Holy "effing" crap! The immigrant stunt flights originated at a military base??!!

[maxrandb]

I understand they took off from Joint Air Base San Antonio-Lackland?

Time for some heads to roll. Starting with the Base Commander.

Charter jets don't just land and take off from military bases without the military knowing what the fuck they are doing there, their purpose for being there and where the fuck they are going.

Who in the Air Force coordinated this shit?

Who in the Air Force filed the flight plans?

Who in the Air Force vetted the passengers for security and national security concerns?

And, I sure as hell hope these weren't military aircraft.

And, if they are contracted Air Mobility Command aircraft, that private company needs to have all DoD contracts cancelled TODAY!

Today, RIGHT NOW, not tomorrow, not in a minute, and not in a fucking second, but RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, the entire flight schedule at this Air Force Base needs to be shut the fuck down pending an Article 32 Investigation.

Someone at this Air Force Base needs to be reminded just who their Commander-in-Chief is.

These flights could only have occurred with the support and approval of SENIOR MILITARY OFFICERS.

Like I said, HEADS NEED TO FUCKING ROLL!

What happens next? Can a dipshit Governor have insurrectionists flown from a FUCKING MILITARY AIR BASE to fucking Joint Base Dulles?

Sorry for cussing like the Sailor I was, but this is some seriously scary shit.

[Lars39]

1. K & R

Good grief!

[Raine1967]

2. Where was this reported?

I'm still on my firest cuppa coffee and haven't heard of this until I read your post.

Thanks in advance.
Raine

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Most likely everywhere. DeSantis sending insuspecting

Immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. But he first got them from Texas. They were told they were expediting their citizenship

[Hekate]

74. The bit about where the charter planes took off was in a post here last night...

I went, “Wait — what?!” But I was very tired, and at that moment there was no further comment from anywhere. I’m glad to see the OP in this thread is bright-eyed and bushy-tailed this morning.

[Raine1967]

81. Thank you. NT

[KarenS]

3. This is all getting scarey. n/t

[secondwind]

4. Wow, I hadn't heard about that part. yikes 😬

[inthewind21]

92. Because

It's not true.

[malaise]

5. K & R

This is huge

[Abnredleg]

6. Provide Proof or it didn't happen

I found nothing that shows this to be true.

Edit.

I did find proof, but the OP is misleading. Kelly field is a joint-use field controlled by the Port of San Antonio, with a few military units stationed there. It is not a military base.

[maxrandb]

11. Here is a link from San Antonio Report

Balding is mine

https://sanantonioreport.org/migrant-recruited-fill-flight-san-antonio-marthas-vineyard/

Perla informed me that in those sanctuary states, the state has the benefits to help migrants,” Emmanuel said in Spanish over the phone. “I’ve just been the mediator because I like to help people.”

Roughly 50 migrants recruited from around the resource center were reportedly placed on a pair of chartered flights that left Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland on Wednesday and flew to Florida and at least one other stop before landing in Martha’s Vineyard.

[Abnredleg]

12. Kelly is a not a military base

Joint- use means that it is used for commercial uses as well as military. Boeing is one of the largest employers at the field, and general aviation regularly uses it.

It is NOT a military controlled field - it is run by the Port of San Antonio.

[maxrandb]

18. That is NOT true

Here is the current "owner/operator" of the Airfield

Owner: Department of Defense
Operator: United States Air Force
Controlled by: Air Education and Training Command
Condition:Operational
Website: Official website (Joint Base San Antonio)

Part of the former Air Force Base that contains hangars, warehouses and housing was transferred to the San Antonio Port Authority. In fact, some of the hangars and housing were used for Katrina evacuees, but, make no mistake,

The runways, Control Tower, and flights are controlled by the Air Force.

[Abnredleg]

21. It's a joint-use base

The military may own the aviation facilities but the runway is also used by private companies. In other words, it’s not the same as a military base that has complete control over what occurs.

My point is that the military was not involved in planning or approving the flights.

[SilasSouleII]

75. I live in San Antonio

That "airbase", formerly known as Kelly Air Force Base, is now a civilian operated aircraft maintenance and technology center known as Port San Antonio. They share the airfields with Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland, formerly known as Lackland Air Force Base. "Joint Base" means that it is a Joint Forces base(Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Space Force). Port San Antonio provides thousands of civilian jobs to the City of San Antonio, including my son..

[lapfog_1]

19. their website begs to differ.

Joint Base San Antonio
The Premier Installation In The Department Of Defense

An official website of the United States government

ironic news of the day from JBSA

JointBaseSanAntonio
@JBSA_Official
#HispanicHeritageMonth is observed from 15 September - 15 October. Hispanics have a profound and positive influence on our country. They have enhanced and shaped our national character with traditions that reflect the multi-ethnic and multicultural customs of their community.

[Abnredleg]

25. Joint Base San Antonio has numerous locations

One of which is Kelly, which is a joint-use base, ie. it is used by military and private aircraft. Private aircraft fly in and out of the base routinely.

[maxrandb]

40. Current FAA filing

Airport Ownership and Management from official FAA records
Ownership: U.S. Air Force
Owner: U.S. AIR FORCE
502 ABW & JOINT BASE SAN ANTONIO
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78234
Phone [phone]
Manager: 502 OSS
2261 HUGHES AVE., SUITE 107
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78236-9805
Phone [phone]
FOR CIVILIAN OPERATIONS, CONTACT PORT OPERATIONS 210-362-7875.

So, yes, civilians can operate from Kelly Airfield through Air Force Port Operations.

This field is owned and operated by DoD

[moonshinegnomie]

46. the port of san antonio disagrees ans says its theirs

https://www.portsanantonio.us/industrial-airport

[Abnredleg]

51. 90% of the flights are general aviation

Note the Facility Use: Public in the FAA data sheet.

Yes, it is owned by the DOD, but it is a civilian airport for all intents and purposes. The rules are different for the 42 joint-use airports in the country. The DOD doesn’t care who flies into these bases - that’s the whole point of joint-use bases.


https://adip.faa.gov/agis/public/#/airportData/SKF

[questionseverything]

103. The video of the lawyer at Martha's Vineyard said

Twas dod involved in falsifying paperwork

[Abnredleg]

104. I heard it was Homeland Security

Which doesn’t surprise me.

[questionseverything]

105. Well either way it's some federal agency so all this fighting

About if the airport is federal or private doesn’t matter much if federal agents are overseeing the process

[wnylib]

125. Of course. Isn't ICE under the jurisdiction of HS?

[Abnredleg]

129. Yes

[TigressDem]

113. Here is a map. Kelly AFB is on the right side of the screen.

But MOST everything has military detail. It's like just this tiny hub for the civilian portion.

https://goo.gl/maps/bZS2kjvFwipTAE9F7



No it still says Air Force Base. Sorry.

[LeftInTX]

115. No it isn't. It's mixed use.

Google maps isn't the authority.
Hubby grew up near Kelly
We were out near there today. Google kept telling us to get on Harriman Rd. We were lost. It turns out that Harriman han't been around for 50 years. It's been replaced by a freeway access road.

[maxrandb]

54. They fly in and out routinely

through coordination with the Air Force that owns the Air Field

[stopdiggin]

85. are you trying to claim that Air Force

screens/monitors all civilian traffic, and freight, that uses this airport? Checking each manifest and flight plan?

Because that is the essence of the claim, "had to have known!" From what other posters are saying - it sounds like that that claim really isn't supported.

If it turns out that military brass did know, and/or cooperate and coordinate - then it's time to get all hair on fire and blow a fuse. In the meantime - appears like there plenty of scumbag targets standing around in plain sight.

[maxrandb]

114. I am not saying that. Master Sgt. White is saying that

From the Joint Base Lackland-Kelly Field website (balding is mine)

"The 502nd Operational Support Squadron provides every aircraft that comes through Joint Base San Antonio-Kelly Field with world class support services including: airfield management services, air traffic control, weather forecasting and warning services, operations scheduling, and flight records management.

“The 502nd OSS handles all of the logistical movement in and out this field,” said Master Sgt. Adam White, 502nd OSS superintendent. “It's a massive task here because this airfield is a major hub for a lot of different economic, contingency, and training operations.”

-------------------------------------------------------

And I was stationed at 3 Joint Bases at some point in my time in the Navy, and Yes! It was our job to know what was coming in and out of the airfield.

[stopdiggin]

121. ah - so they had passenger lists, all relevant documents

(and probably checked the bags as well?)

See - there are 10-15 people on this string alone (some with personal knowledge of this particular airfield) that are saying, "Nope."

[SilasSouleII]

76. Kelly Air Force Base closed many years ago.

It has been redeveloped into a CIVILIAN maintenence and and technology center known as Port San Antonio.

[Gruenemann]

60. Lackland, not Kelly

Not that it makes that much difference.

[Angleae]

122. Incorrect. Joint base means several bases merged under the same base command.

Joint base San Antonio consists of Kelly AFB, Lackland AFB, Randolph AFB, and Fort Sam Houston. The DoD started doing this a couple decades ago. The mission units remain as is but the base units (civil engineering, security, BX/PX, commissary, etc) were all placed under a single joint command eliminating the extra HQ units(usually commanded by a full bird colonel).

[Jack the Greater]

48. When you follow the "reportedly" link at that site you find nothing about jets leaving from JBSAL

Zilch

"Roughly 50 migrants recruited from around the resource center were reportedly placed on a pair of chartered flights that left Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland on Wednesday and flew to Florida and at least one other stop before landing in Martha’s Vineyard."

[LeftInTX]

57. It isn't a military base

I live in San Antonio

It's a former military base.
Long story.

[Jack the Greater]

47. Exactly

This is how rumors that come back to bite you in the ass are started.

[flamingdem]

7. DeSantis has his corrupt generals all lined up

Dayum

[asiliveandbreathe]

8. Righteous rant..HEADS NEED TO FUCKING ROLL!

https://democraticunderground.com/10142969858

Kelly Field is a former AF base.
It is a federal government contractor-secure site.
It is not available for commercial aviation.
It is where the president lands when he flies into San Antonio.
It is also a maintenance site for large military planes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Field

[Raine1967]

10. Thank you for providing broader context.

I appreciate that. I wasn't aware of what Kelly Field was.

[moonshinegnomie]

15. it is used commercially and is owned by the port of san anotnio

https://www.portsanantonio.us/industrial-airport

[asiliveandbreathe]

31. Is this where I insert my bad??..Seems lots of changes over the years..with DHS

still on prem..check for incoming whatever, and a blind eye to the movement of PEOPLE..

For the record..

The Port Authority of San Antonio (doing business as Port San Antonio) is a public entity created to redevelop some of the land formerly occupied by Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. Over 80 tenant customers lease facilities on the 1,900-acre campus and employ nearly 16,000 people.

Jim Perschbach, Port San Antonio's President and CEO since 2018, oversees day-to-day activities.

[LeftInTX]

123. Kelly AFB was a crown jewel in San Antonio

It was primarily a civil service base when it was part of the DOD. It was a huge aircraft maintenance facility that provided thousands of civil service jobs for many Mexican-Americans. It helped many escape poverty.
In 1996, after much protesting from the Mexican-American Community, the Base Realignment And Closure Committee decided to close Kelly. It was a very sad day.
Much of the back and forth with different agencies and local government has been an attempt to mitigate the harm that was done to the community by the closing of Kelly AFB.
Hence there is a heavy focus on government contracts. The city is heavily invested in Port San Antonio for obvious reasons.

[Raine1967]

9. If this is correct, Flight Aware shows it took off from Kelly Field in Texas.

again who is reporting this information that you posted?

This is my source, FWIW:

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=AJ6WDoEkz9hkudQQDtC4ng

This is the alleged flight path: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UJC59/history/20220914/1200Z/KSKF/KCEW

[TheBlackAdder]

24. A good flight plan specifies SOBs (souls on board) and passenger names for each leg of the flight.

.

Gotta know how many to look for if it crashes.

.

[LeftInTX]

116. Yes, it took off from Kelly Field.

Passenger flights out of Kelly are non-commercial. For instant, we get lots of Afghan refugees etc. However the military is not always aware who is coming and going on planes. They may have noticed immigrants, but it is not unusual for immigrants to be on chartered flights. For instance, they would not know whether the immigrants were being sent to host families or were being dumped by DeSantis

[Cracklin Charlie]

13. Texas.

Not surprising.

What kinda operation is Abbott running out there in west Texas? Lots of shit originating from there.

[inthewind21]

89. Ummmm

West Texas? Did San Antonio move?

[SilasSouleII]

94. No one informed me

San Antonio native here.

[inthewind21]

96. Me either

Dallas native here.

[tazkcmo]

99. Dallas, San Antonio and El Paso

I seem to remember them hundreds and hundreds of miles apart. Admittedly I am older now and my mind isn't as sharp as it used to be so maybe it was just a couple of blocks.

[LeftInTX]

117. I'm sitting at the McDonald's at Woodlawn and Bandera

Charging my phone.

Don't come here.
No ice
No condiments
Place stinks..lol
Something is up

[SilasSouleII]

132. Been there twice in one visit

The first time and the last time.

[LeftInTX]

135. It was the worst McDonald's ever

I needed to charge my phone because I was using it to canvass (for Democrats, of course!)

I scoped McDonald's first to see if I could find an outlet and I found them. But the place looked bad even on inspection. I texted hubby to come in.

We both ordered crispy chicken sandwiches. The sandwich alone was $4.59. All it consisted of was a chicken patty, two pickles and a burnt bun. No condiments, no lettuce or tomato etc. The condiment bar was empty. Hubby waited in line to get a few packs of ketchup. We both ordered water and it was warm. No ice. The food was school cafeteria quality.

After we left, I said, "I should have checked out Pizza Patron. The food would have probably been better." Hubby agreed.

[Cracklin Charlie]

111. Where is it?

South Texas? Central Texas? I’ve been there a dozen times.

Texas is so damn big.

But what the hell is Abbott up to?

[moonshinegnomie]

14. they took off from kelly airfield

as far as i can tell a big chunk of the former base is now owned by the port of san antonio and is used commercially
https://www.portsanantonio.us/industrial-airport

[YoshidaYui]

16. LETS HOPE THE heads that roll are

Abbott and DeSantis--- fuckers...

[BlackSkimmer]

17. When I was at Lackland years ago, there were no runways.

Lackland is where everyone goes for Basic training, but there are no airplanes there, except for the ones bolted to the ground.

It was a joke the Training Instructors would play on us new recruits. Sometime during the first week, they'd ask us if heard the planes taking off throughout the night. Some poor recruit would always nod yes emphatically. Then the TIs would have a good laugh.

Now perhaps that's changed since I was there, but I doubt it. This post made me giggle.

[LeftInTX]

62. That was years ago!

No runway at Lackland
Kelly was a few miles east of Lackland.
Kelly was closed 1994-2000
If you were at Lackland, you saw the Kelly jets!
Or before 1955, the Kelly prop jobs.

[Farmer-Rick]

22. Wow, yup, it looks like the Airport is manned and operated by the Air Force

Air Force knew about this and approved it? Or it could have been hidden under the radar of the top brass, but now everyone knows. Heads need to roll.

[Abnredleg]

26. It's a joint-use base

Civilian aircraft routinely fly in and out of the base.

[maxrandb]

29. Sure, next time you're out flying

try to land there without coordinating with the Air Force

[moonshinegnomie]

32. its owned by the port of san antonio

https://www.portsanantonio.us/industrial-airport

[maxrandb]

41. The current FAA filing disagrees with you

Airport Ownership and Management from official FAA records
Ownership: U.S. Air Force
Owner: U.S. AIR FORCE
502 ABW & JOINT BASE SAN ANTONIO
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78234
Phone [phone]
Manager: 502 OSS
2261 HUGHES AVE., SUITE 107
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78236-9805
Phone [phone]
FOR CIVILIAN OPERATIONS, CONTACT PORT OPERATIONS 210-362-7875.

[Abnredleg]

35. It's not an issue

Given that 90% of the flights into Kelly are itinerant general aviation aircraft.

[link:https://adip.faa.gov/agis/public/#/airportData/SKF|

[Farmer-Rick]

34. Yeah, no doubt

And that's probably why it went under the radar. But a flight dispatcher or other authority knew about it and approved it.

They need to answer why they felt these immigrant were safe to fly out thousands of miles away. They may have been lied to too.

[LeftInTX]

58. Not really. Immigrants are often put on flights and sent to host families

[Farmer-Rick]

63. Yeah and someone would have had to told them that.

There had to be a cover story.

[AllaN01Bear]

23. censured and explitive deleted .

[flying_wahini]

27. I have a bad idea. Somebody roll Abbott onto a plane by lying to him. Take away any cash

and credit cards and see how he likes it. Make sure the perpetrators get Lots of cash for doing it.

[70sEraVet]

39. Don't forget to give him a couple of cans of sardines to snack on!

(I had read somewhere that that was what they gave the hungry immigrants)

[spanone]

30. K&R

[hamsterjill]

33. Fellow DU'er LeftInTx reported this yesterday.

Here’s the link to the article she posted:

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/marthas-vineyard-san-antonio-flights-17443733.php

[Evolve Dammit]

36. MSM silent on this so far?

[Abnredleg]

37. The OP is misleading

Kelly is not a regular military base, but rather a joint-use facility with the vast majority of flights being general aviation.

https://adip.faa.gov/agis/public/#/airportData/SKF

[maxrandb]

45. This is directly from what you posted

Owner Information (AIR FORCE)
U.S. AIR FORCE
502 ABW & JOINT BASE SAN ANTONIO
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78234
[phone]

Manager Information
502 OSS
2261 HUGHES AVE., SUITE 107
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78236-9805
210-925-5880

And who is 502 OSS? Well that too is an Air Force command

The 502nd Operational Support Squadron provides every aircraft that comes through Joint Base San Antonio-Kelly Field with world class support services including: airfield management services, air traffic control, weather forecasting and warning services, operations scheduling, and flight records management.



“The 502nd OSS handles all of the logistical movement in and out this field,” said Master Sgt. Adam White, 502nd OSS superintendent. “It's a massive task here because this airfield is a major hub for a lot of different economic, contingency, and training operations.”

[Abnredleg]

59. Flight Base Operations are private

Fueling and maintenance is run by Atlantic Aviation, which makes sense given the vast majority of flights into Kelly are itinerate general aviation aircraft. Yes, the AF manages the base, but the civilian operations have been contracted out. 502nd is there for military users.

https://acukwik.com/FBO-Listing/KSKF/ATLANTIC-AVIATION

[LeftInTX]

64. Kelly is a closed AFB

It closed in 2000

[inthewind21]

90. SMH

[True Blue American]

131. Ali Velshi is on it!

Homeland Security agents faked the addresses!

[Evolve Dammit]

133. JHC

[Baitball Blogger]

38. What part of this is hard to understand?

It's Florida. The status quo skirts the government process, using their social networks, to do whatever the fuck they want to do.

If there is one glitch to this it is that crossing state lines, and now using a military airport puts them firmly in Federal jurisdiction. The question is, is anyone on the Federal level going to do anything about it?

[Jack the Greater]

65. The flights originated from Texas, not Florida.

[Baitball Blogger]

67. Then why are we reading headlines like the one below?

Florida Flies 2 Planeloads of Migrants to Martha’s Vineyard

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/us/desantis-florida-migrants-marthas-vineyard.html

Is Florida and Texas now colluding together? And this makes it better?

De Santis has taken credit for this situation, regardless of where the planes originated. Frankly, it makes this even a crazier scenario if he got involved with another State's jurisdiction. It only opens itself for more questions. Are the red states now banding together, forming their own unions?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/immigrants-land-marthas-vineyard-floridas-desantis-takes-credit-2022-09-15/

[radical noodle]

69. I gathered that DeSantis paid for it

probably because he thought he'd throw a little more red meat to the base. I hope it backfires. Spending Florida's money on the removal of immigrants from Texas should be against the law.

In the long run, I hope those folks will be better off for having been taken to Martha's Vineyard. At least it seems they're in friendlier surroundings.

[Baitball Blogger]

71. Floridians should be flaming mad that he's using our money for other states.

But we know Ron De Santis' reasoning. He wants to run for president.

I also hope it backfires on him.

[radical noodle]

127. This Floridian is flaming mad

and sickened at the thought that he wants to be president. We already know how easily voters can be fooled into voting for jerks like him.

[niyad]

84. desatan did NOT "pay for it", the taxpayers* are. 12 MILLION for two private

planes holding a total of 48 trafficked human beings???? SOMEBODY is getting a HUGE kickback.

* taxpayers in flori-duh AND Mass, and ultimately the rest of us.

[radical noodle]

126. Yes, I guess I wasn't clear about that

although I said it was Florida's money. Obviously he's not going to spend a dime of his own money when he can steal the money of taxpayers.

I swear I think he's worse than trump.

[Jack the Greater]

79. Because Florida organized and funded the flights...

...flights that originated in Texas.

[Baitball Blogger]

82. I know that now. This gets crazier and crazier.

As a Floridian who pays taxes, I am more pissed today, than I was yesterday.

[Hortensis]

77. Usually excitable threads start with excited reaction but no additional info,

but then a bunch of posts later thoughtful people start posting explanation that lets most of the gas out of the bag. So I looked toward the bottom to be informed, and...?

I'm not going to delve into this because it's probably going to turn out to be technical and I'll wait for experts to weigh in.

But I do quickly see that under Biden in 2021 (and maybe something started before?), the TX air base, and likely others in its system, began to be used for emergency shelter of unaccompanied immigrant children. Don't know what other related uses may have developed, but we can assume there're bureaucracy, food, shelter, etc, for needy immigrants in place there.

So the immigrant-air base connection is not a completely outrageous stretch. What I want to know is, was putting it to this use illegal? It seems likely to have been a severe ethical breach at very least because everything else about this was, but...are the involved asses covered or exposed for some whupping?

[Baitball Blogger]

78. We are wondering the same thing.

This issue deserves further investigation and as long as it stays in the media, it is going to snowball and hit De Santis in the face.

[Hortensis]

83. Yes! "Cruel" is a word I'm seeing while we wait for "illegal" and others.

Also there's discussion of "trafficking," which is the first thing that came to my mind when I first heard of this. The term itself is also valuable because everyone associates that with evil deeds, even MAGAs.

[uponit7771]

112. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... but yes, there will be investigations on the federal level ... investigation

[dlk]

42. DeSantis has shown us the humanity of Democrats and why Republicans are unfit to govern

Republican cruelty knows no limits

[Progressive dog]

43. Former air force base.

Kelly field is a former air force base in San Antonio.

[Jack the Greater]

44. "I understand they took off from Joint Air Base San Antonio-Lackland?"

How exactly do you "understand" that? The internet news says absolutely nothing to this effect.

[maxrandb]

49. So, I provided a link

I also have provided the current FAA filing for Kelly Airfield.

The Airfield these flights originated from is owned and operated by the Air Force, and an Air Force Command, 502ND OSS controls all logistics and flights in and out of Kelly Airfield.

Despite a bunch of folks trying to play this down with;

"It's a joint base"

"Civilian flights operate there all the time"

"Nothing to see here"

Are unable to dispute that this airfield is owned and operated by the DoD.

That means that ANY flight, military, civilian, contracted, etc., out of or into this airfield is coordinated, filed and supported by the DOD.

[Jack the Greater]

55. That site is WRONG

...as I pointed out in another post on this thread. The link provided on that site to back up the claim provided NOTHING to back up that claim.

[James48]

72. No- not At ALL.

Last edited Fri Sep 16, 2022, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)

“ That means that ANY flight, military, civilian, contracted, etc., out of or into this airfield is coordinated, filed and supported by the DOD.” You wrote.

No, it doesn’t mean that AT ALL.

It’s a JOINT USE, which means ANYONE of the public can fly in or fly out when ever they want.

You obviously have never been a pilot, have you?

There are dozens of Joint Use facilities- OpEN to public use. All you have to do, when the tower is open, it’s to report inbound.
When there is no tower, you don’t have to do A THING to get permission. No permission required.

[stopdiggin]

86. thanks. +1

opinions are one thing ...
assertions of fact - that just simply aren't ...

[James48]

50. wrong information

That airfield is a JOINT USE facility, meaning CIVILIAN OPERATIONS ARE PERMITTED.


It's actually MUCH MORE a civilian airport than a military one.

Kelly Field:

Aircraft operations: avg 71/month *
93% transient general aviation
6% local general aviation
LESS THAN 1% military flights.

[James48]

52. Note:

We need to be able to flag FALSE INFORAMATION- so that it can be reviewed. How do you do that?

[CrispyQ]

101. On the original post, to the far left of "Reply to thread" is an "Alert abuse" feature. -nt

[James48]

102. I know that.

But when you alert, there isn’t a choice of “this information is false”.

It’s not against DU rules to post false information, apparently. Unless I am missing something.

[dalton99a]

53. Kick

[Captain Zero]

56. Maybe it's time to CLOSE that airbase

nt

[LeftInTX]

61. It was closed in 1994-2000

It took a long time to close and was heartbreaking because it was a major employer for many Mexican-Americans. Kelly AFB was a huge aircraft maintenance and repair base which hired many civil service employees. It was a ticket out of poverty for them. My father in law was one of them. It was a very sad day when it closed.

[SilasSouleII]

73. No

That "airbase", formerly known as Kelly Air Force Base, is now a civilian operated aircraft maintenance and technology center known as Port San Antonio. They share the airfields with Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland, formerly known as Lackland Air Force Base. "Joint Base" means that it is a Joint Forces base(Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Space Force). Port San Antonio provides thousands of civilian jobs to the City of San Antonio, including my son, so no, not time to close it, not now or in the foreseeable future.

[inthewind21]

91. I'm dumbfounded

At how aggressively incorrect/ non-factual information is being pushed here, of all places. Even after the correct information has been given repeatedly. Any of this seem familiar?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

97. +1.

with 157 recs.

[Kaleva]

66. If this is scary to you, what are you doing about it?

One can tell just how strongly a person feels about an issue by what they do in response to it. Posting on a discussion board and doing nothing else makes it pretty clear the issue is of little importance.

[DallasNE]

68. My Guess Is That This Was A National Guard Operation

That just widens the scope of the investigation.

[LeftInTX]

124. Could be!

[True Blue American]

134. But worse, HLS agents

Filled out the fake addresses.

[Bluethroughu]

70. Time for some Court Martials.

Our military is not a political play toy.

[packman]

80. Commander in Chief needs to kick some ass

[czarjak]

87. Connected Dots

[inthewind21]

88. Incorrect

The plane took off from Kelly Field in San Antonio. Formerly Kelly AFB. Kelly AFB was closed in 2020

[Lunabell]

95. It's owned by the DOD.

So, it's owned by the US.

[inthewind21]

98. Is it?

Really?

"Immediately, city and state authorities worked to create an organization that would accept the handing over of Air Force property at the Kelly site and its necessary redevelopment to ensure the preservation and creation of jobs for the region. In 1995 the redevelopment authority - the Greater Kelly Development Corporation, GKDC was established by resolution of the San Antonio City Council and incorporated as a Texas Development Corporation, a political subdivision of the State of Texas.

The authority was restructured in 1997 to accept federal property as the Greater Kelly Development Authority (GKDA). In 2006 it was reorganized as the Port Authority of San Antonio, doing business as Port San Antonio, as it is known today. The organization is led by a board of directors appointed by the San Antonio City Council and its strategic plan and day-to-day activities are managed by a President and CEO."

https://www.kellyheritage.org/brac-transition-era.php

[questionseverything]

106. The lawyers reviewing the falsified paperwork says

It was federal agents that filled it out

I have heard different agencies but if rouge federal agents were involved with desatan they at least had access at this airport

[LeftInTX]

128. I don't know if they would be at the airport

The way flights work there aren't like at a regular airport. On CNN, a reporter states they were taken to a La Quinta motel for five days prior to being sent to board the plane.

The 502nd Air Base Wing directs air traffic from the control tower for both military and civilian flights, public information officer Robert Strain said, though it does not manage flight plans or handle manifests for private flights.

All private flights at the airport are serviced by the base’s operator, Atlantic Aviation. The Plano-based company, which has more than a hundred locations across North America, goes beyond refueling and can help with travel arrangements, according to its website. It’s unclear what role it played in the flights. The company said in a statement that “as with every flight from public, private or government sectors, we maintain no knowledge of an individual flight’s purpose, nor do we intervene with any flight’s operation.”

FAA records show that both flights were chartered by Ultimate Air Shuttle, a luxury private jet company based out of Ohio that normally caters to corporate executives and sports teams.https://sanantonioreport.org/kelly-field-san-antonio-ron-desantis-migrants-flight-marthas-vineyard/

[Lunabell]

108. Yes

https://sanantonioreport.org/kelly-field-san-antonio-ron-desantis-migrants-flight-marthas-vineyard/


Although the airport is often said to be a part of Port San Antonio, including on the Port’s website, it is still owned by the federal government and operated by Lackland Air Force Base, part of the joint base.


https://sanantonioreport.org/kelly-field-san-antonio-ron-desantis-migrants-flight-marthas-vineyard/

[Lunabell]

110. Oh, I see you're relatively new here at DU.

Welcome to DU.

Oh, I also see you've had quite a few posts hidden too. Well, that's interesting

[dlk]

93. Regardless of airfield ownership, heads should roll for this illegal trafficking of humans

Lock them all up!

[bluboid]

100. Thank you for the scorcher clarification...

[Wingus Dingus]

107. We'll hopefully find out whether any federal resources or authority

were used in this scheme, even if not DoD involved. Sounds like some federal officials (DHS?) gave fraudulent papers or addresses to these migrants before leaving TX, according to the lawyer who gave a press conference today.

[Progressive dog]

109. Kelly has not been an air force base for about 20 years.

The San Antonio Air Logistics Center was officially inactivated on July 13, 2001. Kelly Air Force Base closed and became KellyUSA. In the 2000s, with a concerted focus on the development of the base as an inland port, KellyUSA became Port San Antonio in 2007. The San Antonio Port Authority opened the East Kelly rail port in April 2007, and a new 89,600-square-foot air cargo terminal (with a 50,000-square-foot cargo staging area and fourteen acres of ramp space) opened in early 2008. That year the United States Air Force transferred more than 1,000 acres that held the Base Exchange, military housing, and other facilities to Port San Antonio. Lackland Air Force Base took back three buildings on base for renovations and the housing of new tenants, including the Air Force Medical Operations Agency. As of the 2010s the U. S. Air Force held responsibility for several buildings on the old Kelly grounds, and a large upgraded office complex on the east side housed the national headquarters for several important Air Force agencies, including the Medical Operations Agency, Air Force Civil Engineer Center, and the 24th Air Force (also known as Cyber Command).

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/kelly-air-force-base
The airport is not military.

[GreenWave]

118. Clap them in irons too!

[Blue Owl]

119. K&R for exposure

[MyMission]

120. Their commander and chief is President Biden

Not abbott, not desantis, not tfg.

Biden will make his displeasure known, and these flights from military bases will stop.
Hopefully some heads will roll. These creeps will find other ways to send immigrants to blue states, but they won't be using the US military.

[Joinfortmill]

130. Not good. DeSantis went too far.

[LeftInTX]

136. Literally...what is DeSantis's connection to Texas?

How did he know about the migrants??

Anyway: I live in San Antonio.

Last week, I just happened to be down the block from the migrant center, however I didn't know that a migrant center was there. (However, it is public knowledge, I just didn't know) It was around 8 pm. I was getting gas at the Quick Trip and there were lots of homeless people camping out around the area. I thought it was unusual to see a large number of homeless people in that part of town.

Let's just say, the migrant center happens to be in an area that could attract a Republican's attention.

It wouldn't take much knowledge to find someone to lure them away.

So maybe someone told DeSantis about the migrant center and that is how he found out?