Can AOC takes some credit for what happened today?

[Stargleamer]

Maybe so:

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[pwb]

1. Proud of her. Real New England Patriots will save our country

again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. +1

As long as you don't mean football Patriots go NYG!

[Pinback]

2. Yes.

I thought of Elijah Cummings also. His remarks to Cohen were so moving.

[JoeOtterbein]

16. +1000...

...posted with deep respect.

[choie]

3. Absolutely!

I remember her questioning vividly, and was impressed even back then that she was one of the few congress members who asked such a pointed and perceptive question.

[JoeOtterbein]

14. +1000! nt needed!

[dchill]

4. She can and should.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. Yes! She's intuitively brilliant!

[Blue Owl]

7. K&R

[FoxNewsSucks]

8. Yes she should.

The Squad doesn't get nearly enough credit for the good they do. Even here.

I hope MF45 shits his Depends™ knowing that it was two minority women who will bring him to justice on this.

[Alice Kramden]

9. Agree

AOC asked the right questions.

[NBachers]

10. A future Speaker of the House

[brooklynite]

17. Based on what?

A record of passing legislation?

Proven leadership in rallying other House Members to support Party initiatives?

Hopefully, something more than speeches and questioning that the base voters like.

[NBachers]

19. Oh, it's you again

[brooklynite]

24. Isn't it a shame when everyone doesn't sing from the same songbook?

[Celerity]

30. +1

[NJCher]

35. review

[NJCher]

22. You seem to resent her

The ability to ask a question in a memorable way that cuts right to the heart of the matter is no small thing.

I don’t know why you felt the need to diminish her accomplishment, but yes, she rallies other House members for various legislative efforts. This is part of passing legislation. No one piece of legislation is passed by a single House representative, which makes your other criterion a moot point.

[brooklynite]

23. Fascinating...

The number of people who imagine that someone who doesn't share their adoration must be resentful. I don't like or hate ANY politician; I have an objective standard as to: can they get elected and can they do the job they were elected for. I have no objection to her continuing in office, but that doesn't rise to the belief that she has exhibited the skills to make her the leader of a 218 member Caucus.

Yes, she has the ability to ask a question that costs to the heart of a the matter; and she may become (when she has more than four years in office) an accomplished legislator. But I don't see her "rallying" others (perhaps beyond her "squad" members) in favor of her legislative priorities. I DO see her blocking the priorities of Speaker Pelosi and President Biden when she doesn't get her way (and engaging in "sit ins" in the Speaker's Office of course).

Finally, to become Speaker, you need the support of a MAJORITY of your Caucus; a Caucus that is made up of members who are most often NOT people on the ideological edge of the Party who come from safe seats. I meet with dozens of them every cycle, and I don't get the sense that they're looking for a firebrand as leader.

[NJCher]

34. thanks for the psychoanalysis, here's your 5 cents

I don't get the sense that they're looking for a firebrand as leader.

Yeah, that's probably a big part of the problem. Same old same old.

Regardless, maybe we don't need her as the leader. Sometimes people can be more effective in other roles.

The reason I said you seem resentful is that you are at least consistent. Every chance you can get to disparage a progressive gets a derisive comment. Why do you think another poster said "oh, it's you again."

Which I personally found extremely funny.

[brooklynite]

36. "Every chance you can get to disparage a progressive gets a derisive comment"

But I don't. I didn't create a thread about AOC, or even respond to the OP's admiration of her. I responded to a specific (and unsupported) claim that she should become the head of all House Democrats.

You can complain that the House members in aggregate aren't as progressive as AOC is; but that would appear to be the fault of the voters who don't live in a D+25 district.

I'll point out that I'm not the only person questioning this prospective promotion. But I guess it helps to have someone to vent about.

[NJCher]

39. believe what you want about yourself

I'm just going on what I observe.

[whathehell]

53. I agree with you, NJCher

but the fact that Progressives tend to bring out the crank in the wealthy is something you might want to keep in mind.

[Rob H.]

62. You once showed up seven minutes

after someone posted a 10-minute video complimenting a progressive to try to shit all over their OP. Tell yourself whatever you need to to make yourself feel better, just don’t believe for a second that people don’t notice obvious patterns once they’ve emerged.

[Bettie]

38. +1

good analysis.

[Celerity]

44. spot on

[Hermit-The-Prog]

37. Well said. I like AOC but that doesn't mean I think she'd be a good Speaker.

[whathehell]

49. Lighten up, Francis..

[brooklynite]

51. Personal insults aren't compelling arguments.

[whathehell]

54. Lol

.Neither is over the top defensiveness.

[Autumn]

45. Based on the fact that things change. The younger generation WILL be taking over

and this old lady can't wait till they do.

[brooklynite]

46. No objection to generational change...

...but leadership is likely to remain in the mainstream of the Party.

I can see Hakeem Jeffries more likely to move up in leadership.

[Autumn]

47. I just donated to Bang Bang Barbie's opponent. A Democrat who will not support Pelosi for leadership

it's coming sooner rather than later.

[brooklynite]

48. No idea who you're referring to.

[Autumn]

55. I didn't expect you to know. nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. I doubt this will happen so long as she is part of the Justice Democrats

I am on the Justice Democrat email list. I will be happy to discuss this organization with you

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[whathehell]

56. It's not going to happen anytime soon anyway..

I like her, but for God's sake, she's only been in office for a few years..The pearl clutching by some here is quite unnecessary.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

58. Do you support the Justice Democrats? If so why?

[whathehell]

59. I support Progressive Democrats..

For a better answer. You'll have to explain the difference. If any., between those and "Justice Democrats".

[LetMyPeopleVote]

60. Since you asked, I have been following the Justice Democrats for a while

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor, Our Revolution, and affiliates for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi, Waleed Shadid, and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats. The posts attacking the DCCC for raising money to elect real Democrats are really amusing. Lately, I have been amused by these pitiful and sad emails claiming that they are out raised when these groups have two different dark money superPACs.

I have been following a number of posters on twitter who dislike the Justice Democrats who have issues with the concept of the Justice Democrat group wanting to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image.

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This poster is not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party

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Again, the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party by the Justice Democrat group that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats.

If you want to learn more about the Justice Democrats just enter "Just Us Democrats" in the search function of twitter.

I like and support the Democratic Party. I see no need to destroy the Democratic Party in order to remake it in some warped image. I have working on voter protection efforts since 2004(I was one of 11,000 out of state attorneys who went out of state for Kerry Edwards-We had 3000 out of state attorneys in Florida) and I have been working with a good number of democrats to turn Texas blue. It is not easy getting elected to be a national convention delegate and I was a Clinton delegate for the 2016 National Convention. I am NOT in favor of Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi, Waleed Shadid, and their ilk destroying the Democratic Party. There are progressive members of the real Democratic Party who not part of the Justice Democrats. I seriously doubt that AOC has a chance of moving up in the party leadership anytime soon.

[whathehell]

61. You've given me a lot of negatives

but I don't see what, in their words, they are "for" besides supposedly "dismantling" the Democratic Party, because if that is the case, one needs to have something to replace it with.


.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

63. I am not sure what the Justice Democrats are for other than hurting the Democratic Party

I am not aware of any legislation authored by this group that got out of committee. Again, destroying the Democratic Party seems to be the main goal of this group but if you know of anything that this group has done that is positive, let me know. I do now from the latest email from the Justice Democrats that they want to keep their own separate black money superPACs but require the rest of the party to stop using superPACs.

I have worked in and I support the current Democratic Party. I am not in favor of seeing the Democratic Party destroyed just to make Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi, Waleed Shadid, and their ilk happy

[Polybius]

31. Those who are among the most liberal or conservative are never House leaders

We will never see her as our Speaker, or Marjorie Taylor Greene as theirs. The same holds true with Senate leaders.

[Hortensis]

33. Yes, couldn't and wouldn't be. JD are IL-LIBERAL left, tho, not liberal.

Moving farther out the LW spectrum, the liberalism of the Democratic Party is increasingly left behind.

JD also tends to be anti-democracy (not just anti-Democratic) and authoritarian. In spite of claiming similar goals as the liberal Democratic Party, illiberal LW authoritarians/leaners are much more similar to illiberal RW authoritarians.

"Worse is better." A quote that JD leaders are inspired by for how to make a people desperate enough to open the door for an extremist takeover -- from a ruinously successful LW revolutionary of the past.

[whathehell]

57. Likely true..

The Uber rich can stop shaking in their boots.

[H2O Man]

11. Recommended.

[PatrickforB]

12. We need more like AOC. She is outstanding.

I wish she were my Representative.

[JoeOtterbein]

13. K n R ! Thanks for posting!

For sure!

[brooklynite]

15. No, not particularly...

If she was briefed to ask Cohen the questions, other people new about the allegations as well.

[DLCWIdem]

18. She wasn't the only one questioning Cohen on that

[JohnSJ]

20. Some credit, but so do others. However, some of the DSA can take credit for helping

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trump get elected by encouraging progressives in the general election in 2016 to either vote Jill Stein, or not vote for the Democratic nominee.

These include notables such as Sirota, Nina Turner, Cornell West, Susan Sarandan, Briahna Joy Gray, etc.

In every critical swing state the Democratic nominee in 2016 lost by less than 1%, while the Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those Critical Swing States.

It needs to be noted that AOC voted for Hillary in the general election as did Bernie Sanders

It was a team effort during that process, and that included Rep Ocasio-Cortez

The committee chairman, Elijah Cummings, co-ordinated that process, and it was a very sad affair when the Democratic nominee had been voted on, that Elijah Cummings was booed by supporters of other candidates during his speech at the convention.

AOC gave a memorable compasionate expression on the passing of Elijah Cummings, how it was a devasting loss for us

Lesson, United we win, divided we lose

[Nixie]

26. Thanks for keeping it real.

Trump had a lot of help, unfortunately.

[Me.]

41. Truly

[happy feet]

21. Elijah Cummings was committee chair

And the Dems smartly coordinated their questioning. She wasn't the only one questioning on this topic. She gets credit, only, for playing the role assigned her. No Dem on the committee gets more credit than the other. We win when we coordinate and play as a team rather than grandstanding individually which has happened when questioning is uncoordinated.

There are many other more experienced and talented to succeed Pelosi before AOC which is not to reject that she may someday be speaker

[KPN]

25. Yeah, I think so. We need more like her.

[Hortensis]

27. She'll have to line up way behind Gary Trudeau and 40 years of

other NY cartoonists who've (among MANY others) been calling out tRump crimes all that time.



Btw, regarding Ocasio-Cortez's future ambitions, the socialist and illiberal left includes a lot of populist and authoritarian types who are strongly attracted to male leaders. And, of course, her ideological demographic is small; she'd have to broaden her appeal substantially to run for higher office, turning off a lot of her original supporters. Just some potential problems to consider if she seeks higher office.

As for speaker, I don't see her even wanting it. The speaker of the house is the ultimate "most admired," "most popular," "most competent," "most powerful" INSIDER position. The Democratic Party's and individual members' achievements all depend on their electing a powerfully competent speaker who shares their goals.

She really may have some of the exceptional talent needed, but would she, even if she could, become someone who'd commit to leading over 200 very diverse Democrats to achievement of what they came to congress for? Pelosi does it while remaining a history-making strong progressive personally. But it requires a lot of compromise. Even if she would and could (both seemingly doubtful), Ocasio'd have to change so much that she'd lose those of her current following who regard the compromises speakers must make as failure of principle and proof of corruption.

So what, then? She's said she doesn't want to take Bernie Sanders' intentional ultimate senate outsider (isolated and unadmired by his colleagues) model for her own, but so far she seems to be trapping herself in it by the very behaviors that attract her followers. I don't think she likes the actual job of being a congresswoman, though, but it has many plusses, so maybe she'll choose to continue as she is as long as she's reelected.

[Me.]

40. Indeed

and I would like people to know that AG James brought and end to Trump U and The Trump Foundation all on her own.

[Hortensis]

42. :) Indeed.

Ocasio-Cortez's special ability is that she may be able to "reach" some who are politically disengaged and/or poisoned against Democrats and the duties of citizenship, especially some young people.

Not that she can inform highly committed professionals, including AG James, about their fields of expertise.

[Me.]

43. Indeed

[betsuni]

52. Last paragraph is so true.

I'd hoped she'd become independent from the Justice Democrats but didn't happen. Keeps her ideological demographic small and having to worry about turning off her original supporters, as you say. (Like in her first year voting for a budget bill and getting criticism because the JD position was Defund ICE, so she voted against the next budget bill saying it was because of ICE funding, but that bill didn't have any funding for ICE. Makes the job so much harder having to worry about passing purity tests. Almost impossible.) No future in JD. No wonder she said she didn't know if she'd continue in politics. Must be stressful. Dump JD and go all in with liberal Democrats!

[malaise]

28. Love AOC

Nothing corporate about her

[Emile]

32. She is going to be a great President someday!