I won't fawn over 'The Queen' or any other royalty

[867-5309.]

Considered top crust by accident of birth. Privilege as a result of bloodlines. Un-elected positions. They personify things fundamentally wrong with this world.

[sprinkleeninow]

1. Jenny, I've got yer numbah. 🤭

[FrankBooth]

9. Jenny should definitely lose this number

NM

[LakeArenal]

2. I always like if someone admires someone it's fawning.

Lucky for you you don’t have to.

[Ocelot II]

3. Then don't.

But millions of people who are not Americans and don't give a damn what we think, feel deep affection for the Queen and others in the royal family as national symbols, and it seems to me that we can at least be respectful of that. Anyhow, considering that in this country we have an antiquated and undemocratic election system that permitted the election of a dangerous, autocratic demagogue, maybe we shouldn't be throwing stones from the confines of our very fragile glass house.

[chowder66]

8. +1

[brush]

11. Yes. We have an aristocracy too, the unelected, multi-billionaire olicharchs...

who control so many levers of our society.

[magicarpet]

14. Clean and polish your own home,...

... (don't forget the windows)...


.... before you go white glove testing and criticizing even a speck of dust or dirt in the home of your neighbor.

How can you argue with that suggestion ?

[dchill]

16. OP is not "throwing stones" so much as...

...pointing out facts and differences. (I agree.)

[Hekate]

27. Well put, Ocelot

[BlackSkimmer]

29. Indeed.

[malaise]

36. I am not American and I detest all royals

wherever they exist. You cannot believe in the monarchy and democracy. Either all women and men are created equal or we are not.

Just listening to these assholes speak about who married a commoner and who didn't is enough to make me puke.

[lunatica]

38. Our country elected just such a person in Trump

When he finally has the decency to die we will be hearing about it as much as we’re hearing about the Queen.

There is much more to admire about Queen Elizabeth II than Trump. She served her country well which is more than he did, even from before she was Queen.

[Ocelot II]

40. Yes. I'm definitely not a fan of hereditary monarchies, but

the fact that we don't have one didn't save us from a dangerous, corrupt wanna-be despot with authoritarian tendencies to rival Louis XIV (whose power and palace TFG doubtless envies). What really matters isn't so much how a person acquired their position of power and privilege, but what they do with it.

[PortTack]

41. Thank you! We sometimes wonder why Brits and Europeans see us as rude..look no further

Than the post you replied too!

[Sympthsical]

4. It feels like standing in an empty field

Shouting, "No one here can tell me what to do!"

I mean, technically true.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. Well, why not read up on what she has done her whole life

There are plenty of reasons to admire the Queen for her work, and loyalty, and devotion.

No need to fawn over anyone based on what they were born into.

[hlthe2b]

13. Exactly. "Accident of birth, notwithstanding," I consider it shallow not to go further researching

exactly WHAT the person did with that life, that privilege.

We have many examples of those born to great advantage who still worked to do good with those life benefits--JFK's famous quote (and example) comes to mind: "with privilege goes responsibility."


That said, those whose disdain causes them to ignore this opportunity to learn a bit about the 70-plus years of history that she experienced are really missing an opportunity. One hardly needs to laud ANYONE, much less Royals to know that the discussions of this woman's years captured a birdseye seat on 7 decades of history. Of course, I value learning from history because much of what is happening and puts us at risk today comes as a result of/from those who DO NOT.

[LakeArenal]

18. She was a car mechanic in WWII.

Many royals served in the military. Diana touched (literally) the untouchable.

There are things to admire about most of them.

[Conjuay]

22. A car mechanic?

Anyone who owned a British vehicle HAD to be a car mechanic.

The fact that the same country that produced Lucas auto electrical systems invented radar is a mind boggling prospect

[LakeArenal]

44. Here....

https://www.insider.com/photos-queen-elizabeth-mechanic-world-war-ii-2020-4

[Hekate]

45. In military uniform. When she was 18 she enlisted w/o telling her father, because he'd already...

…said no. IIRC.

It is not just common but expected for princes to serve their countries in the military, and Harry’s bedazzled uniform is part royal obligation & heritage and part combat veteran.

Not so much princesses. Given her age and gender, not to mention being the first born, she wasn’t slated for combat, but she got axle grease under her nails and learned to maintain and drive military vehicles. (Her sister, by the way, was a Girl Guide, being only 12, or so.)

[Wounded Bear]

6. Yeah, mostly agree...

It's a fundamentally evil part of the American character that so many of us yearn for a class of "royals" to venerate. It contributes a lot to our authoritarian strain that leads to assholes like trump rising to positions of power.

I tolerate all the reportage on the passage of QEII, I don't join into it and I generally switch away from the coverage. This is my first comment on it and most likely will be my last.

:bored: with it all.

[applegrove]

7. I'm not as much of a royal fan as the elder generation of my family was.

I see it through the eyes of colonies more than they did. They were all about the British Empire as many Canadians were back 100 years ago. When I came back from University after taking an excellent African history course there was tension. But we avoided a direct discussion on it as we did most things. Still I admire this Queen's duty and service and a few things she did like encourage Prime Minister Mulrooney to go all out in being anti-apartheid when Thatcher would not. So she was a good egg. I enjoyed the series the Crown a great deal that being said.

[Torchlight]

12. Who is asking you to seek favor by flattery?

Seems a random thing to blurt. I'm sure it's solid, though.

[Blue Owl]

30. Some kinda royal highness or something

[obamanut2012]

15. Link to who is making yiu do this?

You need to report them to EarlG.

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. Yet many Americans fawn over celebrities like Kim Kardashian and Johnny Depp.

[48656c6c6f20]

19. I'm American, there's only one Queen I know

We all need a Queen like Freddie

[Ocelot II]

20. But he was British, too.

[48656c6c6f20]

21. Yeah so?

[Earth-shine]

32. Who do you think the band is named after?

[48656c6c6f20]

47. Umm so what?

That's not what I said

[Goodheart]

23. Nor I.

I agree with the Irish: it's a clown show.

[Ocelot II]

25. But it's *their* clown show. We have our own clowns, and they're scarier.

[nilram]

24. Vast inherited wealth, don't forget that.

I learned that she’s fed her corgis fresh rabbit and beef. Where I’m at, one rabbit would cost 40 bucks. I doubt that it’s cheaper if you have servants raising them.

[BlackSkimmer]

33. I don't have vast wealth.

But my dogs do frequently get steak, salmon, hamburger.

[Hekate]

46. My daughter raises rabbits for food, and they reproduce themselves pretty fast...

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…once they get going. You just have to not be sentimental about food.

Beyond that, the Queen has land of her own. She raises sheep around Windsor Castle, and the wool is sold to be spun and woven. Or maybe it’s processed in mills of her own. I don’t remember.

Charles has organic farms — he’s been big on organics and ecology and saving the Earth his whole adult life, and when people bitch about Charles having “controversy” and “getting involved in political matters,” that’s a chunk of it.

Evil, I tell you.

[MineralMan]

26. Is anyone asking you to?

[Blue Owl]

28. LOL

[BlackSkimmer]

31. Thank you. nt

[Raine]

34. "Fawn" condescending way to put fellow DUers down. 🙄 nt

[Treefrog]

37. Yeah, I noticed that too.

Smh.

[Scrivener7]

42. This exactly.

[nancy1942]

35. No-one is asking you to fawn.

It's possible to respect her for her dignity and strength over the years however. 70 years ago I watched her coronation on t.v. and she has always been above reproach. Not many people, royal or not, can make that claim.

[Duppers]

48. And about Meghan's treatment...

As less than an equal to Kate, in matters of acceptance within the family?

[LexVegas]

39. I'm devastated.

[emulatorloo]

43. No one said you had to.

[UTUSN]

49. Perfect, thanks.

[cherish44]

50. I stopped liking the Royal Family after they murdered Princess Diana

Shady shady shady (but they're rich and beloved so people let it slide) I admired Harry and Meghan for getting the hell out.