Evacuation of high-level Russians and their proxies from southern Ukraine reported

[BeyondGeography]

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[Kaleva]

1. Putin made sure he'll be remembered by history.

[Whiskeytide]

2. They're safer in Ukraine these days. n/t

[Botany]

3. Holy shit the Ukrainians (with help) may have beaten the Russians. Russians are now leaving Crimea.

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Holy shit the Ukrainians (with help) may have beaten the Russians.

"Russian occupiers begin leaving Crimea, southern Ukraine with their families. "



about 7 days ago in the Kharkiv region.

Thanx to DUer Irish Dem
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BTW Donald Trump & the GOP supported Vlad Putin and his war on the Ukrainian people.

[onetexan]

10. Its not over yet. UKR needs to take back Kherson

Then we're talking

[Botany]

13. I have seen stories of Chechen Soldiers who were brought in to help Vlad/Russia in Kherson now ...

.... are fighting for Ukraine. This is from the internet so take it for a grain of salt but there are some
pretty good source that Russian troops in Kherson are trying to surrender so they can leave and not be
stuck on the west side of the Dnieper River.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1667998/putin-news-russian-marines-mutiny-kherson-kharkiv-counter-ukraine-war-latest

[onetexan]

14. Thanks much for the link! Slava Ukraini!!

[erronis]

20. I'm sure the remaining Russian soldiers (and civilians) don't want to be Chechen'd

The mercenaries that Putin brought in have been brutal. Given Russia's destruction of their homeland (Chechnya) they have no love for Russians other than getting paid. When those payments stop or are worthless (rubles) their dissatisfaction may be made very clear.

I'm guessing Putin doesn't have any Chechens (or Zaporozhian Cossacks (from Ukraine) anywhere close to Moscow or Sochi (his multi-billion$ hide-away.)

[Irish_Dem]

25. So the feared Chechens are now fighting for Ukraine.

I read yesterday somewhere that the Chechens were disgusted with the Russians and Putin.
Didn't know they were actually defecting, but I believe it.

Thanks for posting the article. Amazing:

The 810th separate brigade of marines lost almost 85 percent of its personnel.

The rest of the servicemen have an extremely low morale and psychological state.
And refusing to return to battle.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. Ha!!!

Their marines are nothing compared to the US Marines, we're better trained, better equipped, better motivated, hell, we're just better.

[Irish_Dem]

28. What do you think the conditions on the ground are for the Russian soldiers right now?

The reports are saying RU high casualties, very poor morale and dismal psychology.
The RU are refusing to return to combat. Basically in very bad shape.

Just wondered if you had read anything about the specifics.

I did read the other day that the RU medics make their soldiers go right back to the field.
No matter the injury.

Oh yes. We can clearly see the difference between a professional world class military with a decent budget
and the woefully amateur RU army.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. I think the conditions are dire for the Russian soldiers on the ground,

they're everything you pointed out and are close to surrendering or getting wiped out.

This, IMHO, is the most dangerous time, will Putin use tactical nukes to wipe out the Ukr. Army?
Will the Generals go along with it? Or will they rebel and refuse to carry out the order?
The latter I hope.

During the time of the Soviet Union, the Strategic Rocket Forces controlled the missiles, but the warheads were controlled by a special unit of the KGB, I wonder if it's still the same set up except now the warheads are controlled by a special unit of the FSB?
And would the FSB obey an order to release those warheads?
When I say release, I mean release the arming codes.

[Irish_Dem]

31. In any war, the end game can be the most dangerous but more so with Putin.

Yes I think he could use low yield nukes.
But he would not bring out the big guns for fear of US retaliation.

More likely he will just destroy Ukraine the same way he is now.

He has to be livid with hatred and fury right now.
His dreams of global dominance fading.

The only thing that might calm him down a bit is the thought
he can freeze Europe this winter and cause global starvation by destroying
the Ukrainian bread basket.

I too have been wondering about RU's nuclear weapons, who is in control of them,
where are they located and the chain of command. The military is a mess right now.
Hopefully the nukes are still safeguarded.

The internet says that Putin and the military central command are both able to launch.
I don't see Putin letting the FSB have control over the nukes, but who knows?

Putin did put the military on high nuclear alert at the beginning of the war.
I think that means that the typical launch procedure is shortened.

Some of the usual checks and balances are then no longer needed.
For example Putin could do a direct order to the field to launch.
He wouldn't have to go thru the military chain of command.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. Scary times my friend,

scary times.

Let's hope that cooler heads will prevail if Putin decides to use nukes.

I think, and again, this is only my opinion, but I would imagine that there are back channel comms. with Russia's High Command letting them know of the consequences of Putin ordering a nuclear strike in Ukr. and the resulting radioactive cloud that would settle over much of Europe and parts of Russia which would now involve NATO.

[Irish_Dem]

33. Even some of Hitler's generals at the end stayed calm and were sensible.

They knew the war was lost, and wanted the fighting to stop in order to spare Berlin.
They knew the Americans were headed for Berlin and were not in the mood to make nice.

The generals were trying to make sensible plans for the future of Germany.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. Crossed fingers that there are some calm and sensible Russian Generals and politicians

who will choose to save Mother Russia rather than allow Putin to destroy Mother Russia.

[Irish_Dem]

35. There are commonalities among all military. So we can speculate about outcome.

Many high ranking military officers have spent their entire adult lives in the military community.
Not the civilian one.

They see the civilian leaders come and go.
Military stays the same despite who the civilian leader happens to be.

You understand the military culture and connections.

Yes I know the Russian generals are corrupt, not professional and do not really care about their troops.

But the military is all they have ever known.

Will they sit by and watch Putin destroy the Russian military to the last 18 year old private?
Some of the generals have seen most of their battalions wiped out completely.
The men left won't fight. Even with a gun to their head.

The generals have watched as one general after another has been killed.
Watching Putin lambast and scapegoat them as well.

They have families, girlfriends, colleagues. Are they going to watch all of them face destruction?

And they know that Putin will blame all his generals for the loss of the war.
They will be killed, imprisoned or exiled.

The generals uniting in support of Putin is not certain at all.
Not by a long shot.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

36. Thank you.

that's exactly how I see it also.

[Irish_Dem]

38. Thanks, I was wondering what you thought.

The other thing I forgot to mention about the psychology of the military generals:

The military in most countries fights to defend their homeland.
That is their reason for being, that is their oath, duty, mission.

So how does a Russian general square that with taking actions
which will destroy the military and destroy Russia?

Also I wonder what the Russian generals are feeling right now.

Most of the troops are dead, missing, wounded, freaking out of their minds,
retreating, running for their lives and telling the officers to go to hell.

Their expensive dachas and mistresses may be little consolation now.

[Delphinus]

17. And

the nuclear plant (Zaparista?) has to be secured. I'm a bit worried that it may go into meltdown.

[timms139]

4. Watch out

for nukes from Putin .

[newdayneeded]

7. I was just gonna write that

If a huge withdrawal happens it might be to clear the blast zone.

[Evolve Dammit]

9. same

[Hekate]

22. No blast zone in Crimea, one would think: it's the breadbasket of Russia....

Crimea also turns out to be the breadbasket of much of the interconnected world. There are people far away who are literally starving now.

As for the Ukrainians who farm Crimea, Russia will gladly commit genocide upon them, and Stalin did so at one point. Aside from rich land, Ukraine has access to the sea, which Russia wants. Actual humans, not so much.

As for nukes — I think the massive power plant at Zaporizhizhia and the dead but still deadly Chernobyl could be quite a threat if deliberately mishandled.

jmho

[Irish_Dem]

26. Putin would starve the entire world for power and revenge.

His plan is to freeze out Europe and cause global starvation.

[Jarqui]

15. +1

Might be missiles or bombing from the air

But to me, this is not necessarily a good sign of things to come in the near future in that area.

Calls for removing Putin are going to get multiple nasty answers.

[Ilsa]

5. LOL!!!

[2naSalit]

8. Soon to follow...

The announcement that pooptin has has bad fall from 5 story window striking several bullets on the way down.

[Obvious85]

11. Don't let them evacuate, kill them as they try to leave

It's only fair

[1WorldHope]

12. My worry, and worry I do...

Are those ships with missiles still in the sea? Will the Russians leave and then Putin plans to burn the whole thing down? Putin's pride may never have been this hurt in his long and evil reign.

[peggysue2]

37. This!

I have the same anxiety. Remember the photographs of Aleppo and Homs after Putin did what he does best--reduce a landscape to rubble and ash?

If he tries to reduce Ukraine in the same way, I cannot imagine the West sitting back and watching the horror. And then???

Very dicey when you trap a rabid animal into a corner.

[1WorldHope]

40. Hope we are wrong n/t

[peggysue2]

41. So do I for Ukraine's sake

The recent bombing of the damn in the Kharkiv Oblast is not a good sign. The damage could have been worse, as could the flooding but that sort of infrastructure targeting to flood out civilian and military alike is the sort of retribution Putin has demonstrated in the past with little to no concern about the loss of human life. It's an "if I can't have it, then no one can' stance. On the positive side, China did not change their position about staying out of the conflict/war.

No men or materiel for you, Vlad!

So, we'll all need to wait and hope the angels are on the side of courageous Ukraine, that they continue to receive the weapon systems they need, and that Putin's further humiliation and loss will convince him to pull the plug on a ruinous misadventure that could ultimately bring down his own regime.

[trusty elf]

16. Remember this?

[erronis]

23. I've tried to cauterize his voice from my memories - thanks (NOT). What a cretin.

Fred should have drowned him.

Or maybe tried but left him with a half-wit.

[SergeStorms]

18. Crimea river.

Talk about throwing shade.

[FakeNoose]

19. They're smart to get out now while they still can

Anybody returning to Russia now will still be allowed back in. Later on, who knows?

[uponit7771]

21. There are still 10s of thousands of Russian troops west of a big river near Kherson, this must be

... crushing for them to hear they're not even rear guard action they're just stuck !!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. I heard a rumor on DU that the Ukraine forces misinterpreted an order...

(clicky)

[lpbk2713]

29. Russia was merciless on their initial assault on Ukraine.

Their artillery fired on schools, churches, hospitals and apartment buildings.

The Russians should get the same onslaught and more as they run away.

[2live is 2fly]

39. LoL