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In It to Win It

(8,231 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 06:56 PM Sep 2022

South Florida Venezuelans fume over Martha's Vineyard controversy

Sun Sentinel

https://archive.ph/03Y2x

Emotions ranging from outrage to panic and fear were felt by immigrants across South Florida in response to news that Gov. Ron DeSantis had taken responsibility for flying 50 migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, a resort island near Cape Cod known as a playground for the rich.

“They felt they were finally going to be able to live the American Dream,” said Juan Correa Villalonga, a 34-year-old Sunrise resident who fled Venezuela with his family at age 11. “Little did they know they were being sent to an island of millionaires. They can’t stay there. It was all a political stunt.”

Villalonga knows what it’s like to hope for a new life then be sent back to the country you thought you’d left behind. He was deported in 2009, then later allowed to return to the United States.

“There’s a lot of fear out there,” he said. “When people see this, there’s a great sense of panic in the immigrant communities. But people are outraged. We feel lied to. We’ve sat across the table from DeSantis and he has told us he would support immigrant communities. We feel used and manipulated.”

Raiza Perrault, a Hollywood resident born in Venezuela, had a different take.

She said of DeSantis: “He chartered two planes to take them to Martha’s Vineyard of all places. Imagine arriving here and then being put on a plane, not being told where they’re going. Who in their right mind would do something like that? It shows no compassion to take people like that and ship them out.”

Evelyn Pérez-Verdía, a Colombian-American political strategist from Weston, had sharp words for the governor, saying he used people who are escaping dictatorships as pawns for his political future.

“It shows why he is so dangerous,” she said. “Because he treats human beings as if they were not human. There is no time to cry. It’s not about crying. It’s about doing something about this. This should embolden our Latino communities to get involved and vote for people who are going to treat them with respect.”
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South Florida Venezuelans fume over Martha's Vineyard controversy (Original Post) In It to Win It Sep 2022 OP
Good luck voting in Florida. DeSatan and his legbums will just select who they want... TigressDem Sep 2022 #1
That sounds exactly like the MAGA crowd Jack the Greater Sep 2022 #9
Except, that DeSantis is actually replacing elected DEMs with ReThugs. TigressDem Sep 2022 #13
Apparently, what he did was legal Jack the Greater Sep 2022 #15
Which what was legal? AND it's only DIRTY when we let the creeps violating the law win. TigressDem Sep 2022 #19
It's NOT paranoid to doubt election integrity when a GOV is taking dark money and covering it up. TigressDem Sep 2022 #16
+10 nt reACTIONary Sep 2022 #21
Gloria al bravo pueblo venezolano GreenWave Sep 2022 #2
So..please don't vote for the idiot ..please! PortTack Sep 2022 #3
You people believed the fucker? You're idiots. Open your eyes, actually look around you and LISTEN Biophilic Sep 2022 #4
I can't believe anyone in the immigrant community actually believed deSatan area51 Sep 2022 #18
Dump the DICtator, De Stupid, Floirda! Cha Sep 2022 #5
AND DeSuckFace will just say, "Well, they can get jobs there." TigressDem Sep 2022 #6
One Venezuelan migrant who identified himself as Luis, 27, said he and nine relatives were promised Demovictory9 Sep 2022 #7
Originally the news reports indicated that the flights to Martha's Vineyard came from Florida Jack the Greater Sep 2022 #11
Flight left San Antonio KS Toronado Sep 2022 #23
I figured as much! How it this not human trafficking? tdrake Sep 2022 #22
welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2022 #34
A lawyer on MSNBC calls it HUMAN TRAFFICKING... iluvtennis Sep 2022 #8
"He told us he would support immigrant communities" gratuitous Sep 2022 #10
Actually... GB_RN Sep 2022 #24
This is interesting... appmanga Sep 2022 #12
All they have left is stunts. They are truly the party of Trump. nt Gore1FL Sep 2022 #14
On Electoral-Vote.com Today... GB_RN Sep 2022 #25
Let's hope the GOP ends up with their political bones shattered Gore1FL Sep 2022 #26
Well gee, maybe if they actually paid attention to what DeSatan DID in the past Hong Kong Cavalier Sep 2022 #17
Right wingers have claimed that the immigrants were bringing diseases. keithbvadu2 Sep 2022 #20
Human trafficking is a disease all by itself. intheflow Sep 2022 #33
As a resident of Miami-Dade county bluecollar2 Sep 2022 #27
Cubans are also coming across the Southern Border RandiFan1290 Sep 2022 #28
Surprise! Ted Cruz is "Cuban"... bluecollar2 Sep 2022 #29
And Venezuelans can file stronger cases of asylum RandiFan1290 Sep 2022 #30
That's true. I live in South Florida and many Cubans that I know In It to Win It Sep 2022 #31
Evelyn Prez, There is no time to cry. It's not about crying. It's about doing something about this. Botany Sep 2022 #32

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
1. Good luck voting in Florida. DeSatan and his legbums will just select who they want...
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:00 PM
Sep 2022

Will of the People is no longer tolerated in Florida.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
13. Except, that DeSantis is actually replacing elected DEMs with ReThugs.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:18 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/desantis-taps-republican-county-judge-to-replace-elected-democrat-as-tampa-area-prosecutor-01659720556

Democratic judge gone by executive order.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/desantis-broward-county-school-board.html

School board members all of the sudden in 2022 responsible for school shooting in 2018 when a state review showed the police were a problem. Supposedly these board members were supposed to forsee and make the school safe from active shooters before it happened.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/04/us/desantis-tampa-prosecutor-abortion.html

Democratic Prosecutor gone by executive order.


https://www.fdacs.gov/News-Events/Press-Releases/2022-Press-Releases/Commissioner-Nikki-Fried-Demands-IG-Investigation-into-Department-of-State-Failures-Election-Police-Persecution-of-20-Individuals-for-PR-Stunt

Sep 6, 2022

Tallahassee, Fla. – Today, Florida Commissioner of Agriculture and Consumer Services Nikki Fried, an independently-elected member of the Florida Cabinet and the Florida Board of Executive Clemency, called for an investigation into the Florida Office of Election Crimes and Security’s decision toarrest 20 individuals for illegally voting even though the state had approved their voter registration applications as well as the failure of the Florida Department of State’s Division of Elections to identify the applicants as ineligible.

The letter reads in part: “While under current law, these individuals were not eligible to vote, the persecution of this predominantly Black group of Floridians who broke the law without intent is not only disproportionate punishment but cruel. That cruelty is even more so as it becomes evident that what should have been investigated was how and why the state provided ineligible voters with registrations and that their traumatic arrests appear to have been done for pure publicity purposes, stoking fear and discouraging others who are eligible from exercising their rights to vote in the future.”


TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
19. Which what was legal? AND it's only DIRTY when we let the creeps violating the law win.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:32 PM
Sep 2022

Why are you defending the man who WANTS TO BE tRump so he can be dictator?

Who persecutes people for voting, who were told it was legal for them to vote, but takes money from dark sources that don't have to reveal who they are?

Who wouldn't let his state actually report COVID information because it made him look bad?

People like him are who the founding fathers figured The People would take care of, with tar and feathers and ride them out on a rail.

Allowing rich people to rule the world is how the reThugs roll, you want to be on their side, get off a Democratic board.

tRump got rid of anyone who challenged him too.

Technically legal, but unethical as hell and broke the government which is supposed to protect people from dictators.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
16. It's NOT paranoid to doubt election integrity when a GOV is taking dark money and covering it up.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:27 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2022/09/06/desantis-targets-voters-not-dark-money-in-election-fraud-probe/

Over the past year, Juno Beach-based Florida Power & Light — a multibillion-dollar company headquartered 43 miles east and a world away from Grant’s small home — has been the subject of a torrent of news stories revealing how its political consultants funneled money through nonprofit groups and shell companies to manipulate elections and finance attacks on the utility’s political foes.

Election law experts told the Times/Herald the payments were a potential violation of state campaign finance laws that ban the use of straw donors to shield the true source of campaign funds, as well as federal tax rules for nonprofits.

When asked whether those schemes would be investigated by the Office of Election Crimes and Security, Mark Ard, spokesperson for the office, said: “Violations of campaign financing ... are generally referred to the Florida Elections Commission.”

Among the recipients of the funds was DeSantis’ 2018 campaign. According to leaked documents, his political committee received $25,000, channeled through a nonprofit that didn’t have to reveal its donors.

GreenWave

(6,712 posts)
2. Gloria al bravo pueblo venezolano
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:13 PM
Sep 2022

And remember how Death Sentence mocked the only humble request...
el pobre en su choza. libertad pidio.

Biophilic

(3,644 posts)
4. You people believed the fucker? You're idiots. Open your eyes, actually look around you and LISTEN
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:19 PM
Sep 2022

to what they say and more importantly, what they do.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
6. AND DeSuckFace will just say, "Well, they can get jobs there."
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:26 PM
Sep 2022

Because ALL Latinos just love working in hotels, right?


Get rid of that rePUKE-lian

Demovictory9

(32,445 posts)
7. One Venezuelan migrant who identified himself as Luis, 27, said he and nine relatives were promised
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:29 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-governor-florida-flies-migrants-marthas-vineyard-political-stunt-2022-09-15/

One Venezuelan migrant who identified himself as Luis, 27, said he and nine relatives were promised a flight to Massachusetts, along with shelter, support for 90 days, help with work permits and English lessons. He said they were surprised when their flight landed on an island.

He said the promises came from a woman who gave her name as "Perla" who approached his family on the street outside a San Antonio shelter after they crossed from Mexico and U.S. border authorities released them with an immigration court date.

Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
11. Originally the news reports indicated that the flights to Martha's Vineyard came from Florida
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:12 PM
Sep 2022

This article says that they came from Texas, and that DeSantis merely took credit for them.

KS Toronado

(17,189 posts)
23. Flight left San Antonio
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 11:07 PM
Sep 2022

landed in the panhandle of Florida and then flew to Martha's Vineyard. Probably because DeSantis
had some evil plan where he could take credit for being the "hero" in owning the libs simply
because the plane touched down and flew out of Florida. If the plane had flown "as the crow flies"
it would have used a lot less fuel.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
8. A lawyer on MSNBC calls it HUMAN TRAFFICKING...
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:59 PM
Sep 2022



Lebang Moloi@lebang_moloi·2h
Harry Litman: "DeSantis used taxpayer money to fly immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. Abbott trucked two busloads of immigrants to VP Harris' DC home. What DeSantis and Abbott are doing is illegal."

That's human trafficking..

#DeadlineWH #MSNBC

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. "He told us he would support immigrant communities"
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:04 PM
Sep 2022

The folks DeSantis trafficked north (in a move reminiscent of the anti-freedom riders sponsored by the White Citizens Council 60 years ago) weren't even in Florida, they were in Texas. Apparently DeSantis has $12 million at his disposal to charter jets from Texas to Massachusetts. Is this how Florida taxpayers want their money spent?

GB_RN

(2,347 posts)
24. Actually...
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 03:43 PM
Sep 2022

The law stipulates that he can only use the money to move people as long as the transportation originates out of Florida. So, to get around this, the planes made a quick stop in Florida and then flew on to Martha's Vineyard.

So, he's technically in violation of the law. Will the Florida legislature show any spine and stand up to him? Seeing as how they caved on his demand to illegally racially gerrymander a Black Democrat out of office (he vetoed the legislature's map, saying it was an illegal racial gerrymander), I highly doubt it.

appmanga

(571 posts)
12. This is interesting...
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:15 PM
Sep 2022

...and if it's a view held by a large number of Venezuelan-Americans and emigres, that could be very meaningful for the election.

GB_RN

(2,347 posts)
25. On Electoral-Vote.com Today...
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 03:48 PM
Sep 2022

They were alternating between names, calling him Evel DeSantis and Ron Knievel (as in Evel Knievel, the motorcycle stuntman), because as you say, all they have are stunts.

Of course, due to the nature of the stunt, and his other shenanigans/policies while in office, there's also the implied evil from the pronunciation of Evel, so the pun works, too.

Gore1FL

(21,126 posts)
26. Let's hope the GOP ends up with their political bones shattered
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 04:32 PM
Sep 2022

in the same way Evel Knievel did to his actual bones in the course of his career.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
17. Well gee, maybe if they actually paid attention to what DeSatan DID in the past
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 08:29 PM
Sep 2022

And NOT what he SAID he'd do, they'd have realized he's a fucking scorpion.

*flips table*

keithbvadu2

(36,749 posts)
20. Right wingers have claimed that the immigrants were bringing diseases.
Thu Sep 15, 2022, 09:22 PM
Sep 2022

Right wingers have claimed that the immigrants were bringing diseases.

Did they check these new people?

Are they just human trafficking diseases to somewhere else?

intheflow

(28,461 posts)
33. Human trafficking is a disease all by itself.
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 03:08 PM
Sep 2022

No need to spout the “illegal aliens are dirty” line here. I mean, if human trafficking doesn’t bother them, and they balk at masking up in a pandemic, what makes you think they’d be appalled by spreading disease to “the libruls”? The cruelty is the point.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
27. As a resident of Miami-Dade county
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 07:57 AM
Sep 2022

I can't help noticing that there has been no response from the Cuban community to the singling out of Venezuelans....

RandiFan1290

(6,229 posts)
28. Cubans are also coming across the Southern Border
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:57 AM
Sep 2022

They are selectively not sending them out of the State.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
29. Surprise! Ted Cruz is "Cuban"...
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:09 AM
Sep 2022

I have no doubt that what you say is true. Targeting Venezuelans because the ones arriving at the border aren't the "right kind" of Venezuelans.

The "right kind" of Venezuelans fly into MIA and Uber to their Condos in Brickell or their investment properties in Doral.

The contrast in attitudes by Florida is disgusting.

RandiFan1290

(6,229 posts)
30. And Venezuelans can file stronger cases of asylum
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:26 AM
Sep 2022

just like the Cuban seekers.

There is no way Texas and Florida would have taken the chance of sending any Cubans out of the state.
I am just glad this is blowing up in their faces.

In It to Win It

(8,231 posts)
31. That's true. I live in South Florida and many Cubans that I know
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:55 AM
Sep 2022

came to the US through US-Mexico border.

It’s funny that I read the right wing comments on other sites, and they’ll take Cubans all day long. According to them, they are “hardworking” and “have something to contribute” and they are looking for freedom in the USA.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
32. Evelyn Prez, There is no time to cry. It's not about crying. It's about doing something about this.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 03:15 PM
Sep 2022

Todos los venezolanos en Florida necesitan vota este mes de Noviembre.

DeSantis' stunt just cost him the election. I wonder if this pissed off the
Cubans in Florida too.

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