My Trumpy neighbor is arguing about Jan. 6 on Facebook and sez...

[CTyankee]

"No cop died on Jan 6. One 100 lb young lady did - shot by a cop. Get your facts straight. '

what is that all about? and where is he getting his info on Jan. 6? Is this a new RW talking point?

[underpants]

1. Ashli Babbitt is the only victim (and a martyr) to them

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ashli-babbitt-jan-6-insurrectionist-portrayed-as-martyr-by-some-had-violent-past

[CTyankee]

4. Thank you. I am often bewildered by what this guy says on Facebook...

[atreides1]

6. Ashli Babbitt

Was not a victim...

[underpants]

12. To them she is. That's what I'm saying.

[snowybirdie]

2. I think

They base this on no officer died that day from direct combat. However, one officer died the next day from chemical sprays and several committed suicide right after from the stress. They are very wrong. No use arguing with these fools, they'll not be convinced. And that 100# girl.....she was breaking into the house chamber and an officer was protecting our lawmakers. His duty and right.

[Mr.Bill]

3. My Trumpy neighbor was walking around

our senior mobile home park yesterday telling evryone they better get to the store right away and stock up on everything because when the trains stop running on Friday all the shelves would be empty. I told her not to worry, Biden will get it taken care of.

Haven't seen or heard from her today.

[Blue Owl]

8. Dark Brandon strikes again!

[Hugh_Lebowski]

5. He is almost exactly right, I believe one or two other protesters died from things like falls

But yeah, no cops/capital police/military/NG died ON Jan 6.

However, there was a Capital officer that died of natural causes (per the autopsy) a few days later who MAY have been affected by chemical sprays and/or stress from the occasion.

But it's not something strong enough you can go back with and say 'he died BECAUSE Jan 6' with certainty, only a maybe.

[bottomofthehill]

17. Please have your facts right, USCP Officer Brian Sicknick died on 1/7

If not for the insurrection and chemical attack, he would still be here. The DC Medical Examiner could not see DIRECT cause and affect. The ME is a doctor and I am not, but I know what happened that day, and the attack was caught on video also. Brian was a 40 year old guy with no extra weight, light drinking non smoking cop who put about 15- 25 miles a day on his bike. 5 days a week 48 weeks a year. Hot, cold, whatever, on his bike securing the Capitol.

Brian reported to work on 1/6, was involved in some of the worst fighting on the West Front of the US Capitol. His attack by use of Bear Spray among other chemicals that he was exposed to that day was caught on video. Brian left the line, cleared his eyes and returned to the fight to save American Democracy.

Later in the evening, after the building was cleared and was being swept, Brian collapsed in the Capitol. At around 10 pm, Brian left the Capitol unconscious on a hospital gurney, he was admitted to the ICU via the emergency room and died without ever regaining consciousness.

Brian was a right wing guy, but when Democracy was under attack, he more than stepped up, he gave his life. He came to work on 1/6, never made it home and was dead about 24 hours after the attack on the Capitol started.

He was under tremendous physical and mental stress being involved in fighting back an insurrection, he was exposed to chemical agents and died a few hours not days later.

Brian was killed protecting Members of Congress and our democratic process.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

19. I stated the exact facts of the situation, no clue what you're on about.

Edit: I suppose a 'few days' was inaccurate.

But the fact remains that the original RWNJ claim was 'ON January 6'. Which is technically correct by it's verbiage.

And if you want to go back to this person and say 'Yeah, but a cop involved in the fighting died the next day' that's a perfectly valid retort.

However, AFAIK the ME didn't explicitly say the attack caused his death.

So you'd be opening yourself up to that counter-argument.

[bottomofthehill]

20. So a few days later creates distance between the cause and affect

Brian left the building unconscious on his way to the hospital, never regained consciousness and died the next day is different than a few days later he died.

If someone drops dead of a heart attack while running a marathon, is it natural causes, yes, he/she had a heart attack, would they have had the same heart attack sitting home watching the marathon with a can of bud in their hand, probably not.

Brian came to work, fought insurrectionists never went home …..

[Hugh_Lebowski]

24. Look what the wingnut said was technically true

and I just laid out the difficulty in arguing against the literal words he used.

That's all.

I'm not saying *I* think what happened on Jan 6 was irrelevant with regards to his death. I think you're almost certainly correct.

[prodigitalson]

7. She is their Horst Wessel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel

[RockRaven]

9. Brian Sicknick died on the evening of the 7th.

And the officers who died from suicide were a somewhat later IIRC.

That's one of those pedantic, disingenuous talking points. Your neighbor is a bad faith interlocutor.

[bottomofthehill]

21. Brian came to work on the 6th and never went home.

He left the Capitol via ambulance and died in the hospital.

[multigraincracker]

10. All she had to do was

comply with the police.

[CTyankee]

11. He would probably say that she was exercising her right to free speech. So what's the best response

there? "the First Amendment doesn't protect trying to overthrow the government with violence."?

BTW, was Babbit armed?

[onethatcares]

13. best response

When you're told to back away or you will be shot, back away.

I know that doesn't always work for POC/police interactions but we're talking about a caucasian female climbing through the capitols window.

[underpants]

14. No she wasn't armed.

Ask this person what they think of Brittney Griner. The basketball player being held in Russia for a weed vape thing.

I can almost guarantee they’ll say “She broke the law. She should have known. She hates America (she doesn’t). She has to pay the price” or some combination of those.

Response - So was/did Ashli Babbitt.
All those apply to Babbitt.

[CTyankee]

16. good response! Thank you!

[Solomon]

25. How were they supposed to know she wasnt

armed? She was wearing a backpack for chrisakes. Could have been a bomb, anything in there.

[gratuitous]

22. An angry armed mob stormed the Capitol

But that's just "free speech" in some quarters. The fellow in this clip was at one of the Portland demonstrations in 2020 because he wanted to see law enforcement's reaction for himself, and possibly ask him why they were doing what they were doing. These are the goons sent into Portland by the former guy, and how they treated this Navy veteran:

Ask your neighbor if he was entitled to free speech?

[Emile]

15. The 100 pound young lady was a traitor!

[Dirty Socialist]

18. He's parroting Charlie Kirk

Ask him if he wants a cracker. BROK!

[KentuckyWoman]

23. It takes A LOT of mental gymnastics to be a MAGA

There's no way to have a conversation with someone who is incapable of dealing on anything remotely close to reality.

[bottomofthehill]

26. Tell your neighbor that no 100 pound women got killed that day.

Ashley Babbitt was closer to 150 pounds than 100 pounds and was 5’5-5’6. No way she could be 100 pounds. If he wants to play the literal game, you should too.