'Beyond un-American': experts blast Trump's 'psychotic' 103-minute Ohio rally speech

[JohnSJ]

"As his long-winded speech began winding down, dramatic music played while Donald Trump continued speaking.

"This is deeply, deeply weird," tweeted Tom Nichols of The Atlantic.

"It really is Jonestown-level stuff. These people are worshiping a real estate developer from Queens who can barely hold a thought in his head," he wrote. "This is beyond un-American. It's psychotic."

The conservative writer suggested Democrats run ads featuring Trump's Youngstown rally.

"I think Democrats should run clips of the weird culty shit that just happened at the Trump rally and ask: "Is this the party you want running the country?" Trump is the best weapon Democrats have," Nichols wrote.

Retired four-star General Barry McCaffrey sounded alarm.

"Astonishing Trump language. The crowd is similar to a Nuremberg rally 1936," he wrote.

"A lawless Trump in office in 2024 election would slide us into autocracy and deny our Constitutional safeguards. This is our greatest danger as a nation since 1860," McCaffrey warned."


https://www.rawstory.com/trump-ohio-speech/


I think the advice of Tom Nichols should be considered. Saturate the airwaves with clips from this dranged rally, and what the republican party represents

[Justice matters.]

1. Fascist Mango even riled up his Qultists to go after McTurtle...

AND the rest of his RINO's...

[paleotn]

5. Good.

They'll devour each other, destroying the modern Republican Party. Hopefully, what will rise from its ashes is a legitimate center right party we can work with and a check on American politics wandering too far in the other direction.

[Justice matters.]

7. The only question remaining is:

Will his supremely corrupt six side with mango mussolini or the DOJ?

[bucolic_frolic]

12. They're either all-in or under threat

so there's the answer

[paleotn]

13. Remains to be seen, but....

Bostock v. Clayton County gives me a glimmer of hope that at least 2 maybe 3 of the 6 take their job seriously.

[Zilli]

31. Why can't we just ignore them?

What real power do they have beyond words? Can they call out the military to round us up and put us in concentration camps? Their legitimacy has gone and they have morphed from supreme to sadistic. I'm serious, why cant we, if we win majorities in both houses, of course, just ignore them and come up with a fix ? ? ? The propaganda pushing media would loose their shit but - - just wondering

[Justice matters.]

32. "We" could expand the USSC up to 13 (or more) ...

But "we" cough-cough have 2 blue dogs in the Senate who side with the now "RINO" (Republicans In Name Only) the orange traitor threatens to get rid of (no matter the means...).

[Zilli]

34. If, If, If we win majorities

We can let the blue dogs stomp and yell then sit in a corner with mitch and wipe up their tears with thousand dollar bills while the sane members of our government fix the judiciary. I know it's a dream but might as well dream big and visualize a sane, fixed judiciary and congress and nation. Like Kinzinger said there must be uncomfortable alliances to make it through this.

[EmmaLee E]

33. You make a big assumption ..

That we will win the election decisively.

Watch who certifies the election results in all the precincts.

I am terrified that we will win the vote but lose the election.

[Zilli]

35. Point taken.

[rubbersole]

37. Don't let the example Florida sets

reflect on the whole country...oh, wait...

[Tommymac]

46. Remember what 'Uncle Joe' Stalin said:

"I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how."
said in 1923; Boris Bazhanov The Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary (1992)

This. This. This.

We MUST GOTV our collective asses off this cycle.

We simply MUST.



#GOTV2022
#VOTEBLUE2022
#ROEVEMBER2022

[MarcA]

51. Actually Executives at the Fed and State can.

Courts make decisions, executives can enforce them as they see fit. Not always necessarily a good thing but a true thing.

[Cha]

56. So GOTV For Booker, Kentucky!

[Deminpenn]

2. In Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro's

latest ad reveals Mastriano to be a "prepper" and includes a tagline saying, "the crazier (Mastriano is)...".

[Tommymac]

47. I like it. nt

[Cha]

57. Excellent! What's a "Prepper"?

TY

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. A prepper is someone who prepares for a total breakdown of society

Builds a shelter, stockpiles guns, ammo, tinned goods - that kind of thing. But if this is the ad, then it's not really that:

The 30-second ad, titled “Strange Ideas,” cites a 2001 thesis written by Mastriano in which he warned that a left-wing “Hitlerian putsch” against the U.S. military would destabilize the country.

...
“When he was 37, he wrote a bizarre manifesto, predicting someday someone like himself would have to hide out in a cave because he feared a politically correct leader driven by deviant sexual behavior would take over America and kill millions,” the ad’s narrator says. “Mastriano warned that only a macho warrior spirit could save us. And now he wants to be our governor?”

The thesis, which was reported by The Washington Post in May, is titled “The Civilian Putsch of 2018: Debunking the Myth of a Civil-Military Leadership Rift.” Mastriano was a U.S. Army major at the Air Command and Staff College at the time.

It’s written from the perspective of a military colonel hiding in a forest after a dictator has gotten rid of the Constitution and declared martial law in the U.S., and millions have perished in a purge.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3644059-shapiro-rolls-out-new-ad-hitting-mastriano-over-2001-thesis/

The end caption is "the more we learn, the crazier it gets".

Better, I think, than saying "he's a prepper". There's a wide variety of "preppers" - some do it as much in case of natural disaster as any human-made "apocalypse", and it wouldn't be worth antagonising them.

[Cha]

59. Thank you for that explanation & Ad,

MV!

I agree.. leave "prepper" out of it. Mastriano is a Crazed Fascist & this Works.. ""the more we learn, the crazier it gets".

Oh and turns out it's a Fascist RW working for Putin that's trying their Worst to "Destabilize our Country".

[Deminpenn]

71. Prepper is my characterization,

The ad doesn't say that.

[Cha]

61. Oh and "Heil Mastriano"..

Link to tweet

[grantcart]

68. They should hand out brown shirts

[Cha]

69. Might as well.. Dumbass Nazi Wannabes.

Aloha grant

[NickB79]

74. I'd consider myself a climate prepper

But growing vegetables and chickens for food isn't as exciting as stockpiling assault rifles 🤷

[Ray Bruns]

3. 103 minutes. That's getting into Castro length range.

[keep_left]

41. Yep. During the Cold War, we used to ridicule Castro for those interminable speeches. Now...

...Trump's fanatical chuds hang on every word of grievance he utters.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17121385

[Beartracks]

54. The GOP: From hanging chads to hanging chuds.

[Captain Zero]

75. The one before this was 2 hours. Seems like

There should be a lot of video for Dem ads to compare our stable views against the rantings of a schizoid psychotic.

[paleotn]

4. He's completely dumped the thin veneer of conventional politics and gone full on fascist.

He's a nazi and so are his followers. Call them what they are.

[Docreed2003]

6. Watching the people in the crowd was what was most disturbing to me

The unhinged 💩 trump says is just expected, but watching a crowd of people raising their single finger in the air in some kind of Qanon worship was just bizarre and frightening. Frightening because of the level of insanity of these Qanon nutters and their beliefs.

[odins folly]

8. Study material

I don't remember which wife, but one said he kept a book at his bedside of Hitler speeches, so he has been geared up for this for a very long time.

[Joinfortmill]

15. Ivana

[OMGWTF]

20. Under oath during a deposition.

[odins folly]

40. Thanks

Yea, that’s the ticket

[musclecar6]

66. Yeah

It was Ivana. She said he kept Hitler’s books by the bedside table and used to read them all the time. Tells me this guys been thinking about this his whole life with dreams of becoming a megalomaniac psychopath. All we have to have, is enough stupid assholes along with the vote counters that are as crazy as he is and he gets back in and we will have our modern day version of that horrible man from World War II.

I think enough people are finally starting to get scared with this character or that other tyrant from down there in Florida, trying to capture the mantle of evil insanity from the Manchurian Cantaloupe ( I borrowed that excellent moniker from another DU compadre).

[2naSalit]

9. I'm pretty sure...

That, since they are on our side afaic, TPL will be on it by the end of the day. There's SO MUCH material there, Rick Wilson is surely smiling a great big smile.

There will be ads.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. Trump is running an Old Pretender strategy - a Shadow Government out of power

We didn't do this effectively while he was in office. We need to run this sort of operation going forward.

[Orrex]

11. Trump is a god in much of east Ohio & western PA

It's sad but true. Trump could have amped up this crazy rhetoric 100X and the KKKult would still worship him.

[GB_RN]

14. Led In That Worship By...

TucKKKer, and Handjob Hannity and the rest of the clowns ar Faux Nuz. But those two in particular.

[bucolic_frolic]

16. I keep wondering how much if any this taps into early American rebellions

The locale is of the Whiskey Rebellion, an anti-tax, anti-government rupture of its day. Local populations don't change much.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. Hmmm, the whiskey tax was the first tax break given to big business

And it upset small producers who bore the highest costs. If they could have thrown big producers' whiskey in the Boston Harbor they would have. And to make it worse. They couldn't pay with barter or trade which is all most people in the hills of Appalachia had. They didn't have access to cash. That's what my family history says anyways.

I guarantee my family would never have supported Trump. They were much smarter than that even back in 1794. Some family still lives up in the hills and they think Trump's a con.

"But protests against the new tax began immediately, arguing that the tax was unfair to small producers. Under the new law, large producers paid the tax annually at a rate of six cents per gallon, and the more they produced, the further the tax breaks.

Small producers, however, were stuck with paying nine cents per gallon in taxes. Farmers took further issue because only cash would be accepted for tax payment."

https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/whiskey-rebellion

[bucolic_frolic]

45. Thanks, that's a deeper dive than I've seen before

I knew it a tax revolt, and equated it to Fries' Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion which were over real estate taxation and a bank rebellion respectively.

Thanks!

[DinahMoeHum]

17. Methinks the Lincoln Project will have this rally in an ad. . .

. . .coming up in 1-2 days.

[Beachnutt]

18. It's not a "rally"

it's a fascist crusade.

[3catwoman3]

19. I cannot stand to listen to him for a minute and 3 seconds.

103 minutes would be agony.

[AllaN01Bear]

25. i cant even stand looking at him!!

[3catwoman3]

48. That, too.

He is completely repellant in every possible way - physically, sartorially, behaviorally, attitudinally, morally, socially, etc, etc, etc.

[Septua]

21. "I think Democrats should run clips of the weird culty shit that just happened...

..at the Trump rally and ask: "Is this the party you want running the country?" Trump is the best weapon Democrats have," Nichols wrote.

I fully agree with that.

[JohnSJ]

29. +++

[LiberalLovinLug]

38. I hope they are listening. That is a GREAT idea

[twodogsbarking]

22. It's not that they have changed, they just took the mask off.

[Auggie]

23. How many were paid to attend or received other compensation?

[H2O Man]

24. Recommended.

[spedtr90]

26. Not Nuremberg 1936. It's New York 1939. "Pro-American rally"

7 minutes of American history

https://anightatthegarden.com/

[TigressDem]

27. tRump is our best weapon against himselfishness. I like that.

Himselfishness:

Adjective: Describes a person who thinks only of their own best interest to the exclusion of all other logical thought.



SEE Also:
Narcissism
Gas Lighting
Sociopath

[Jarqui]

30. Did the networks carry his speech?

I haven't seen it and am certain I could not stand to listen to it.

It did not seem heavily attended.
Capacity of the facility was around 7,000 according to what I read.
It wasn't full.

Obama had a crowd of 14,000 in OH in 2012 at one of his events according to reports from back then.

[Tommymac]

49. I went to a John Kerry Rally in the fall of 2004 in Youngstown.

Tens of thousands filled the outdoor square around the Court house. The whole square was packed.

Tens.
Of.
Thousands.

Bon Jovi sang a song or two, and I got interviewed by a German TV unit because I was wearing a silly baseball hat with 2 3D clapping hands (with strings to make clap) holding American flags.

That was a fun day.

[The_Casual_Observer]

60. They play these shit shows on cspan live as "2022 campaign"

[Buckeye_Democrat]

36. Many of them ARE fascists, even if they don't know it.

The best predictor of a Trump supporter is right-wing authoritarianism (RWA), and that's the same "personality trait" that was exhibited by Nazi supporters in Germany.

The earliest studies about RWA came about after the rise and fall of European fascists, in fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarian_personality

[rrze]

39. trump's "people"

His supporters are haters who think America can return to the 1950s white utopia that never actually existed. Unfortunately, I know a few Trumpies personally and they fall into three categories:
1. GED holders (3 people I know)
2. Serial Philanderers and woman-haters (5 people)
3. Egomaniac Rich people who think they know better than anyone else & hold their breath when they vote for this asshat but do anyway for their own self-interests. (too many).

Can this block of voters win the White house again? Nope. DJT probably haas a base of 5mm or less. His media reach pulls in the the rest.

[Sugarcoated]

42. I was going to post this on my FB feed

but the preview on the article is a picture of his bloated unsightly mug and I won't do that to my friends

[Upthevibe]

43. Kick. N/T

[FelineOverlord]

50. Reminds me of this

[Abolishinist]

63. Some info on the speaker and the man who charged the stage.

The group’s leader Fritz Kuhn was eventually arrested for embezzling Bund funds and sent to prison and stripped of his citizenship. After the war, he was deported to West Germany where he died a few years later. The Bund disbanded soon after the start of World War II, but the people who had supported it remained.

And the person storming the stage...

He was a 26-year-old plumber’s helper from Brooklyn named Isadore Greenbaum. When he ran on stage to protest, he was beaten up and had his pants ripped off as he was thrown from the stage. He was also arrested for disorderly conduct and fined $25.

There was a debate at the time over whether the Bund should be allowed to have a rally, which – like so many things about the event – seems eerily contemporary. Greenbaum explained to the judge the day after the rally, “I went down to the Garden without any intention of interrupting. But being that they talked so much against my religion and there was so much persecution I lost my head, and I felt it was my duty to talk.” The Magistrate asked him, “Don’t you realize that innocent people might have been killed?” And Greenbaum replied, “Do you realize that plenty of Jewish people might be killed with their persecution up there?” (New York Times, 2/22/39).

[The Jungle 1]

52. trump is a fascist.

[Jarqui]

53. Rob Reiner "... there is no other way to put this: Donald Trump is a Fascist"

Link to tweet

Tweet
Rob Reiner@robreiner
After watching Trump’s rally in Ohio, there is no other way to put this: Donald Trump is a Fascist. We can no longer say this can’t happen here. And if we don’t come out in massive numbers in these midterms, it will happen.
9:41 AM · Sep 18, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone

[musclecar6]

67. Rob is right

Start calling out this guy for what he is and slap that Nazi label on him in big glowing letters. Also draw the line between him and DeSantis and anybody else out there who is is off the charts loco like these two guys are. One Hitler was enough for our world.

[The Jungle 1]

70. We need a louder voice on this. trump is a fascist.

[Cha]

55. Evidently DT has been a "Russian ASSet since

1987". Jill Stine was Very Helpful in 2016, too.

Link to tweet

[JohnSJ]

62. +++

[Stuart G]

64. Trump is the most hated politician in the U.S. He won't win S**T

He may think he may win, but professional republicans know the truth. Can you imagine these 4 words
being replayed hundreds of times if he runs and gets nominated..........Just 4 words...........

......"ITS ALL A HOAX"...

those 4 words killed a lot of true believers, because they thought he was saying the truth.

[PlutosHeart]

65. I think it is dangerous to replay long portions of it.

Not kidding. Wish people would take this seriously.

[Aussie105]

72. Trump's followers don't care, don't know, or don't understand history.

Their irrational decent into copying historically disastrous worship of a Fascist 'leader' shows that.
You don't need to look too deeply into American history to see a few examples, and what became of them.

Perhaps it's time for tRump to open a colony somewhere in South America for him and his followers, call it TrumpTown, and 'motivate' his followers with talk of the Evil surrounding them, approaching them, and the MotherShip that will take them to some promised land.

Oh, and don't forget to take the special flavor enhanced Flavor-Aid with you.
Going to need that . . .

Those who don't learn from history . . . etc.

Jim Jones and Jonestown . . . worth a Google if you don't already know.

[Rhiannon12866]

73. Ohio Rally Recap - Meidas Touch

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017768303

This particular stop on Donald Trump's sedition tour was by far the disgraced ex-president's most deranged rally yet, and leaned in even more to the fascist cosplay of Donald Trump and his followers.