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The military command of the Russian federation has stopped sending new units into Ukraine following a dramatic Ukrainian counter-offensive that has reshaped the war and left Moscow reeling, the general staff of the armed forces of Ukraine said Monday.
The military command of the Russian federation has suspended the sending of new, already formed units into the territory of Ukraine, officials said on the general staff Facebook page.
The current situation in the theatre of operations and distrust of the higher command forced a large number of volunteers to categorically refuse the prospect of service in combat conditions, the statement continued. The situation is affected by information about the actual number of dead, while losses from private military companies and those mobilised from temporarily occupied territories are not taken into account. The situation worsens due to the general attitude toward their own wounded. In particular, in Russian hospitals, diagnoses and the nature of combat injuries are deliberately simplified and no time is given for rehabilitation in order to quickly return servicemen to the combat zone.
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Lovie777
(12,232 posts)Ukraine please remain vigilant.
ColinC
(8,289 posts)When in reality sending more people will be political (or for some, actual) suicide.
dsweet
(123 posts)IMHO, for all of this:
Now I have no love for the average Russian soldier, but those sorry bastards are not the reason the invasion is turning into a shit-show. Field Marshall Putin is the reason.
These sorry bastards are going to be hated for decades in Russia. It looks like the propagandist are trying to ensure that: blaming the soldiers for a lack of confidence in the command. A command that doesnt give a shit about them.
Putin and his regime has to be held accountable. Unfortunately, once the Russian people cast aside an oppressive yoke, they submit their necks to the next. So this is just a shit-carrousel that will have to be dealt with every few decades.
ananda
(28,858 posts)... who siphoned off money and pretty much left the
military in a pretty sorry state.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)I hope that it is true and that "Stopped" doesn't mean "temporarily stopped" or "delayed." You have to take into consideration how much Putin has invested in the war, and the personal cost to him of "stopping" to reinforce the occupying troops. That would be an admission that the war (and probably his head) was lost.
It is good strategy to project optimistic outlooks and suggest that the enemy is defeated. Troops who know that there is nothing behind them tend to want to stop fighting, and not be the last causality of a lost war. I would be more optimistic if the Russians were so depressed over the situation that they changed leaders at a higher level than general officers.
We have seen a very successful offensive, but we haven't seen a Russian defeat. We will know when Ukraine is victorious when we see a return of the pre '14 borders, and Russian troops returned to their barracks.
I can't help but to think back to the Winter of 1944 when the Americans were resting troops in a quite sector and anticipating a quick end of the war. Eisenhower and his staff made the error of preparing for what they thought the enemy would do, not what he was capable of doing. The big question today is what are the Russians still capable of doing. Time will tell.
Regardless of what is in the future, the present looks rosy for Ukraine. It appears to be a nation of heroes.
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)It's probably applicable to many different situations.
I think Zelensky will take back Crimea. I'm not sure what they will do with the free bridge.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Many are refusing to deploy.
Armies with low morale, incompetent leadership, lack of supplies, and no will to fight simply don't win wars.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)Russia may have realized that it can't live off of past glory and may stop buying so many yachts and start investing in an army capable of winning a limited ground war. The have probably been snug and happy with the MAD option and didn't think that they needed a modern ground fighting force. That lesson may hit home, or maybe not. Building and maintaining a professional army is an expensive proposition, and it can't happen overnight. We used to worry about massed Russian armor and troops streaming through the Fulda Gap to run amuck through Europe. That now seems like a pathetic joke.
It might be time for the Russians to reexperience 1917 and rid themselves of their modern-day royal masters. A good start would be a gulag full of oligarchs. In fact, in a show of solidarity, we could send them our surplus oligarchs and rotten politicians as well. Some Russian could write a novel about "One Day In The Life of Denisovich J. Trump."
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)And building a modern military takes things Russia does not possess.
That includes unfettered access to computer chips and other high tech components and a culture of military professionalism.
They have a corrupt kleptocracy that won't be easy to reform.
I had a very dim assessment of the Russian military prior to the UKR invasion myself. The war has gone as I figured it would, assuming the supply of UKR forces by NATO.
No surprises here.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)That is where the rerun of 1917 comes in. There is nothing like a bunch of pissed off peasants with pitchforks and torches.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Chainfire
(17,530 posts)I it better than doing nothing.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)G2theD
(593 posts)Troops having to steal food and water from residents!
Also they are sending WWII era equipment because their modern equipment has been destroyed.
Their vehicles have all been poorly maintained and keep breaking down.
Their morale must be rock bottom. Im thinking they are close to surrendering en masse or banding together to overcome their leaders and going home.
Hopefully Putin will die in his sleep soon. But the next guy may not be any better.
Torchlight
(3,327 posts)More's the pity if so, as he alone could end this conflict this afternoon with one phone call to Kiev. But his greed for power and his gluttony for excess, all at the expense of innocents, will continue until he's desperately cornered and has no furhter recourse; and that's the scenario most frightening to me.
I think in the end, Putin's eagerness to create a Greater Russia will lead directly to its undoing. But I do hope the end arrives sooner rather than later.
GregariousGroundhog
(7,518 posts)He could declare the special military operation a failure, fire the entire military high command, have them tried for corruption and graft, send them off to a remote penal colony somewhere, and begin the process of rebuilding Russia's military.
The thing with such an action is that it wouldn't even be a show trial. The Russian military largely is rotten to the core. The Ukrainian military largely rolled over when Russia invaded in 2014, and they've made great strides in their subsequent reforms. There's no reason Russia couldn't do the same thing. The only question is will they?
G2theD
(593 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)By interviewing the next batch of Russian troops captured by the Ukrainians.
And they capture many every day. Many simply throw down their weapons and surrender.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)don't want to die. Overwhelmingly. And your supplies suck. And your leaders suck. Maybe they can ultimately change things?
housecat
(3,121 posts)Their boys (my father included) were all born in and fought for the U.S. in WWII
Torchlight
(3,327 posts)through a morass of defeatism and setbacks. The offensive stalls and is then turned back short of a route.
This, the Second Battle of the Aisne in 1917, a strategic and tactical failure, resulted in a French army that pledged to remain in their trenches and were willing to defend but refused orders to attack. By the end of spring, over 20 French divisions mutinied, and revolts occurred in another 20 divisions.
There's always a particular in history that counters, or even denies another particular, and projecting 100 year old sentiments on the here and now is not an accurate thing, but I do think it in Putin's best interest to allow his army to advance to the rear, out of Ukraine and avoid what looks more and more to be a route of his army.