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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:56 AM Sep 2022

How did Trump manage to get away with his brazen criminal acts for so long?

The politicians in New York must have known what he was doing? But, did they really care? He was giving them huge donations, Democrats and Republicans, in exchange for special tax breaks and special treatment.

They must have questioned where he was getting all his money? They must have thought that he was laundering money or something? But nobody challenged him. Nobody charged him. Nobody indicted him. He was untouchable in the state of New York.

It went on for decades. There were no guardrails and no binding rules. His only restraint was his imagination. Everything was about making money, fraudulently or otherwise. He usually chose to do it fraudulently. Don't pay taxes. Tell the authorities his properties were worth five or ten times their actual value, especially when attempting to put them up as collateral for a loan, so he could buy a golf course or a mansion down in Florida. Create a charitable foundation and use the money as an expense account. There were no rules for Donald Trump. He never hesitated to cheat. In fact, he preferred it.

He loved to brag about how easy he could accumulate wealth. He never said it was largely due to fraud. Tax fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud, whatever it took.

So it was no big surprise that he would continue his criminal ways once he made it to the White House. Although not yet proven, he may have acted criminally to get to the White House, with the assistance of his Russian friends? He saw it as an opportunity to make his deals all around the world. He could be the King of the World.

But then, he lost an election he was not supposed to lose. He hated leaving the White House more than anything in his life. He relished the power of being the President of the United States. It massaged his ego better than anything ever.

He refused to let go of the power he had accumulated over the four years in the White House. He created the "Big Lie". And he persuaded his followers to echo his grievances. He was willing to tear the country apart to maintain control of his power. He incited a mob to attack the US Capitol and attempted to overthrow the previous election and to declare himself the true winner. Many people bought into his "Big Lie".

However, before he would leave quietly and with dignity, he chose to steal national security secrets and take them to Mar-a-Lago with him. That brazen act led the FBI to go into his mansion and seize the documents he had stolen. He was caught red-handed.

Then the AG of New York sued him for $250 million dollars for the many crimes and fraudulent acts he had committed over the years. She had the receipts.

Finally, it looks like the law has finally caught up with Donald Trump? Will he be able to buy his way out? Will he be able to threaten and extort to get his way? Or will he finally be held accountable?



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How did Trump manage to get away with his brazen criminal acts for so long? (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2022 OP
Follow the money. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #1
Actually, I'd say follow the bullshit. Initech Sep 2022 #34
Cooperating Gentleman of long duration? bucolic_frolic Sep 2022 #2
GREAT article!!! Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #7
I wonder how many of those stolen files are actually about this intrepidity Sep 2022 #12
Even if all this is true, even if Chump really was a confidential informant FakeNoose Sep 2022 #20
Yep, TFG is another Whitey Bulger uponit7771 Sep 2022 #24
Wow, that all makes sense PatSeg Sep 2022 #29
The media said it was ok. triron Sep 2022 #48
Wow. What a wealth of background information. wnylib Sep 2022 #39
Fascinating Wild blueberry Sep 2022 #40
Thank you! Fascinating. r&k MerryBlooms Sep 2022 #45
I remember in the debate with Hillary where he said that not paying any taxes proved he's smart Walleye Sep 2022 #3
+1 dalton99a Sep 2022 #5
Not defending Trump but I bet there are plenty more like him nt doc03 Sep 2022 #4
To a lesser degree... kentuck Sep 2022 #9
I've come to the conclusion that high end real estate... Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #15
Art is the same fescuerescue Sep 2022 #17
Fully agree...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #18
this would be a good time for all states to mandate submission of 5 years tax records samnsara Sep 2022 #6
This!👆 SheltieLover Sep 2022 #31
Yes. States for elections of wnylib Sep 2022 #41
We are not serious about white collar crime in this country Maeve Sep 2022 #8
Behind every great fortune is a great crime...NT Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #16
Agreed. aocommunalpunch Sep 2022 #19
Those who turned their back on what trump was doing also need to face consequences for not doing JohnSJ Sep 2022 #10
Absolutely! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #32
it shows there is something very wrong with the system - and he came close to getting another term samsingh Sep 2022 #11
Rudy was a Prosecutor in NYC back then,,,, FarPoint Sep 2022 #13
IIRC Rudy was at one time investigating trump until he got Ray Bruns Sep 2022 #27
That makes perfect sense! FarPoint Sep 2022 #46
Always suspected Rudy used the Russian mob to take down Costa Nostra. haele Sep 2022 #47
Trump's downfall Zambero Sep 2022 #14
Is he going to be indicted on criminal charge on this ? Probably not. CentralMass Sep 2022 #21
+1 Sneederbunk Sep 2022 #25
When someone of power wants to stop, hurt, or slow another, that's when they dig up the dirt. lindysalsagal Sep 2022 #22
A wealthy white male power structure that protected the wealthy white male power structure Johonny Sep 2022 #23
Yes, and as much as I hate to admit it VWolf Sep 2022 #26
"Death of a Salesman- the Update." calimary Sep 2022 #28
TFGs daddy showed him the ropes... BlueIdaho Sep 2022 #30
"Greed is good" culture. The implicit message of forty years of Gaugamela Sep 2022 #33
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #35
In general, from the time he was elected to office... GreatShakes66 Sep 2022 #36
I am willing to bet that his most often repeated phrase when teaching his children was, world wide wally Sep 2022 #37
He had a lot of accomplices Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #38
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Traildogbob Sep 2022 #42
Payoff's, Lawsuits, Intimidation - through guys like M Cohen... Lucinda Sep 2022 #43
Just like any other narcissistic sociopath mercuryblues Sep 2022 #44
three words: RICH WHITE MAN Skittles Sep 2022 #49

Initech

(100,063 posts)
34. Actually, I'd say follow the bullshit.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:36 AM
Sep 2022

Trump has a massive right wing propaganda arm that would happily jump off a cliff for him and would kill anyone who stands in their way.

intrepidity

(7,294 posts)
12. I wonder how many of those stolen files are actually about this
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:56 AM
Sep 2022

Donald has a very long history with organized crime.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
20. Even if all this is true, even if Chump really was a confidential informant
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:08 AM
Sep 2022

... all that happened over 25 years ago. The TREASON he has committed in the last 6 years will never get a pass from the DoJ or the FBI. If it does, then our country is already screwed.

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
39. Wow. What a wealth of background information.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:46 AM
Sep 2022

Explains a lot. Looks like Trump does not have official Russian government kompromat on several politicians but rather information/threats from mob sources.

So, exposing Trump as an informant would no doubt get him killed, right? Hmm.

But it would make him a martyr to his followers.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
9. To a lesser degree...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:04 AM
Sep 2022

I would agree. The real estate and banking businesses are not well-regulated.

But, I doubt that many of them were as brazen as Donald Trump.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
15. I've come to the conclusion that high end real estate...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:01 AM
Sep 2022

is one of the biggest money laundering and transfer industries in the world. It's international. You can set prices basically wherever you want to and nobody really questions profits or "losses."

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
6. this would be a good time for all states to mandate submission of 5 years tax records
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:02 AM
Sep 2022

..or not get on their ballot. My gawd we could have maybe stopped this madness way back when trump whined about audits. But nooooooo ...we were ALREADY treating him special!

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
41. Yes. States for elections of
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:54 AM
Sep 2022

Senators and House members, as well as in smaller, local elections.

And federal law. Mandatory tax records release in order to be a candidate in federal elections and appointments.

Maeve

(42,281 posts)
8. We are not serious about white collar crime in this country
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:02 AM
Sep 2022

If you can get rich, we really don't care how--it's the American Way, baby!!

But sell loose cigarettes for pocket change and we'll come down on you like a ton of bricks...

aocommunalpunch

(4,236 posts)
19. Agreed.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:07 AM
Sep 2022

If consequences are NOT doled out for transgressions, I'd imagine those who can put those consequences in motion or their superiors have solid PERSONAL INTERESTS in no consequences. "If we go after MF45 for ___________, that will open the door to going after so-&-so and others like them." That starts to step on some toes. Oopsie. "What I MEANT was

JohnSJ

(92,152 posts)
10. Those who turned their back on what trump was doing also need to face consequences for not doing
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:07 AM
Sep 2022

Last edited Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)

their job


FarPoint

(12,344 posts)
13. Rudy was a Prosecutor in NYC back then,,,,
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:56 AM
Sep 2022

Plus, Rudy as mayor,,,,,surely he was willing to look the other way even back then.....

FarPoint

(12,344 posts)
46. That makes perfect sense!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 03:19 PM
Sep 2022

And we know how the rest of their long-standing relationship bloomed....

haele

(12,647 posts)
47. Always suspected Rudy used the Russian mob to take down Costa Nostra.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 03:26 PM
Sep 2022

The Russian mob were sure quick to fill in the vacuum when the Italian mobsters were brought down.

Haele

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
14. Trump's downfall
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:58 AM
Sep 2022

From day one, he's displayed an insatiable ego and craves being in the spotlight. Not a stable foundation for someone who works the system and cooks the books for the purpose of inflating his perceived wealth. Couple that with his ascent to the presidency while ramping up his corrupt enterprises, all the while self-assured that his position allows him to get away with anything and everything. At some point, his delusion was going to catch up with him.

lindysalsagal

(20,678 posts)
22. When someone of power wants to stop, hurt, or slow another, that's when they dig up the dirt.
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:31 AM
Sep 2022

But when everyone's on the take, no one wants to ruin things for everyone else. Human nature.

Johonny

(20,835 posts)
23. A wealthy white male power structure that protected the wealthy white male power structure
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:41 AM
Sep 2022

In some sense, it's clear his banks to which he owed millions to, were part of the problem. They continued to finance him because the Trump name meaning something was thought to be their only hope to retaining any of the value in these failing assets. Now that his name means crap, and the old white male power structure is gone from much of New York. He's probably toast. More than that, I assume the people he has defrauded, the banks, the insurance companies, the contractors, will line up to drain Trump and company for the rest of their lives. He folded quickly in the Trump University case. He won't put up much of a fight here. He's guilty and can't stop from going on national TV and incriminating himself further.

Then, there are the criminal charges which much like these civil cases, is another flood gate about to open.

We will probably see Laura Trump and the rest of the non-related gang, devest themselves of the mess and hide their horde from the rest of the family's finance's while they still can.

You can forget about 2024 too because the GOP has been waiting 8 long years to bounce on him after what he did on the debate stage in 2016. Jeb, DeSantis, Cruz, they will all pile on the fraud and belittle him. He's a moron and can't defend himself against real challenges as shown repeatedly one on one on foreign visits.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
26. Yes, and as much as I hate to admit it
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:01 AM
Sep 2022

the Dems in NY share some culpability for his rise to "power" ... so to speak.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
33. "Greed is good" culture. The implicit message of forty years of
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:33 AM
Sep 2022

neoliberal philosophy is that corruption is the system. We used to veneer it with BS about trickle down economics, but nobody buys that nonsense anymore, so now they just appeal to the basest instincts of human nature while waving their fat floppy bible around as justification.

GreatShakes66

(79 posts)
36. In general, from the time he was elected to office...
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:40 AM
Sep 2022

I think it was mainly a case of people in power refusing to believe that a sitting U.S. President would be so brazenly corrupt and lawless and getting caught flat footed when he turned out to be exactly that corrupt and lawless. And then people on the Democratic side of the aisle again getting caught flat-footed when the Republicans did nothing to curb his abuses other than to ocassionally offer a "tsk tsk" kind of comment.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
37. I am willing to bet that his most often repeated phrase when teaching his children was,
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:44 AM
Sep 2022

"Just tell them..."

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
38. He had a lot of accomplices
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:45 AM
Sep 2022

At all levels of government and industry. Legal and otherwise. The network of corruption looks and smells like the sewer in NYC. Power and money bought him influence and protection.

Until now.

Let's not squander this. Let's not dawdle. He'll announce his candidacy for 2024 and hurl us into another "constitutional crisis" if we give him time.

Traildogbob

(8,717 posts)
42. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:55 AM
Sep 2022

And most of it was not even his. But you have to throw he is the most talented zero conscious ability to lie easier than any human in History. THAT IS HIS ART of anything he does. If he is breathing it’s a lie. And Fox took that skill of lying to build their fortune, and will get away with it like trumps done his whole life. With the cover of God. Mostly because of stupid people are so easily separated from their money. Normally I would not care if they lost everything forking cash to these liers, except they are taking down the nation in the process.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
44. Just like any other narcissistic sociopath
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 12:03 PM
Sep 2022

When he burns 1 bridge, he uses another. Pays off the right people.

I actually think is worth a lot more than even he states. He does a business deal in Qatar, they put a % of his cash in an offshore account and also give him a respectable amount to (under)report for income.

He launders money, his share goes into an offshore account and never reported to the IRS. I believe he is only broke in the US.

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