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applegrove

(118,018 posts)
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 07:48 PM Sep 2022

Stunts Backfire on Ron DeSantis

Stunts Backfire on Ron DeSantis

September 17, 2022 at 7:12 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 56 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2022/09/17/ron-desantis-stunts-backfire/

"SNIP.......

Jamelle Bouie: “The conceit of this dehumanizing bit of political theater was that the liberal denizens of Martha’s Vineyard would reject the migrants out of hypocrisy, thus proving that Democrats aren’t actually interested in welcoming immigrants into their communities. To DeSantis and his amen corner, asylum seekers are disposable, and they believe that liberals will want to dispose of them too.”

“What happened, instead, was that residents of Martha’s Vineyard rallied to provide food, shelter, clothing and services. The asylum seekers are now on their way to Cape Cod, to receive further assistance. The stunt failed to make its intended point.”

“The same was true of a previous stunt, in which DeSantis touted the arrests of 20 former felons for election fraud. The intended message was that Florida, and presumably the entire country, needed to be on constant alert to block fraudulent voters. But in the days and weeks after the arrests, an investigation by The Tampa Bay Times found that the state had actually cleared those residents to vote.”

......SNIP"

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Stunts Backfire on Ron DeSantis (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2022 OP
He's a blunt instrument, not a sharp one. applegrove Sep 2022 #1
Knowing DeathSentence's supporters... regnaD kciN Sep 2022 #2
Residents of Martha's Vineyard are saying they were touched by the refugees to the extent applegrove Sep 2022 #3
Comments on local media gratuitous Sep 2022 #4
That's exactly what they are saying. I have a cousin in FL. And Meadowoak Sep 2022 #5
Assholes can't believe everyone isn't just as malignant as they are. paleotn Sep 2022 #7
Yes, to an alarming extent! Mopar151 Sep 2022 #21
They all have their favorite "news" sources, which are largely total crap. Down rabbit holes. Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #11
I should assume then KentuckyWoman Sep 2022 #15
decent people like GW Bush 90-percent Sep 2022 #22
regular tripe on 40 or 50 rw radio stations, fox. and 20 of those stations piggyback 5 fla unis certainot Sep 2022 #31
I'm seeing the same on FB... regnaD kciN Sep 2022 #34
Fascists believe everyone thinks like they do... paleotn Sep 2022 #6
Yup. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #24
Have they? nycbos Sep 2022 #8
I disagree. DeSantis is fueling Trumpists' rage. Cranking the anti immigration animus. It works Raven123 Sep 2022 #9
Yep. They love this. progressoid Sep 2022 #10
Losing the Cuban community will hurt him....... Lovie777 Sep 2022 #12
The Cubans are cheering him on ripcord Sep 2022 #14
The long time Cubans in Florida fled when Batista's fascist regime was overthrown. SharonAnn Sep 2022 #29
They will get their way and we will have a national discussion on immigration ripcord Sep 2022 #13
+1 OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2022 #18
Biden has been trying to get them to talk about immigration reform applegrove Sep 2022 #25
The Gooper MAGAT base loves it. We have a serious problem when 30% or so feel that way. Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #16
Agree with everything you said.. mountain grammy Sep 2022 #33
Polling numbers pinkstarburst Sep 2022 #42
Florida taxpayers paid over $12 million for a political stunt that did not benefit the state. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #17
As someone else has said, these are not stunts, they are criminal actions. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #19
Dems should repeat: "please propose immigration solutions, in spooky3 Sep 2022 #20
This needs to be investigated. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #23
Will he be sending even more planes and busses? IcyPeas Sep 2022 #26
a key paragraph I think the author may have gotten wrong... thesquanderer Sep 2022 #27
Very astute. applegrove Sep 2022 #30
Agree nt Raine Sep 2022 #36
Except Trump won votes of that group. David__77 Sep 2022 #37
While Trump won many votes from that group, he also lost many... thesquanderer Sep 2022 #39
Also, I wish we could get the MSM to use the correct term "asylum seekers" instead of halfulglas Sep 2022 #28
The Magats just don't believe that Democrats actually care about other people. Martin68 Sep 2022 #32
How high is the state of Florida Corgigal Sep 2022 #35
BUT the SPIN is that they were DEPORTED within 24 hours and rich people rejected them. TigressDem Sep 2022 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #40
Crimes. Iggo Sep 2022 #41

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
2. Knowing DeathSentence's supporters...
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:03 PM
Sep 2022

…they’ll probably insist that that, despite all evidence, the refugees were rejected on MV, because “someone said” that they were. Or, even if that’s impossible, they’ll claim that it made “the libtards” uncomfortable to have to help them (because, of course, it would make they themselves more-than-just-uncomfortable), and thus was a “win.”

applegrove

(118,018 posts)
3. Residents of Martha's Vineyard are saying they were touched by the refugees to the extent
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:09 PM
Sep 2022

it transformed them even better.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. Comments on local media
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:09 PM
Sep 2022

Yes, the talking points seem to have settled on "Oh, those rich liberals moved them immediately." Well, considering that the plane dropped the refugees off miles from anywhere, of course they weren't just left in middle of the landing strip. But such trivial minutiae don't cut no ice with those celebrating DeSantis' cruelty.

Meadowoak

(5,517 posts)
5. That's exactly what they are saying. I have a cousin in FL. And
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:11 PM
Sep 2022

That is exactly the shit she was spewing this morning.

Mopar151

(9,965 posts)
21. Yes, to an alarming extent!
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:21 PM
Sep 2022

Their shenanigans when they achieve office largely consist of what they think everybody in office does. If their mental defect is ever written up in the DSM, "failure to see anyone as more intelligent than themselves, regardless of circumstances". When we have a scholarly President, these "morons, psychopaths, and mental defectives" come unglued sideways!
Example here:

KentuckyWoman

(6,666 posts)
15. I should assume then
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:49 PM
Sep 2022

if something happens and I end up stranded in Florida on my way to somewhere else, your cousin won't lift a finger to help me. I can just live there the rest of my life whether I wanted to or not.

These are people who were traveling to other destinations and got dumped in MV instead. Surely the kindest action is to help them get to where they want to be.

On 911 a bunch of people got stuck in Atlanta. I live there at the time with my sister. We took in 3 families for 4 days and help them connect with transportation to get where they were trying to get however it was appropriate. No I'm not bragging. People all over the country did this. People in other countries did it for travelers in other places who were stuck because US airspace was close.

It's what decent people do. Your cousin's logic makes no sense - which is of course MAGA logic ...

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
22. decent people like GW Bush
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:25 PM
Sep 2022

allowed all members of the Saudi Royal family to fly after 9-11, to escape back to SA.

While the rest of Americans were grounded and forbidden to fly at all.

-90% Jimmy

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
31. regular tripe on 40 or 50 rw radio stations, fox. and 20 of those stations piggyback 5 fla unis
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:56 PM
Sep 2022

these 5 universities endorse 20 xlimbaugh stations that support desantis and the other fla cons all the time they talk. and dems ignore it. that's the only reason why assholes like desantis, scott, rubio, etc even have any chance. limbaugh even named desantis as a dittohead. many of the idiot fascists in the GOP got their political 'education' from limbaugh and some are proud of it - like desantis, mulvaney, steven miller....

all those stations have been blasting this anti immigrant shit, global warming and covid denial, anti abortion BS, racism, and lies for 30 years, supported by those universities

FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2

UF needs to reread it's mission statement and do the right thing - imagine, 30 years of global warming denial from those 10 xlimbaugh stations in a state about to be flooded out.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
34. I'm seeing the same on FB...
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 12:31 AM
Sep 2022

…”They just couldn’t get rid of them fast enough! Why didn’t they open up their mansions and let them stay there?”

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
6. Fascists believe everyone thinks like they do...
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:26 PM
Sep 2022

That everyone is just as wicked and cruel. They just don't get it. They'd be worthy of pity if they weren't such galactic assholes.

progressoid

(49,825 posts)
10. Yep. They love this.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:39 PM
Sep 2022

I overhead a couple knuckle daggers at a restaurant going on about how great it was.

ripcord

(5,084 posts)
14. The Cubans are cheering him on
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:46 PM
Sep 2022

They have theirs and don't care about anyone else, they aren't happy about the Venezuelan refugees coming to Florida for jobs.

SharonAnn

(13,766 posts)
29. The long time Cubans in Florida fled when Batista's fascist regime was overthrown.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:15 PM
Sep 2022

They want to back to where they were the favored few and keeping the others in poverty.
Oligopolistic are all alike.

ripcord

(5,084 posts)
13. They will get their way and we will have a national discussion on immigration
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:45 PM
Sep 2022

They have some legitimate complaints but certainly are dealing with them in the worst way possible.

applegrove

(118,018 posts)
25. Biden has been trying to get them to talk about immigration reform
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:46 PM
Sep 2022

but they won't because it is a Wedge Issue they need or something.

Evolve Dammit

(16,632 posts)
16. The Gooper MAGAT base loves it. We have a serious problem when 30% or so feel that way.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:49 PM
Sep 2022

Incapable or uninterested in seeking truth, and enjoying cruelty to others seems to be their forte. That's a lot of f'in people, and it may be more for all I know. At its core is a re-kindled, burning racist hatred for anyone non-"white" fueled by radio, Internet podcasters and Fox. The core hatred has been there since I can remember and I cut friendships and family over it. I have no use for that, and as a society, it has no place. Millions obviously disagree.

pinkstarburst

(1,321 posts)
42. Polling numbers
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 12:24 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.kxan.com/state-of-texas/state-of-texas-migrant-busing-among-hot-button-issues-driving-voters-in-new-texas-poll/

52% supported migrant bussing. 32% opposed.

Abbott and DeSantis using human beings as political pawns is disgusting. However the issue of southern border states being overwhelmed by the surge of migrants is a valid complaint that is not being addressed by the administration. As kind as the residents of Martha's Vineyard were in that photo op in offering temporary care, are they offering a place to stay long term? What if 100 more migrants showed up in Martha's Vineyard tomorrow? 100 more the day after that? And the day after that? For months and years on end? Would we see the same open armed compassion or would be see them develop compassion fatigue, overwhelmed that nothing was being done to address the issue and how it was overburdening their town and resources.

That's where people in Texas, especially in the RGV are right now. We often ask why we are losing Hispanic votes in that region. This IMHO is a huge reason why.

It's easy to say "be compassionate" when the problem is a thousand miles away from you. Leaders in DC, New York and Chicago and other cities are getting upset and frustrated with just a few busloads of migrants but the number they have received is literally a drop in the bucket compared to what Texas deals with daily and has for years.

The fair thing to do would be to have busses waiting at every place migrants are allowed across the border, paid for by the federal government. Have locations in major cities across the country that they can choose to go to. The recent surge in migrants shouldn't just be something border states have dumped on them. If we all agree migrants need compassion and support (which they do) then this is something all cities across the country should be willing to step up and provide, not just expect southern border cities to deal with.

Lonestarblue

(9,880 posts)
17. Florida taxpayers paid over $12 million for a political stunt that did not benefit the state.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:51 PM
Sep 2022

They should be questioning how their governor wastes their money on a useless stunt just to gte himself re-elected.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,063 posts)
19. As someone else has said, these are not stunts, they are criminal actions.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:03 PM
Sep 2022

Edited to show what a real stunt looks like:



Stop diluting the serious nature of what he is doing.

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
20. Dems should repeat: "please propose immigration solutions, in
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:07 PM
Sep 2022

Legislation, so we can discuss and debate them and pass solutions that will work.”

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
27. a key paragraph I think the author may have gotten wrong...
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:59 PM
Sep 2022

The article in the OP links to a full NYT column. That column also includes this paragraph:

This doesn’t mean that DeSantis cannot win the Republican presidential nomination or even the presidency; of course he can. What I think it means, however, is that his Trump 2.0 act might fail to reach the marginal voters who liked Donald Trump for his persona and performance more than for his positions or policies.


It's true that DeSantis may not appeal to those who liked Trump for his persona more than his politics. But OTOH, DeSantis may appeal to those who liked Trump's positions/policies and did not like his persona, and I think there are lots of people in that group, too. I think there are lots of Republicans who largely supported Trump's positions and just wished he was less of a clown.

David__77

(23,218 posts)
37. Except Trump won votes of that group.
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:58 AM
Sep 2022

DeSantis adds nothing and loses a lot. He’s basically a Republican, which is not what Trump is.

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
39. While Trump won many votes from that group, he also lost many...
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 11:36 AM
Sep 2022

...not necessarily to Clinton or Biden, but to unmotivated people staying home, not talking about their candidate to their friends, etc. Enthusiasm for your candidate matters when it comes to turn out. We on this board may tend to forget about many people don't live and breathe this stuff, and don't necessarily vote in every presidential election, even if, when they do vote, they tend to vote for one party rather than the other.

But also, one of the interesting points about 2020 were numerous instances where Republicans got the down ballot vote, but the voter did not pick Trump at the top of the ballot. This was one of the logical arguments against "massive voter fraud." If Trump ballots were somehow not being counted as fully as Biden ballots, how was it that down-ticket Republicans on those very same ballots won? DeSantis gets those voters back, who Trump lost.

Similarly, particularly in 2016, Trump lost a huge number of votes to the Libertarian candidate, who got far more votes than any of their candidates had gotten before. A "proper" Republican candidate doesn't likely lose all those votes to the libertarian. I suspect that the reason we didn't see the same kind of Libertarian success in 2020 is that Republican Trump-haters were more likely to find Biden borderline acceptable, compared to what they thought about Hillary. Again, DeSantis has the better chance at winning them back.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
28. Also, I wish we could get the MSM to use the correct term "asylum seekers" instead of
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:00 PM
Sep 2022

automatically referring to them by the terms the MAGAts have been using. Jamelle Bouie refers to them correctly. They are in this country legally.

Martin68

(22,671 posts)
32. The Magats just don't believe that Democrats actually care about other people.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:01 PM
Sep 2022

They project their corrruption, hatred, and bigotry on us and are confused when we don't behave the way they expect.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
35. How high is the state of Florida
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 12:40 AM
Sep 2022

tipping towards the genocide scale? 40, 50 or more? They aren’t calling people cockroaches on the radio yet, but they are certainly tipping their toes in the water.

I always am amazed on how other Hispanic voters believe those white voters give one damn on where you came from. Don’t care about your story, and I remember when Cubans were coming to Florida in crappy boats, and how they were trying to turn them all away.

Each tribe can hate each other all they want, but as a minority then need to stop on one day and that’s Election Day.

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