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Yeah, I know, enough with the royal family already. This is just a small post, if you don't mind:
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(42,669 posts)geardaddy
(24,924 posts)phylny
(8,353 posts)Shame on Harrys family and others for feeding the tabloids.
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ananda
(28,783 posts)Jealous
phylny
(8,353 posts)It seems Kate works very hard for the family, and we dont really know the truth of the situation.
Applan
(693 posts)Which makes it really really true
HipChick
(25,485 posts)of lazy Kate, due to not working as hard as active Royals like Anne
Let's see if that changes now..
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)She's got like, what? Three under the age of 10.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)BRF SOP...
If the BRF are to survive they will need better PR folks..
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)How many of them have you personally met that you know all the details of the raising of these kids? Which nannies raised Will and Harry?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Gotta love the comments on here from those who seem to know the royals personally.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Royal nanny has been fairly well documented....When you have an heir and a couple of spares to raise...protocol is not deviated much
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)There is an anti-royal faction that works hard to turn the country against the brothers and their wives. The four are all compassionate problem solvers...the bad guys fear their popularity. All of these horrible online posts also attract the racists...and they are viscious... and the hate went off the charts with the added racial attacks...
jimfields33
(15,474 posts)Im not sure why its a requirement to have to like everyone: thats not how the real world works. There are members of many families that dont like a family member for loads of reasons. Typically not a big deal.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)Catherine is not jealous of Meaghan, nor vice versa..
pinkstarburst
(1,321 posts)and unless the two of you are besties, how would you even know? The tabloids just like to make up trash and saying the two of them hate each other is juicy gossip. Do better.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Diana good Fergie bad.
Trying the same thing again and so many idiots fall for it.
dmr
(28,321 posts)I just wish they'd leave Meghan alone. Let Harry & Meghan live in peace to raise their children, and live a happy life.
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BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)of them, of course, but they have just as much of a racism problem as we do.
LakeArenal
(28,729 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)in many ways. Except, of course, when the London police chased a dark completed man through the streets and onto an underground train where they shot him dead in front of passengers because they suspected that he was a terrorist. He was just a Brazilian student who ran from the plain clothed men chasing him because he rightly feared for his life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... ago.
UK Investigators have never warned of Racial terrorist permeating UK policing ranks like the FBI did here in the US.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Nothing much has changed...Racism is prevalent in the Met
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-police-officer-shot-unarmed-black-man-suspended-89802213
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I saw bi-racial couples for my first time while in London, and of course asked about them, as a child will.
Mom simply explained we're all people. That was the end of it, but I never ever witnessed a racist act while in England.
Later, as I was going through school in Charlotte, NC, where my school system and Boston began the first "pilot" projects of school busing, I saw the madness and racism of the north as they surrounded school buses, screamed at children, and more.
Didn't happen in Charlotte.
samnsara
(17,570 posts)..that keeps me from having to hear read or ingest anything trump...
Delmette2.0
(4,143 posts)pfitz59
(10,198 posts)Not given a choice (until he made the break).
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,789 posts)Butterflylady
(3,523 posts)Rebl2
(13,311 posts)seems to be much like his mother. I dont think she really cared for all the duties of being a princess, although it did afford her to tackle causes close to her heart. I seem to think Harry is the same way.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)opinions. Mine is, I don't think either Harry nor his mother minded the "royal duties". It was the constant hounding, scrutinizing and flat out made up total BS that went unaddressed by the rest of the Royals. Imagine being relentlessly bullied and having your dad, grandma and the rest of the family just stand back and say nothing but say to you, well this is just how it is. Good on Meghan and Harry. I wish Dianna could have got the hell out of dodge as well.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)That said, damn the issues are so complex-- and yet the public is almost by necessity going to try to make it simplistically dichotomous (avoiding the "black v white" metaphor for obvious reasons) picking one side over the other. Families and real life are not like that. There are usually so many misunderstandings on both sides that it is like trying to emulsify oil and vinegar.
If I could envision anything to try to make the situation better, it would require professionally trained intermediaries and a willingness to try to understand each other. Nothing short of an American therapist steeped in American racism issues but likewise with considerable knowledge of the UK, its history, and the unique aspects of the royal family, JOINED by a British therapist who obviously is both expert on British history, society, and societal attitudes, but likewise had spent sufficient years living/studying in various regions of the US to be conversant on perspectives that are feeding into the difficulties. Maybe a therapist couple that would help the younger Royals, at least William & Kate and Harry & Meghan work through some things and find some mutual understanding and which might lead to William & Kate helping Charles/Camilla to better understand.
I refuse, though to boil it down to "sides," one 'good' and the other, not. Like oil and vinegar, there is friction involved in helping the two come together and emulsify.
That said, to those who are fed up with all things royal or celebrity or of little consequence to OUR daily lives, I get it. So, I'll merely end by saying I hope all concerned develop the sensitivity and maturity to work through some painful issues and that the media stops harassing and propagating the ugliness that a minority of people direct towards them, especially toward Meghan and Harry.
Ninga
(8,266 posts)Archie and have a photo of her planting a kiss on his forehead. No words needed.
He was referred to as a monkey by a British media personality. The new born. The new parents.
Great grannie could have shown the British people her love for the new baby. But crickets.
The damage was done and no push back. A new baby was the foil of racists.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)I have a bit of bias toward Harry and Meghan and the attitudes that they faced are a big part of that.
But this kind of simplistic analysis is not helpful. Nor, clearly is it intended to be. I get the need to vent. Racism is horrific and if you have already decided that the queen and Charles are/were unredeemable racists, then there really isn't anything else to be said, is there? Me? I think there are major gradients in racist attitudes, some less amenable to change or redemption than others. I've come across some at both ends of the spectrum.
Ninga
(8,266 posts)I have no idea who holds racists views in the castle. If anyone at all. Thats not the point.
The point is the monarch was hell bent on not ever giving her opinion, even in the face of her new born great grandson being attacked by one of her subjects.
Could her stoic front have sent a message of approval? Of course it did.
Given her age, and enormous encyclopedia of life-lessons, one might think a great grandmother might take a simple moment to display as much bravery as she did in WW2.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)Neither you nor I know what exactly she did or said behind closed doors--nor what she did not do or say. Nor, for that matter what Harry or Charles, or William or any of them. You chose to believe limited information you have "heard" to make an all-encompassing wide-reaching assessment. I freely admit I don't know.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)British website discussions. That experience showed me that the British tabloids are really brutal, more so than our own. It also showed me that Britain has as much of a problem with racism as we do. Since I do not personally know the royal family, I have no idea if the racism extends to any of them. I remember that they were displeased with Diana's relationship with Dodi Frayed, but I don't know if it was based on his character and personality or on racism.
Like any family, they sure do have their share of scandals, made worse by their position in British society.
What goes on BEHIND closed doors is not the issue is it.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)We can all believe what we want to believe-- whether there is evidence of not. Certainly, accusations propagated by British tabloids or the worst of American rags are enticing to many.
No one wins that way, though. Certainly not Harry & Meghan and others involved, nor the goals of a color-blind, more tolerant society.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)I trust what I see. Not what I hear or assume. Color-blind. lol
FYI
https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/02/10/7-things-color-blind-racist-friend-might-say-respond/
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)You wrote:
I trust what I see. Not what I hear or assume. Color-blind. lol
FYI
https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/02/10/7-things-color-blind-racist-friend-might-say-respond/
and your link is to:
7 Things Your Colorblind Racist Friend Might Say to You and How to Respond
Really? I do NOT deserve that. At all. Nor does any DUer just trying to engage in a civil discussion about people none of us can know in terms of their intentions.
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inthewind21
(4,616 posts)I'm wondering why you would want a color blind society? For the very reasons addressed in the link. We already have a colorblind society. If you don't see color, you don't see culture and history differences. You view all as the same. And we are definitely NOT all the same with the same culture and history. Color blind is nothing more than a catchy phrase that allows one to wipe out all cultural and historical differences in order to bury any instances that might be too uncomfortable to confront head on.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)disdain for culture and history. THat is your projection.
So, yes, your accusations toward me are offensive as hell. Show me where in my posts I have said anything to deserve that. You don't know me yet you show your unwillingness to engage with me civilly and ask questions rather than make such derisive accusations.
Ninga
(8,266 posts)closed doors.
No one knows.
It was the British subjects. A simple photo of her kissng the new born would have been worth a million words.
I think I didnt make my self clear. Sorry.
It would have been lovely and have sent a strong message as well. Their desire for privacy has long been to their detriment, I agree.
MontanaMama
(23,242 posts)about as much as we should believe the BS spewed by our own media.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I know people think all tweets are true, but this just isn't.
Butterflylady
(3,523 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)There are numerous YouTube channels with over a hundred thousand followers each. They all despise her.
There are a lot of people who don't like her. I don't do Twitter, but there are plenty there as well.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)defending herself, her marriage, publicly, instead of running away from it. I remember Brit tabloids praising Kate for somethings but criticizing Meghan for exactly the same.
How dare she marry royalty?
I think she and Harry are a lovely couple and have shown alot of courage in leaving that ridiculous business.
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)It affects almost anyone who has ever posted anything.
There always 1, 2, or 100 people who have something rude and obnoxious to say about you and what you posted.
I once got trashed for saying the birds helped eat bugs in my garden ....new species of invasive bugs. I'm sure everyone has examples like that.
It just goes to show you someone is always going to be miserable and find you an attractive target of their misery.
Sympthsical
(8,936 posts)It shouldn't have the outsized influence it does.
The problem is, the MSM are also on Twitter (getting in slapfights with one another all day).
It also enables a subset of journalists to be supremely lazy. Article after article about what is said or done on Twitter and endless stories fished out from Twitter.
Who needs to research or do on the ground reporting? It's on Twitter!
I read so much false or mis- information from that place. It's astounding. Anytime someone shares a tweet claiming it's totally true, I immediately start looking things up to verify the information.
I honestly wished this place relied less on it or banished it to a subforum. Every. single. day. I see tweets that are wrong or untrue. It's depressing how little things get verified before they're posted.
Joinfortmill
(14,247 posts)Warpy
(110,913 posts)and that drives color obsessed weirdos completely around the bend.
I'm not surprised most of the hate comes from a tiny group. I suspect it's the same here in the US, although there are more of them because the US population is higher, but it's probably the same percentage of twisted rantersI in both countries.
I suppose this means they won't be moving back to England any time soon.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They lose. Good people win. That arc of the moral universe thing...
jaxexpat
(6,703 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)good catch.
I liked her since seeing a piece on her childhood activism. Didn't know who she was until the end.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)onetexan
(12,994 posts)but agree, she is the real deal and a lovely lovely down to earth person who is genuine, something i don't find true with Waity Katy. Harry & Meghan are their real, authentic selves everywhere they go regardless of whom they're speaking to. They're hugely relatable and def'ly role models for the young people with their volunteering & philanthropic work, and hope they inspire many more.
NameAlreadyTaken
(959 posts)He is updating it to include the events of this year.
JustAnotherGen
(31,686 posts)Tom Bower was part of the harassment.
Not going to apologize for what I'm about to type next -
Meghan is not that much younger than me, grew up bi-racial in America - and I empathize with her.
I truly feel awful for her and Harry's children.
Both sets of grandparents, and my GREAT Grandparents (all of my mom's lived into their 90's) fully accepted my brother and me as FAMILY.
I see things that perhaps others don't. My lived experience? I can tell a polite bigot from 1000 miles away.
Bowers is a known polite bigot.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)NameAlreadyTaken
(959 posts)Rob H.
(5,340 posts)In 2019, a biography of Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn, Dangerous Hero, was published. Serialised at length in The Mail on Sunday, it was a number two Sunday Times bestseller. The book accused Jeremy Corbyn of being an anti-Semitic Marxist. The book has been seriously criticised by Peter Oborne, writing in Middle East Eye, for its lack of referencing, alleged factual errors and the systematic omittance of relevant facts. Stephen Bush, writing in The Guardian, referred to the book as a "hatchet job" littered with "rudimentary errors" and journalist Oscar Rickett called it "garbage". In the book, he made false allegations against the Palestinian Return Centre. Along with the publisher HarperCollins he made a full, unqualified withdrawal of the allegations, but neither apologised nor paid any money to the complainant or the lawyers. The allegations are to be removed from all future editions of the book. The Mail on Sunday and MailOnline which serialised the book had to pay full damages and issue a written apology.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)will include corrections of the errors he made on a date and on location names.
I have not read the book and know that I won't. But I looked it up and read reviews by people who did read it. The majority gave it 4 and 5 stars because they said that his numerous footnotes indicate that it is well researched. But the critics pointed out that he got some easily researched factual information wrong. All of the reviewers commented on the totally negative portrayal of Meghan to the point of the book lacking any balance and sounding almost like a personal bias.
One critic said that he portrayed Trump sympathetically in a situation between Trump and Meghan. A fan of the book made the sweeping claim that Americans (no qualifiers, seemingly meaning all Americans) hate Harry and Meghan as spoiled privileged elite.
I noticed that Bower is married to a baroness who is a conservative in the House of Lords. I wonder if that influenced Bower's writing about Meghan and Harry.
I don't much care about royal scandals and spats. As an American, it has nothing to do with me, despite Meghan also being American. She and Harry are far removed from my own personal life and social circle, so their lives are too distant from mine to get caught up in their issues.
I do think - just an observation - that they both are physically very attractive people and make a stunning looking couple when standing together.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)"know the Real Meghan" by reading what someone else has to say about her?
treestar
(82,383 posts)royal "scandal" is great for the trash press.
TheProle
(2,101 posts)that Twitter is NOT prevailing opinion:
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/04/24/sizing-up-twitter-users/
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)I am just flabbergasted at the reaction by some.. but it makes sense now that a small group are manipulating people.. I think of Piers Morgan, and his outrageous things he says about her attacking the royal family, as if he was a member of the royal family.. there is only one member of the royal family, and that is Meghan Markle and she is being non stopped attacked by the goobers.
Just like Diana, Fergie, Kate, etc etc.. she is a member of the royal family, and the press seems to makes its money from ginned up controversies. And she has just set hard boundaries to protect her children from the goobers. She had to..
And yes, Meghan's fathers family are a bunch of grifters.. and I am sure not all of them are.. but her Dad and sister and brother .. she just needs keep the chord cut on that group
And Kates family is just as screwed up.. not her parents but Uncle cousins.. I will let you look that up..
Just like here.. you have the people who have bought into it and have cannot let go of the crazy..
RobinA
(9,878 posts)I get Facebook posts about the royals and the Meghan hate and bullying just astounds me. I've always thought it was going to take some kind of miracle for the marriage to work long-term, but that had more to do with her being an American who could not possibly comprehend going into this situation what she was facing. I'm now rooting for them just because of the sh*tstorm that erupts every time she shows her face. Or doesn't. She really can't do anything right. Really, it's some kind of transcontinental cat fight, as most of the bullies I read are women. I feel horrible for her.
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)and she looks terrified.. but resolute.. I think in the long run she and Harry will live a life of service.. They both are so committed to the needs of others.. I admire them.. Harry with Meghan's help will not just be the spare.. I admire them both so much..Between you me and the wall, I think just like Diana.. the villain's in this have been not so much the royals themselves.. but those that run the palaces.. and the gossip media.. That was a deal with devil that Prince Phillip made... I am sure he never saw how the papers that live on rumor not news would do such damage to their family..
Catherine Vincent
(34,485 posts)The british press are some evil mofos.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Altho we have a set of people here
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)meanwhile the "Republican" efforts continue, as in Northern Ireland.