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Nevilledog

(51,055 posts)
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:16 PM Sep 2022

Cheney is right: Not holding Trump accountable will be our downfall



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.@JRubinBlogger is dead on. She writes "Cheney is right to say that this is how democracies fail" in light of her statement that “Excuse by excuse, we’re putting Trump above the law. We are rendering indefensible conduct normal, legal and appropriate”

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Opinion | Cheney is right: Not holding Trump accountable will be our downfall
The Wyoming Republican again denounces her own party.
8:18 AM · Sep 20, 2022


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/20/liz-cheney-speech-aei/

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At a time when political rhetoric might be at a low ebb, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has emerged as an eloquent defender of democracy and the rule of law. Having sacrificed her seat in Congress, her support in her lifelong party, many of her former political allies and even a level of personal safety, Cheney has found her highest purpose: to spur the country and her fellow conservatives to guard against the violence and authoritarianism we now face.

Cheney spoke on that mission Monday at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank that has not sacrificed its soul and spine as others have. She began by invoking Abraham Lincoln’s Lyceum Address of 1838, which she said another conservative sent her as she hid with Capitol lawmakers on Jan. 6, 2021. In that address, Lincoln declared that if we meet a serious threat to our republic, “it must spring up amongst us.” Lincoln continued: “It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

And Lincoln plainly foresaw the danger of the mob:

If the laws be continually despised and disregarded, if their rights to be secure in their persons and property, are held by no better tenure than the caprice of a mob, the alienation of their affections from the Government is the natural consequence; and to that, sooner or later, it must come.

Cheney, 184 years later, similarly warned her fellow Americans: The danger now comes not only from the “former president who is attempting to unravel our constitutional republic,” but also from a GOP that would “defend the indefensible.” When people make excuses for Donald Trump, Cheney charged, they “compromise the principles of our democratic republic”; each excuse “incrementally changes that republic.”

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Skittles

(153,138 posts)
4. yeah well her dad was never held accountable for STARTING A WAR BASED ON LIES
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:26 PM
Sep 2022

and she is FINE WITH THAT

not being held accountable is SOP for the GOP

SWBTATTReg

(22,093 posts)
5. Hey, I and countless millions would have held him accountable, but for some unfathomable reason,
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:26 PM
Sep 2022

tRUMP hasn't not yet been charged or indicted on anything!

Why?

He's clearly in several cases broke the law.

Come on now, authorities, do your job.

PSPS

(13,583 posts)
7. "Come on now, authorities, do your job."
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:44 PM
Sep 2022

I guess it depends on what you think their job is and if they see it the same way.

Personally, I think "authorities," and their mouthpieces in the media have a different idea about what their job is than you or I do. We've been through this before. Make it appear as though something is happening with lots of people saying/writing that trump "may be indicted," "may be in legal jeopardy," "may have to appear," etc. But nothing ever comes of it. And then there are the court cases which always end up chasing their tails with endless appeals, dirty judges in our broken legal system, compromised DOJ, etc., with the sole intent of keeping the case on that treadmill until the defendant dies. What seems to be the constant that the media relies upon is that, eventually, the interest will always wane given enough time, especially if a new shiny object can be found, like the midterms or a queen's death or a solar storm killing satellites or a missing young white female hiker or ... something.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
6. as time marches on.....
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 04:43 PM
Sep 2022

add three days to every item below....was tweeted on September 18.




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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,307 posts)
10. It is not just a former president; it is the entire radicalized Republican party.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 07:57 PM
Sep 2022

Yes, trump absolutely should have been in jail already, but he is not the greatest threat to democracy. The Republican party is attacking democracy in every way it can devise, from voting rights to elections to gerrymanders to court-packing to bodily autonomy.

Solly Mack

(90,761 posts)
11. ...
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 09:10 PM
Sep 2022

“Excuse by excuse, we’re putting _____ above the law. We are rendering indefensible conduct normal, legal and appropriate”


"I'm aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved." Bush also defended the use of waterboarding







Cheney Defends U.S. Use Of Waterboarding



Positions in the Bush administration held by Liz Cheney.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs
Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group

She worked the re-election campaign.



Liz Cheney Defends Torture - Excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse claiming it was all legal, all normal, all appropriate - because gee, torture ain't really torture.



And, said anyone with a functioning brain - Allowing them to get away with torture (and all their other crimes and abuses) will only pave the way for someone worse for America.

Trump 2016.


Anyone that doesn't think the actions of the Bush Administration were not attacks on the norms and institutions of America, to include our democracy, is lying to themselves. (torture, spying, war based on lies, erosion of rights)

Lack of accountability, going back decades, and for various crimes, abuses, and outrages, has eroded our norms and institutions.

All of it got us where we are now.

And conservatives like Liz Cheney were right there, supporting the attacks and attacking any accountability.


Hey - I'm just giving credit where credit is due.








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