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We have a health care system in this country (Original Post) Uncle Joe Sep 2022 OP
It threatens to financially ruin millions every day. Brainfodder Sep 2022 #1
There is NO health care SYSTEM in this country, elleng Sep 2022 #2
Totally agree. LoisB Sep 2022 #3
At best there is a health "insurance" system... ret5hd Sep 2022 #4
More like a health care industry. GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #8
Amen. kacekwl Sep 2022 #5
He's right. Been that way for a long time and going to stay GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #6
You guys won't mind knowing then that our nonexistent healthcare system Hortensis Sep 2022 #7
Do you honestly believe that the American Peoples' health care Uncle Joe Sep 2022 #9
What "doesn't exist" IS in grave danger. Hortensis Sep 2022 #11
If it was much better there wouldn't be all those complaints and tragic stories. Uncle Joe Sep 2022 #12
Oh, good. "Republicans and their oligarch owners" are a problem? Hortensis Sep 2022 #13
No one Uncle Joe Sep 2022 #15
+1000000000000 betsuni Sep 2022 #14
I posted earlier today in the health group NQAS Sep 2022 #10
Six years ago BOSSHOG Sep 2022 #16
I've noticed NJCher Sep 2022 #18
Yea thank you nixon and reagan. The Jungle 1 Sep 2022 #17

ret5hd

(20,489 posts)
4. At best there is a health "insurance" system...
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 06:36 PM
Sep 2022

designed (on purpose) to provide the extreme least while costing the extreme most.

GoodRaisin

(8,921 posts)
6. He's right. Been that way for a long time and going to stay
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 06:46 PM
Sep 2022

that way unless people stop voting for Republicans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. You guys won't mind knowing then that our nonexistent healthcare system
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 06:55 PM
Sep 2022

is on the block. Nothing to lose, after all.

Except for ability to do anything about it, since that's also in grave danger. But maybe those who have nothing to lose now and won't fight for what they don't have today wouldn't fight for what they won't have tomorrow either?

Nevertheless, I strongly suggest everyone get all delayed medical care done while our current nonexistent healthcare system is still in place. Sign up for the ACA -- preexisting conditions covered, no annual limits for conditions -- or upgrade employer insurance coverages long enough to do it. Best do what dental, hearing and eyes can be also, even if not covered.

Because if the RW extremist SCOTUS majority rules that the ACA, mandated employer contributions, Medicare/Medicaid, and most of the rest of our nonexistent healthcare system, are unconstitutional, it's going to unleash a national tsunami of troubles and will be VERY BAD for very many for, well, too long to save many.

And unless you're very lucky and alone in the world with no one you need to worry about, you're going to find out personally what "no healthcare system" really is.

Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
9. Do you honestly believe that the American Peoples' health care
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:13 PM
Sep 2022

would be endangered if our leaders didn't keep quite about its' critical dysfunction (s)?

If we can't face hard truths, we can't make progress, the same holds true for climate change.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. What "doesn't exist" IS in grave danger.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:20 PM
Sep 2022

What I can honestly believe is that those who can insist it doesn't exist will also be able to claim it never did if it's lost. Not their fault.

Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
12. If it was much better there wouldn't be all those complaints and tragic stories.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:22 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Tue Sep 20, 2022, 10:40 PM - Edit history (1)

If we don't speak about it, warts and all, we leave the narrative up to the Republicans and their oligarch owners.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Oh, good. "Republicans and their oligarch owners" are a problem?
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:27 PM
Sep 2022

That is at least looking in the right direction.

Now, what can you do to save the healthcare system we have so we can build on it? And so millions don't suffer and die from throwing it under the bus?

Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
15. No one
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 08:24 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:21 PM - Edit history (1)

is throwing the U.S. health care system (such as it is) under the bus.

Our dysfunctional health care system has been riding in the back of the bus for decades in deference to profit while tens of millions of Americans have literally died.

We're trying to move the American Peoples' health care to the front of the bus by giving it full agency.

If we don't, the Republicans will try to kill health care regardless by taking it off the back of bus and run over it.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
10. I posted earlier today in the health group
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:20 PM
Sep 2022

I went to have wax removed from my ears. Gross, I know, though it wasn’t a lot. Bill wad $902. Medicare and supplemental paid less than 25% of that, and there was no cost to me. It’s fucked up, though. $902 for about 5 minutes. And they called it a surgical procedure.

BOSSHOG

(37,034 posts)
16. Six years ago
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:10 PM
Sep 2022

I did some serious breakage of my left arm. Several hours in surgery. The Bill? 185,000 big ones. My wife and I have some pretty good insurance. I ended up paying $600.00.

NJCher

(35,647 posts)
18. I've noticed
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:22 PM
Sep 2022

that what the healthcare people charge is crazy-expensive, but what Medicare or the insurance company actually pays them is considerably less.

An example is a chiropractic visit. The charge is $75 but what they actually get paid is something like $34. They get the $20 co-pay plus $14 for the visit ($34).

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
17. Yea thank you nixon and reagan.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:18 PM
Sep 2022

For the filthy gift you gave this nation.
Repukes swore that free enterprise would save the healthcare system. This filthy gift was a massive mistake.

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