One Third of Americans Hold Anti-Democratic Views

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One Third of Americans Hold Anti-Democratic Views

September 12, 2022 at 5:15 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 21 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2022/09/12/one-third-of-americans-hold-anti-democratic-views/

"SNIP......

A new Axios/Ipsos poll finds 33% of Americans “prefer strong unelected leaders to weak elected leaders and says presidents should be able to remove judges over their decisions.”

“The findings from this poll shatter the myth that Americans overwhelmingly agree on a common set of democratic values around checks and balances on elected leaders, protection of minority rights and freedom of speech.”

“They’re also a reality check against President Biden’s speech that portrayed threats to democracy as solely driven by Republican supporters of former President Trump who refuse to accept that he lost the 2020 election.”

Related from Vanity Fair: “Yes, Trump’s actual plan was to just… stay in the White House and refuse to come out.”

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[patphil]

1. That's a very Putinesk way of governing.

But that's only 1/3. I notice the article doesn't say how many don't support that view.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

2. The analysis of the poll is nuts! How are these fascists not solely driven by Republicans!??

How is that a reality check on Biden's anti-fascist speech??

Show your work, writers!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

10. There's plenty of authoritarian posters here

I've seen several calls for extrajudicial shipping 1/6ers to Gitmo, and praise for what a great prison it is. I've seen calls for waterboarding TFG.

[alphafemale]

3. The same 1/3 that think Palin is smart.

The same 1/3 of Americans that think trump is svelte.

The same 1/3 that believes Noah's flood happened.

These are not recoverable people.

[Bristlecone]

4. 1/3, thy name is maga

[GreenWave]

5. So they dropped from 40% to 33%!

Keep up the good work!

[Irish_Dem]

6. While Ukrainians are willing to die and watch the destruction of their country to save democracy.

They face murder, rape, torture, kidnap, the destruction of their country, culture, society.

At the same time, a big chunk of the US will just give our democracy away.

[hedda_foil]

7. The percentage of Dems who agree with the authoritarian data points is terrifying.

See the charts in the article please. Here's the summary.

What we're watching: In this poll, significant minorities of Republicans and Democrats supported non-democratic norms in about equal percentages — and Democrats were more likely than Republicans to say presidents should be able to remove judges when their decisions go against the national interest.

Many Americans also believe the government should follow the will of the majority even at the expense of ethnic and religious minority groups' civil rights.
And roughly a third said the federal government should be able to prosecute members of the news media who make offensive or unpatriotic statements.
Respondents younger than 35 or with household incomes below $75,000 a year were more likely to favor strong unelected leaders and to support prosecuting the media or empowering presidents to remove judges.
The big picture: If you're looking for good news in this poll, it is primarily that the people who embrace the anti-democratic views are still in the minority.

[Sympthsical]

9. No one's reading the article, lol

The part with "Presidents should be able to remove judges" had me lifting eyebrow enough to go check the data, because that sentiment certainly sounded familiar.

People are often blind to the authoritarian impulses of their own side. They don't think the policies and actions they support will ever be turned around on them someday.

[Ace Rothstein]

11. There was plenty of it here during 2020 and 2021 over COVID.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

12. Not even reading the post

That statistic about judges is in the first graf.
I have heard that sentiment plenty from Republicans as well - heck didn't W say something like "Dictators are good as long as I'm the dictator"?

[Raine]

14. Exactly nt

[albacore]

8. 1/3 of Murika is nucking futs!!

1/3 are rabid forced-birth nutbags.
1/3 are religious fanatics of one kind or other.
1/3 are Repubs.
1/3 against same-sex marriage.
1/3 against vaccine and mask mandates.
And on..
And on...

[Phoenix61]

13. They are misrepresenting the data.

Presidents should be able to remove judges.
Is very different from
Presidents should be able to remove judges whose decisions go against the national interests.
The government should follow the majority rather than minority ethnic/religious groups. Is pretty much the basis for democracy. Do you want the Evangelical Christian’s running the show? I sure as hell don’t.