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We've managed to produce at least one basic need of future human missions to Mars: A toaster-size machine has gotten quite good at making breathable oxygen out of the alien atmosphere, @marinakoren reports.
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Just Like That, Were Making Oxygen on Mars
A small experiment on a NASA rover is tinkering with the alien atmosphere.
11:37 AM · Sep 12, 2022
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mars-life-moxie-experiment-oxygen-perseverance-rover/671391/
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Millions of miles away on Mars, in a barren crater just north of the equator, a rover is wandering around, carrying a gold-coated gadget the size of a toaster. The machine inhales the Martian air and strips away contaminants. It splits the atmospheric gas into constituent parts, takes what it needs, and then reassembles that blend to create something that is in very short supply on Mars: oxygen. Real, breathable oxygen, the kind you took in as you read these sentences.
After a bit of analysis, the machine puffs out the oxygen, harmlessly releasing the molecules into the Martian environment. The act makes this very sophisticated toaster, situated in the belly of NASAs Perseverance rover, the closest thing to a small tree on Mars.
And according to the researchers behind the little machine, its a pretty good tree. Every time theyve run it, the Mars Oxygen In-Situ Resource Utilization ExperimentMOXIE, for shorthas successfully converted Martian air, which is almost entirely made of carbon dioxide, into oxygen gas. Were not far from being able to produce oxygen at the rate that would sustain a human being, Michael Hecht, a planetary scientist at MITs Haystack Observatory who leads the project, told me. A small dog would be just fine at the rate that we produce.
MOXIE is a clever chemistry experiment. It is also a remarkable event in the history of space exploration. If human beings want to build a long-term home on Mars, theyll have to make use of the planets natural resources instead of lugging everything they need all the way from Earth. We have to be able to live off the land, Jennifer Heldmann, a NASA scientist who works in this futuristic fieldknown as in situ resource utilizationtold me. This is the first time that weve been able to test and demonstrate the technology to do that.
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SWBTATTReg
(22,065 posts)years or so to make enough oxygen and change the Earth's original atmosphere to roughly 20% or so oxygen. I forget what the original atmosphere consisted of (probably carbon dioxide, methane from all of the volcanoes, etc.).
Thus, all we got to do is send literally millions of these oxygen generators to Mars, and wait, oh let's say millions of years and voila! We'll be fine then. Ha ha.
More than likely these would generate Oxygen probably for some sort of dome/self-enclosed structures, and on a serious note, this is good news for our future exploration of Mars, perhaps the moon and other bodies in the solar system. That way, our astronauts don't have to carry so much oxygen on their flight from Earth to Mars, etc. Exciting!
Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)But this is a massive break through just the same. Means we don't have to bring oxygen with us to survive there.
The technology to preserve human life during space travel is the biggest challenge we face right now. Not sure the human body will ever be able to travel long distances in deep space. But if we can make oxygen on other planets, we can at least colonize them.
Part of me thinks that we'll be able to download human selves into machines to travel in deep space before we can create space travel that is suitable for human life long term.
forgotmylogin
(7,520 posts)Perhaps they can be solar-powered, but the actual power play would be to see if there are CO2 loving plants that can sustain themselves on Mars and create O2 naturally.
Plants also require H2O, however, so it's a puzzle!
sop
(10,100 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)crickets
(25,952 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)...the costs would be astronomical! (Pun intended)
It says the MOXIE would generate the O2 needed for a small dog, almost certainly in a modest, closed environment.
Two issues in our atmosphere.
The Martian atmosphere is 95% CO2. That's 2,360x that of earth. So, sufficient airflow to make a meaningful difference would be enormous. Now, there are layers in the stratosphere where CO2 content is 3x higher than that, but we still would need nearly 800 times the scale for the same small containment.
The air density on Mars is much lower so that's a positive as more mass per unit volume would happen on earth. But, there's still a fixed mass per surface area of the (either) chemical or electrical process.
Finally, our atmosphere is billions of times larger than the suggested small closed environment.
Hence, unless we find a way to efficiently coalesce CO2 in a super rich layer, improve reaction efficiency, & spend huge money, it's probably not likely.
That said, we'll eventually have to do something.
sop
(10,100 posts)Now I'm depressed again.
ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)...on understanding the dynamics of scale up.
2 liter flask, to 20 gallons, to 200 gallons, to 18,000 gallons.
Or, similar actions in continuous reactions, like this MOXIE thing.
Sorry, for the bit of doomcasting but, I've got the background to really know both the technical & economic hurdles.
I think it will take some greater Innovation than simply scaling up this approach.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)🤷🏾?♀️
I feel sorry for Mars if humans figure out how to bring oxygen to it, But don't learn how to treat a planet better😥
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)I try but I can't get the stupid off that one?
Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)Once a society is successful, the greedy and corrupt take over.
And ruin the society.
This time we are ruining the whole planet.
Chainfire
(17,467 posts)Next thing you know men will be there farting too.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)It sounds like a good machine to put on Earth. It could take in CO2, release oxygen, drop little pellets of carbon in a pile on the ground.
Earth-shine
(3,946 posts)The original TR is exactly what I thought of here.
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)its actual atmosphere is less than 1% that of Earth at sea level. The top of Mt Everest, the atmosphere is about a third that of sea level. The likelihood of being able to increase the Martian atmosphere enough so that it's breathable for people, is vanishingly small. Plus, the other thing about the extremely thin atmosphere there, is that lots and lots more cosmic radiation of all kinds makes it to the surface, so actually living in a surface dome, such as in The Martian by Andy Weir probably can't happen. It will be necessary to live underneath the surface. Same with the Moon.
sl8
(13,665 posts)The magnetosphere offers direct protection from radiation/charged particles and also protects the atmosphere from being "blown" away.
NASA has being doing some work on creating suitable artificial magnetic shields.
I would presume Mars would need an ozone layer like ours too to make it safe for most life forms that rely on DNA/RNA to replicate.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)books and movies.
My Son The Astronomer keeps me correctly informed.
Emile
(22,480 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)Already spewing their favorite chemicals all over the place.
I hope any unknown life forms on Mars are running for their lives.
LudwigPastorius
(9,101 posts)...like somewhere between a Level 1 and Level 2 civilization hard.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,249 posts)irisblue
(32,928 posts)Warpy
(111,140 posts)and carbon monoxide is doublt plus ungood. They'll have to do something about that before they do much crowing about the oxygen.
KS Toronado
(17,147 posts)Metaphorical
(1,601 posts)is that Earth is exceptional in many ways - it's a water world in the Goldilocks zone, it is effectively a binary planet, which in turn makes seasons possible but not extreme, it is large enough to hold most of its critical volatiles, it has a magnetic nickel-iron core that creates a protective magnetic shield against the radiation of the nearby variable star (the sun is stable-ish). None of the other planets in the solar system satisfy any of these conditions (Venus is sun-locked, Mars is tectonically dead, just outside the GZ, and has two small, captured asteroids as "moons" .
Ironically, of the two, if there were a way to push Venus out of its current orbit and give it a spin, Venus could be terraformed successfully- though the energy involved would be in the peta-Watt range. It's possible that an artificial magnetosphere could be set up for the planet by setting up a powerful enough dipole at Venus's L1 point.
A Martian L1 dipole couple could potentially retard the ablation of volatiles from the Martian atmosphere for a few kYears, but Mars simply lacks enough resources for a long term society.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)blathering about aliens visiting us: As you've already pointed out Earth is exceptional; and something like 85% of the stars in the Universe are red dwarfs. Which means conditions on planets in the Goldilocks zone of a red dwarf would be vastly different than one in the GZ of a star like ours.
Oh, and MY Son The Astronomer thinks that even if we could by some miracle give Mars a thick enough atmosphere for humans to live on the surface, it would probably start degrading very rapidly.
You are right about Venus. It is so similar in size to Earth that if it could be re-located and given a spin, it would be perfect.