'Out-maneuvered' Trump lawyers' 'desperation' is showing in latest filing: legal expert

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

According to criminal defense attorney Shan Wu, the recent legal filing from Donald Trump's lawyers objecting to the Department of Justice's counterargument on appointing a special master and what constitutes a "classified" document is an embarrassment to the legal profession.

In a column for the Daily Beast, the attorney who specializes in white-collar crime claims that, from what he has seen from the dueling motions, the former president's lawyers are overmatched and have no clue how to defend their client.

Summing up the new filing, Wu asserted that it "smacks of an extremism and desperation perhaps born of having been maneuvered into a legal corner by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Justice Department."

Using his own experience, Wu suggested that the tactics being used by Trump's lawyers are laughable -- such as arguing facts that are indisputable -- and are signs that they have no defense.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/out-maneuvered-trump-lawyers-desperation-is-showing-in-latest-filing-legal-expert/ar-AA11LFgl

[elleng]

1. 'overmatched and have no clue how to defend their client.'

[calimary]

23. Well, I'd guess it's to be expected.

I'd bet trump is having a - um - shall we say "DIFFICULT" time finding lawyers who are A) any good and B) willing to accept the likelihood that they won't get paid. He's already run through a whole law school-full of 'em.

[triron]

2. The judge will even it out.

[napi21]

3. Likely because DT can't be defended! What he does is just plain wrong! n/t

[33taw]

4. While we may argue that his lawyers suck - they succeeded by judge shopping and if it lands in the

SC - he has a good chance of winning.

[Kaleva]

9. The SC slapped down efforts to overturn the election.

[33taw]

14. True, but I don't trust them.

[jaxexpat]

22. Yeah, but that was then.

Now they have uteri in the game.

[Kaleva]

28. Which is different then supporting TFG

[jaxexpat]

30. Oh, I don't doubt it. My view of things is seen through the crystal lens of sarcasm these days.

I don't see the USSC accountable or predictable in any of their "predicted" guises. I think they're trying to play 3d chess by throwing out the rule book and there's nobody to call them down until the Senate is 2/3 Democratically controlled and we start impeaching these frauds like they deserve.
I have noticed, however, that the meaning behind words becomes confused when the speaker presumes, incorrectly, to understand the meaning of a word to be that of a word which is spelled differently and pronounced sort of closely but not really. It's a thing that stimies clarity in understanding and it's unfortunate as it prevents people from seeing eye to eye when they are, perhaps, saying the same thing the same way, but the unrepentant meaning of words gets in the way of agreement, creating an atmosphere of frustration. Consider the comparison in meaning and context to the words then and than for instance. If they get switched up, it changes the whole meaning of a sentence. "Then" being a word that helps people to communicate the order of events in a narrative, for instance. "Than" sort of sets up a comparison between elements in a conversation. For example, a person may want to opine thus, "I'm sure glad they picked up the yard waste on Wednesday rather than Monday because I didn't have it ready until then. You see, when those words are used as if they're interchangeable, the meaning of the sentence becomes impossible to ascertain. It becomes a guess on the part of the reader as to what the writer is trying to say. The English language is a beautiful thing, but it is unforgiving on some points. I'm sure it has written me off as a loutish Yokel on many occasions, perhaps even as I type this. I'm a habitual planter of unnecessary commas. A terminal offense, I assure you.

[edhopper]

5. Roy Cohen taught him

it's not about the Law, it's about knowing the Judge.

[dalton99a]

8. +1

[Farmer-Rick]

6. Not to worry the Federalist Society Judge Aloose Cannon will come to their rescue

She's been feeding them arguments and interpreting Trump's floundering legal team's motions in the most lenient and loving way possible.

[edhopper]

10. Fixed it

She's been feeding them arguments and interpreting Trump's floundering legal team's motions in the most unconstitutional and loving way possible.

[Eyeball_Kid]

16. Cannon can do little else. She got the Special Master, but that's a mixed blessing.

Once the SM takes over the documents, Cannon won't intervene. And if the SM has an ounce of reasoning ability, he'll bypass a lot of the litigious nonsense and get to the meat of the matter: there is virtually nothing to the documents issue will "relieve" Trump. It was a phony, delaying tactic from the get-go. In all likelihood, the SM will move quickly and separate the wheat from the chaff, leaving Trump nothing but an attempt to plea bargain. The DOJ should reject any plea offer and go for the throat.

[rubbersole]

18. Delay all the way to the election. And thank you!

This treasonous bullshit needs to be front page news for 9 more weeks...and then get worse for repubs.

[liberal N proud]

7. They will just find a judge sympathetic to him

And get what they want

[Eyeball_Kid]

17. The DOJ has an ace in the hole: The Presidential Records Act.

The Act says that any case involving the Act must be sent to the DC federal Court. The DOJ, in that sense, is not playing hard ball. They haven't just walked away from Cannon's ruling and moved the case to DC, as is their right. Instead, they seem to be playing cute with Cannon. They CAN leave her high and dry, but they aren't doing that just yet.

[Chainfire]

11. They may be desperate, but Trump is still walking around free,

and, all of the evidence gathered in Mar-a-Loco is in limbo land. I am getting desperate....

[Jim__]

12. They may have no defense, but they appear to have the judge in their pocket.

If you have the judge in your pocket, you don't need much of a defense.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. Opinion The big takeaway from Trump's legal filings: He has no defense

TFG has no real defense. Yesterday's filing was pure dreck

Link to tweet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/13/trump-filing-classified-documents-takeaways/

The Trump legal brain trust’s latest filing has been met with proper ridicule. From its characterization of the documents retrieved from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate as “purported ‘classified records’ ” (Is there some doubt?) to its contention that the former president had the power to declassify documents (even though the absence of classification would not protect him from prosecution under the Espionage Act), the brief is incoherent, to put it mildly. Former FBI special agent Asha Rangappa tells me, “It literally contradicts itself in several places.”

Nevertheless, the filing is quite revealing, even if any rational judge would dismiss it out of hand. It demonstrates that Trump really has no excuse for having highly classified documents unsecured at Mar-a-Lago.

The brief never explicitly claims that Trump declassified any document — only that he had the power to do so. As former acting solicitor general Neal Katyal tweeted, “If Trump really thought he had declassified the documents, he [and] his lawyers would have said so. The fact that they never say in court what they say outside of [court] is itself damning.”

It’s a puzzle what his lawyers think would be a defense. Former federal prosecutor Andrew Weismann tells me, “His only possible defense is ‘I did not know I had government documents at Mar-a-Lago.’ ” But that won’t work, Weissmann says, because “there is so much contrary evidence that we know of already.” As he points out, the government executed its search warrant after Trump’s team said it returned everything because the government knew that assurance was false......

Trump has spent much of his life saying outrageous, false things. That simply does not work in court when the law is crystal clear and people outside the MAGA cult are rendering judgment. That may explain why Trump’s aim has always been to delay and delay, hoping some future Republican president (himself perhaps!) will, if needed, pardon him.

[KS Toronado]

15. Main reason his lawyers are an embarrassment

is that they're doing exactly what IQ4.5 has instructed them to do. Before long
it will be "But your Honor he's the King, Kings shouldn't be treated that way"

[Eyeball_Kid]

19. Trump only hires people to be his mouthpiece.

Every utterance from a Trump attorney or any other celebrity supporter comes from Trump himself. All he wants is the arrangement that different people say what he wants them to say. He's the director of his own script. He gives instructions to anyone who works for him to say exactly what he wants them to say. But because he's a narcissistic, crazy criminal, anyone who speaks for him gets into legal and/or ethical problems. All of them.

[tanyev]

29. Like Dr. Jackson's "medical assessment" of Trump.

In January, 2018, Jackson publicly praised Trump's health following his annual physical and said the former president's health was "very, very good" and "excellent."

"I told the president that if he had a healthier diet over the last 20 years, he might live to be 200-years-old," Jackson said at the time.

"He has incredibly good genes, and it's just the way God made him," Jackson added.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-health-top-10-his-age-ronny-jackson-1725881

Or that letter Dr. Feelgood signed during the 2016 campaign.

[Samrob]

20. Why do truth and facts have to be "out-maneuvered?"

Trump lawyers were out-maneuvered by their own lies and willful blindness to Trump's arrogance, ignorance, deceit, and lying.

[CanonRay]

21. The problem is that the judge in the case is also

an embarrassment to the legal profession.

[OMGWTF]

24. In 3, 2, 1 -- Hunter Biden's Laptop! Butter emails!

Indefensible.

[lark]

25. The thing is - it doesn't matter one little bit. Cannon is all in on the treason.

Don't know if the 11gh district will be any better - but maybe they care about national security where Aileen obviously doesn't give a damn in reality.

[stumpysbear]

26. Too bad it won't matter

[Mr. Ected]

27. When the court is rigged the strength of the defense is irrelevant

Trump's Gang of Fascists don't need no stinkin' Constitution.