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(3,213 posts)I freakin hate this country.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)triron
(21,999 posts)Objective is delay.
agingdem
(7,849 posts)does that mean the special master does nothing until the 11th circuit renders an opinion?
former9thward
(31,987 posts)The 11th circuit would have to issue a stay on the case. That has not happened as of now.
viva la
(3,289 posts)Really, what part of "top-secret" doesn't she understand?
The DOJ and the intel agencies need to figure out what Trump's done with these documents. But she acts like this is something that will damage Trump? Well, yeah, if he sold documents, it SHOULD damage him.
But there's no reason that there would be any privilege anyway on those documents, because they weren't his, they weren't his lawyers.
The "privilege" is that "if the DOJ can't have them, it'll delay the time Trump's actions are clearly known."
I hope the 11th Circuit has some rational judges who rationally beat her about the head with scorn and contempt.
underpants
(182,788 posts)rubbersole
(6,688 posts)New Breed Leader
(623 posts)fuckkkk.
DET
(1,308 posts)Cannon also gave Special Master Dearie until the end of November to review all the documents. I sure hope the DOJ appeals this, but it will almost inevitably go up to the Supreme Court - and who knows what will happen there. Delay, delay,delay. This judge needs to go.
viva la
(3,289 posts)And if he cares about national security, he will immediately glance at the 100 classified docs and turn them over, "Done!"
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)gab13by13
(21,321 posts)our judiciary is full of Magat judges, including in the 11th circuit. Unfuckingbelievable.
DOJ seems to be 1 step behind all of the time. Heck, we don't even know what documents Trump stole. If he stole 1 foreign countries nuclear assessment, why would he steal the other 7 country's?
I'm going to watch football, go to bed and dream about a DOJ indictment, and play golf tomorrow.
lostnfound
(16,177 posts)Ive heard innocuous explanation for their decision but its not hard to picture that they have their doubts.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Can they look at the crap fest going on here, declare it ILLEGAL AF and toss out the special master and discipline the partisan judge?
gab13by13
(21,321 posts)Trump will appeal to the Supreme Court. Delay, delay, is the name of the game.
This is why time is so important. We aren't even sure where DOJ is in its investigations? Early on? Mid? Preparing for an indictment?
The J6 committee got more done with less resources, less power, and less manpower.
The pyramid strategy has been a failure because it was too time consuming.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Maybe they want him to keep thinking he can run and pull the rug out from under him so the REICH scrambles to find a replacement, then the mob attacks, gets put down by the National Guard, Army et all and Biden has 4 more years to clean up the shit piled up from TFG and Kamala has another 8 to actually make things happen.
Dream big or go home, right?
rubbersole
(6,688 posts)What's in the documents isn't the issue. It's why were they there in the first place is the treason case. Dems get both chambers of congress with 55 senators and expand the SC. Putin should be gone by then and unicorns will be farting glitter.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)rubbersole
(6,688 posts)Lovie777
(12,257 posts)I have come to the conclusion that shithole will one way or another get indicted.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)This idiot wants to be reversed
Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)This opinion is
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TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)I'm not a lawyer, but I've read hundreds of court documents (during the SCO v Everybody days) and never encountered anything from a judge that was so unsupported.
Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)And trust me, I've seen some shit rulings.
rubbersole
(6,688 posts)Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)Still amazed that I never slipped and cursed during court proceedings as I have quite the potty mouth.
True story: Was representing a guy for a bank robbery. Evidence showed that the co-defendant did the robbery without my client knowing. I asked my client on the stand what he thought when he found out the co-D robbed the bank. His answer? "That's the stupidest motherfucker in the whole world."
I did repeat that testimony gleefully to the jury. He was acquitted after a 30 minute deliberation.
rubbersole
(6,688 posts)If you can't say anything - attorney/client privilege - blink once for yes...
Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)rubbersole
(6,688 posts)Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)rubbersole
(6,688 posts)instead of "slick" motherfucker. I have just gotten "motherfucker" to pop up in autocorrect after using it for over a year on this phone. A personal milestone of sorts. The phone still gives me a check ✔️ mark instead of "hell". But Nevilledog, you are a cool, smart motherfucker!
Nevilledog
(51,086 posts)I trained my autocorrect. It gives me a variation of "fuck" for just about every word I type.
Heaven forbid I ever need to warn someone to duck. (Yes, I had to force the word duck....lol)
rubbersole
(6,688 posts)Beachnutt
(7,320 posts)while this plays out.
gab13by13
(21,321 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)kacekwl
(7,016 posts)I've heard all year. No reason in the world for that not to happen.
gab13by13
(21,321 posts)I just tune in to see what Joy Reid is wearing and then I flip the channel.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)adopted this theory and are using it to defend him, and the judge appears to be a fan of the theory, too. Here's a quickie summation of that theory (Wikipedia):
The Vesting Clause of Article II provides, "The executive Power [of the United States] shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." Proponents of the unitary executive theory argue that this language, along with the Take Care Clause ("The President shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed ...), creates a "hierarchical, unified executive department under the direct control of the President."[4]
The general principle that the President controls the entire executive branch was originally rather innocuous, but extreme forms of the theory have developed. Former White House Counsel John Dean explains: "In its most extreme form, unitary executive theory can mean that neither Congress nor the federal courts can tell the President what to do or how to do it, particularly regarding national security matters."[5]
Despite that drumpf is no longer president, he's asserting that taking whatever documents he wanted to take with him, whether classified or not, was within his sole discretion because he was the president at the time he took those actions.
We can only hope the 11th Circuit doesn't abide by the theory.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Orange puke, can not be trusted with classified information since he is BFF's with dictators, pardoned murders, thieves and racketeers.
The orange man is a threat to this nation and should take up residence in GITMO.
scipan
(2,349 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)She cites things in support of her (alleged) reasoning that actually PROVE HER WRONG.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)I am shocked that this idiot is willing to hold that ex-presidents are in a special class
Link to tweet
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)dalton99a
(81,466 posts)EndlessWire
(6,518 posts)All around the lawyersphere, this judge is being soundly denounced as "not understanding." Well, I think she gets it. She understands that she is working for Trump.
The Gov attorneys bent over backwards to explain the matter to her, like teachers to a student. So, I guess they will file an appeal. I hope it's 50 pages long with lots of exhibits. She should have to read it.
Trump appears to be above the law. He's getting special handling. And, he is still threatening us with violence, and able to get away with it. Meantime, we are waiting for Midterms. It is clear that nothing is going to happen.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)EndlessWire
(6,518 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)DET
(1,308 posts)but increasingly I just want these horrible people to suffer for what theyre putting our country through.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Cha
(297,180 posts)cannon
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)And leave the rest of us who want to live in the United States and not a religious fascist totalitarian hell hole alone? Please?
Emile
(22,700 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,152 posts)kentuck
(111,085 posts)...then they will likely decide rather quickly.
If they lean toward the Judge's decision, they may take a little longer.
If they do not have a decision in a week, I would be concerned that they are all in Trump's pocket.