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Just had a thought! What if tfg actually issued himself a blanket pardon (Original Post) intrepidity Sep 2022 OP
Not a thing. You cannot be your own judge and you sure as H cannot pardon yourself Lettuce Be Sep 2022 #1
Wouldnt that decision be up to the SC, which is corrupt...think so Eliot Rosewater Sep 2022 #2
Pretty funny telling Trump what he can't do. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #28
Trump makes up things for his benefit. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #27
And what if he wrote himself a check for a $trillion dollars out of the US Treasury? kentuck Sep 2022 #3
Nor has an ex-POTUS walked out with State secrets intrepidity Sep 2022 #7
He didn't because he couldn't; it pardons don't work that way. brooklynite Sep 2022 #4
Well, EP also doesn't work the way at least 1 judge thinks intrepidity Sep 2022 #5
If it makes you happy to imagine that everything is hopeless... brooklynite Sep 2022 #9
well I can't honestly say it makes me happy intrepidity Sep 2022 #10
pardons work exactly like the supreme court says they work. rampartc Sep 2022 #24
There is no explicit limit in the constitution Voltaire2 Sep 2022 #32
You can only pardon for crimes occurring up to the time of the pardon rsdsharp Sep 2022 #6
OG SCOTUS maybe not intrepidity Sep 2022 #8
Really? You think they would allow a Democratic president to pardon himself? rsdsharp Sep 2022 #15
They know the same thing you and I know intrepidity Sep 2022 #20
If Trump gets back in, he's not going to care whether Democrats were "crimeing." rsdsharp Sep 2022 #22
His chance of a second term is 0% Generic Brad Sep 2022 #30
A lot of people said that in 2016. rsdsharp Sep 2022 #31
they would reverse themselves if a democrat tried it rampartc Sep 2022 #25
Sure they would. rsdsharp Sep 2022 #26
No I think they could allow trump self pardon Voltaire2 Sep 2022 #33
# 26 rsdsharp Sep 2022 #34
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is the case. Why wouldn't he? If nothing Gaugamela Sep 2022 #11
If 'they' get that far there won't be any more Democratic Presidents. MLAA Sep 2022 #16
Obviously. I don't think their being coy about this. Gaugamela Sep 2022 #17
However, keeping classified documents that were not his AFTER he left office karynnj Sep 2022 #12
I feel like the very specific language of said pardon would need to be so very precise, Volaris Sep 2022 #13
Why Would He Pardon Himself If He Didn't Do Anything Wrong? Me. Sep 2022 #14
At some point once he is indicted he will claim that he did give himself a blanket pardon. captain queeg Sep 2022 #18
Now that's a secret document Id love to see lost forever 😈 Arazi Sep 2022 #19
Haha, now I hadn't considered that intrepidity Sep 2022 #21
right just like he declassified the documents and didn't tell anyone jcgoldie Sep 2022 #23
Trump/Putin/GOP don't break the laws, they make them. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #29

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. Wouldnt that decision be up to the SC, which is corrupt...think so
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:37 PM
Sep 2022

I would love to read that he CANT pardon himself.

Anybody have that?

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
3. And what if he wrote himself a check for a $trillion dollars out of the US Treasury?
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:38 PM
Sep 2022

Since the Magna Carta, no one has been able to be the judge and jury of themselves.

intrepidity

(7,294 posts)
7. Nor has an ex-POTUS walked out with State secrets
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:42 PM
Sep 2022

This rat bastard is all about pushing boundaries for his own gain. Fight me.

rampartc

(5,403 posts)
24. pardons work exactly like the supreme court says they work.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:09 AM
Sep 2022

if i were a prosecutor i might be reluctant to charge this guilty bazztad because alito and kavenaugh might just decide that the founders intended that the pardon power be absolute and since the constitution does not specifically say a president can't pardon himself ........

Voltaire2

(13,008 posts)
32. There is no explicit limit in the constitution
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

other than impeachment. Consequently any other limits are derived from other sources and a court as abjectly corrupt as this one could make any damn decision they like.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
6. You can only pardon for crimes occurring up to the time of the pardon
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:42 PM
Sep 2022

Continuing to hold those documents after 1/20/21 is a continuing crime. Not that I believe a president can pardon his or herself. If so, what president wouldn’t issue a pardon on the way out the door? The Supreme Court isn’t going to allow Democrats to do that.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
15. Really? You think they would allow a Democratic president to pardon himself?
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 10:14 PM
Sep 2022

If Trump has the power, any Democrat would, too.

intrepidity

(7,294 posts)
20. They know the same thing you and I know
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:41 PM
Sep 2022

"Crimeing" is not really in the D wheelhouse. Not that it *doesn't* happen, but not nearly as prevalent. I bet stats will back that up. And Rs know it.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
22. If Trump gets back in, he's not going to care whether Democrats were "crimeing."
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:00 AM
Sep 2022

He’s going to order “his” DOJ to arrest and charge. He tried it before, and was told no. That won’t happen if he gets a revenge tour. . . er. . . second term.

rampartc

(5,403 posts)
25. they would reverse themselves if a democrat tried it
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 12:14 AM
Sep 2022

they will uphold trump's self pardon (which might just explain why garland seems reluctant to press charges).

Voltaire2

(13,008 posts)
33. No I think they could allow trump self pardon
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 03:55 PM
Sep 2022

and turn right around and deny a Biden self pardon. They are without shame a fully partisan court.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
11. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is the case. Why wouldn't he? If nothing
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:51 PM
Sep 2022

else it’s a delay tactic. Yes it will go to SCOTUS and run out the clock maybe until DeSantis or some other clown is in the White House and gives him another pardon. Why would you think anything else? You think he would listen to some lawyer “No sir, that’s not how the system was meant to work”?

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
12. However, keeping classified documents that were not his AFTER he left office
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:55 PM
Sep 2022

and lying about them and not returning them are things that happened AFTER the pardon.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
13. I feel like the very specific language of said pardon would need to be so very precise,
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:58 PM
Sep 2022

That DJT would NOT be able to transcribe said pardon on his own. That said, this particular Supreme Court majority would probably accept an actual Monoply Get out of Jail Free Card as proof of said pardon, so wtf knows...

captain queeg

(10,168 posts)
18. At some point once he is indicted he will claim that he did give himself a blanket pardon.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 10:51 PM
Sep 2022

You know he will, he is such a scammer. Then Faux and Co will Jump on board…

intrepidity

(7,294 posts)
21. Haha, now I hadn't considered that
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:45 PM
Sep 2022

Could explain why his panties are in such a wad to get his precious docs back, eh?

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