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You mean to tell me that our democracy is too weak to try a former President when those (Original Post) Samrob Sep 2022 OP
Herein lies the problem: Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #1
Then we can be a model for doing it by LAW. UTUSN Sep 2022 #3
Absolutely. But I am not too crazy about being measured down to banana republics Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #4
Not to prolong this, but DRUMPF is who has measured us DOWN. UTUSN Sep 2022 #5
I was referring to the OP Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #8
I hereby concede the last word: UTUSN Sep 2022 #9
Logical fallacy dpibel Sep 2022 #11
It is a logical fallacy only if you put words in my mouth. Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #12
K & Big R#5 UTUSN Sep 2022 #2
France is on there - could that mean Napoleon? treestar Sep 2022 #6
Nicolas Sarkozy: France's ex-president jailed over illegal campaign financing Justice matters. Sep 2022 #10
If it is, you'll most likely accept it. Kaleva Sep 2022 #7

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
1. Herein lies the problem:
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 01:01 PM
Sep 2022

At least half of the countries on that map have prosecuted or jailed their leaders with no regard to due process of law.

Not a good company to be in.

UTUSN

(70,633 posts)
5. Not to prolong this, but DRUMPF is who has measured us DOWN.
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 01:20 PM
Sep 2022

He's who, among so many other things, referred to other countries in racist/colonialist terms.






Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
8. I was referring to the OP
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 01:28 PM
Sep 2022

It appears to suggest that we follow suit and join the countries on the linked map. Many of those counties are hardly exemplary in following the rule of law. Notwithstanding his references to other countries, Trump has nothing to do with the OP or my post.

dpibel

(2,824 posts)
11. Logical fallacy
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 04:19 PM
Sep 2022

"Because some countries illegitimately prosecute former leaders, all prosecutions of former leaders are illegitimate."

Do you believe that the prosecutions of Sarkozy and Berlusconi were/are witch hunts?

Do you believe Trump is being investigated purely as a matter of retributive politics?

If it's a legit prosecution, that's what it is. Makes no difference what has happened in other countries.

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
12. It is a logical fallacy only if you put words in my mouth.
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 05:54 PM
Sep 2022

I never stated or implied that "all prosecutions of former leaders are illegitimate". What I said was "At least half of the countries on that map have prosecuted or jailed their leaders with no regard to due process of law". An accurate statement. The cause and effect relationship which is at the core of your attempt to establish a fallacy is nowhere to be found, There is no "all prosecutions of former leaders are illegitimate" part, spelled out or implied, anywhere in my post.

The OP didn't make a distinction between countries who prosecuted their former leaders legitimately and those who did so with disregard to due process of law. I found the latter problematic and I addressed it. See if you can find a logical fallacy in this: citing countries that have no regard to due process of law as an example to be emulated is not a good idea.

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