executive privilege.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/justice-department-appeal-judges-ruling-special-master-trump-search-rcna46915
The Justice Department will appeal U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon's ruling for a special master to look at the documents seized during the search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, according to the notification filed Thursday. The Justice Department said it will file its appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit.
The department also asked for a partial stay of Cannon's ruling while the appeal is pending, saying that "the government and the public are irreparably injured when a criminal investigation of matters involving risks to national security is enjoined."
Parts of Cannon's ruling specifically those enjoining the government from doing anything with the classified records it seized would "cause the most immediate and serious harms to the government and the public." The government also wrote, in an eyebrow-raising line, that the injunction could "impede efforts to identify the existence of any additional classified records that are not being properly stored."
"The classified records are government property over which the Executive Branch has control and in which Plaintiff has no cognizable property interest," the Justice Department wrote......
The hundreds of pages of classified government records seized from Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate last month aren't the former president's "personal records," and he has no right to possess them, the Justice Department said in a court filing Thursday as it said the government would appeal a judge's ruling on the matter.
The Justice Department will appeal U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon's ruling for a special master to look at the documents seized during the search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, according to the notification filed Thursday. The Justice Department said it will file its appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit.
The department also asked for a partial stay of Cannon's ruling while the appeal is pending, saying that "the government and the public are irreparably injured when a criminal investigation of matters involving risks to national security is enjoined."
Parts of Cannon's ruling specifically those enjoining the government from doing anything with the classified records it seized would "cause the most immediate and serious harms to the government and the public." The government also wrote, in an eyebrow-raising line, that the injunction could "impede efforts to identify the existence of any additional classified records that are not being properly stored."
"The classified records are government property over which the Executive Branch has control and in which Plaintiff has no cognizable property interest," the Justice Department wrote.
The effect of these arguments is to educate the idiot judge and to gut the reasoning for a special master for these docuemnts.
This idiot judge has read the DOJ filing and is clearly worried. The judge has asked for the parties to address tomorrow the DOJ's argument
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The DOJ conferred with TFG's idiot lawyers and TFG is opposed to the DOJ motion for a partial lift of the stay.
To respond to the DOJ motion, TFG's attorneys will need to address the following:
1. Why did TFG have these documents? What was the purpose for TFG stealing and holding these documents? To date, TFG has never answered this question.
2. Will TFG's attorneys make in court the claim that these documents were declassified? TFG has made this claim outside of court but so far none of TFG's attorneys have made this claim. See https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217112652 TFG's attorneys will not make this claim in court unless there is real proof of such declassification other than TFG's out of court claims
3. What is the basis for TFG to claim ownership of these documents? Why should these documents be returned to TFG?
4. What is the basis of any claim of executive privilege with respect to these documents. The DOJ filing does a great job of showing why the concept of executive privilege does not apply. The SCOTUS ruled 8-1 earlier this year on TFG's right to claim executive privilege.
5. Why did the other TFG attorneys' lie to the DOJ about whether TFG had returned all documents? This issue will overhang the arguments in that TFG's attorneys have been caught in lies.
It appears that this judge is worried. If this partisan hack judge does not change her ruling, the DOJ will be able to appeal this issue on an expedited basis because our national security interests are being put at risk.
5. How could attorney client privilege apply? No attorney for TFG worked on these documents.
Again the filing made by the DOJ is really strong. The judge will be overturned if she denies this motion
wsulik
(44 posts)which side of history she wants to fall on.
I agree with you, after reading that brief, she should be overturned if she doesn't agree. The legal arguments are all there.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,046 posts)I want to see if TFG's attorney tries to use the declassification defense. If TFG's attorneys try this claim they will face prosecution and disbarment
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SunSeeker
(51,545 posts)yankee87
(2,166 posts)As usual, the orange blobs cult judge has to decide whether she for the country or her messiah, the Lord Orange Cheeto.
What next, judges decide whether ex-presidents can declare war? Maybe, they can invalidate elections. The loyalty to this POS is mind boggling.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,046 posts)TFG keeps floating the declassification argument but none of his attorneys have used this stupid claim in court either in oral arguments or in any filling or brief. The DOJ filing is going to force TFG's attorneys to take a position on the concept that TFG magically misclassified the materials
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/mar-lago-case-doj-appeal-trumps-reaction-matters-rcna46983
The hundreds of pages of classified government records seized from Donald Trumps Mar-a-Lago estate last month arent the former presidents personal records, and he has no right to possess them, the Justice Department said in a court filing Thursday as it said the government would appeal a judges ruling on the matter.
......But just as notably, Trump once again added that federal law enforcement officials plant fake evidence a bizarre claim that the former president embraced, then abandoned, and then re-embraced.
Its all quite unhinged, but the biggest tell is the lingering gap between Trump and his own lawyers. On his social media platform, the Republican pushes creative nonsense about planted evidence and declassifying materials, but in court, his attorneys realize that they cant get away with peddling garbage.
And therein lies the rub: We know the former presidents defenses arent real because even his lawyers won't endorse them
TFG's attorney will need to explain how TFG has possession of these documents and either adopt or reject the crazy arguments that TFG has been using
crickets
(25,959 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,046 posts)At least one TFG attorney is going to face sanctions/prosecution for lying. The other TFG attorneys are not going to take any chances. TFG's moronic claim that he declassified all documents has not been advanced by TFG attorneys
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-declassified-2658173705/
Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Harry Litman tweeted, importantly, Trump doesnt argue that he declassified material."
Litman was not the only legal expert to focus on the importance of the omission.
National security attorney Bradley Moss wrote, "With yet another court filing, it is increasingly clear there is no evidence of Trump's alleged 'standing declassification order,' and no evidence that these particular classified records were ever declassified."
Former Pentagon special counsel Ryan Goodman wrote, "Gosh, I wonder why President Trump's side did not claim he declassified MAL documents, and instead just said this milquetoast line. Easy bet: Because they do not want to be caught in a false statement to a court - subject to sanctions and 18 USC 1001."