Many people here on DU are showing their true homophobic colors.

[Lunabell]

Just because Judy Gold is gay does NOT make it ok to mock anyone's sexuality. There are gay republicans. Would it be ok for them to mock Pete Buttigieg just because they are also gay?

Herschel Walker, an African American republican says that black fathers are missing from families and that is a major, major problem for black families. But, Walker is black, so he gets a pass for his insane comments?

You don't get a pass for homophobia because you are gay.

[CurtEastPoint]

1. She inferred it: "He's never even seen a vagina." I get what you are saying, though. I'm gay.

I despise LG but yeah, I don't get a pass,.

[Skittles]

3. I guess I see Lindsey's extreme hypocrisy as the bigger issue

yup

[SheltieLover]

5. Same here

[LW1977]

76. Agreed

[Skittles]

88. like with kinky stuff

I honestly do not care what consenting adults do - but if you are part of a party that regularly judges the morals of others, YES YOU WILL BE JUDGED if you're caught in a compromising position.

it's the HYPOCRISY, it BURNS.

[Walleye]

6. He could be just celibate

[Meadowoak]

15. Not according to the male escorts in the DC area. Some have

Threatened to out LG because of the damage he's done to LGBT community with his voting record.

[former9thward]

25. Then why haven't they?

Who is stopping them?

[Meadowoak]

28. Probably fear of the GOP thugs.

[former9thward]

45. So over the many years LG has been a national figure

and even longer in SC, all these escorts are afraid of "thugs'. Absolutely none will come forward? Ok...

[oldsoftie]

58. Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Too many years & too many eyes.

THESE days especially good luck going ANYWHERE & not being spotted. And especially when you're a major name like Graham.

[Meadowoak]

62. Here's a link.

https://www.towleroad.com/2020/06/lindsey-graham-gay-2/

[oldsoftie]

81. Apparently EVERYBODY knows SOMEBODY but NOBODY has any PROOF.

But a lot of "Onlyfans" links

[Cuthbert Allgood]

94. Listen to Last Podcast on the Left

One of the hosts of the show talks about his friend that is a male escort in DC. He talks about several of the Republicans that person talks about as a client. I believe him.

[oldsoftie]

123. Well you can certainly believe him, but SAYING it isn't proof.

Anyone can SAY anything. It wouldnt hold up in court. Can't believe nobody has kept ANY kind of evidence of some sort.
All we have is gossip

[Captain Zero]

137. Because they got PAID? So to come forward...

and out Lindsey would be to admit they committed the crime of prostitution. It gets sticky from that point. I'm don't think I'm judging, that's just the dynamic that I see involved. I think this is the dynamic involved in a lot of Republican stances, if certain behaviors are kept illegal then it's Kompromat to keep people in line. I would bet money anytime Lindsey has stepped out of line he has been reminded by Trump and McConnel what they know about his dalliances into sex for hire.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

138. If you don't think there are people that engage is illegal stuff with politicians in DC

and don't say a thing about it, I have a bridge to sell you.

It's the stupid ones that do things with people that won't keep their mouths shut. We don't know everything that everyone does if they are good at it.

[oldsoftie]

141. Oh I'd bet 90% of them are doing or have done shit thats either illegal or unethical.

From stock trading to affairs to accepting "gifts".
And while certainly I agree with your last sentence, we wont know EVERYTHING but at some point we should know SOMETHING.

[paleotn]

56. Bingo

[Treefrog]

67. You believe all gossip you hear?

Please.

[Chainfire]

92. I did not read her comment that way.

There are a lot of straight men who have never seen one either, regardless how much that they would like to. For example the INCELs.

Perhaps I didn't listen closely enough, but I didn't get it as a homophobic remark, but as a pitiful loser remark.

[brush]

2. Try "some" people here on DU.

No blanket condemnations, pls.

[Lunabell]

4. Thanks.

I edited it to many. Because there do seem to be many. Sadly.

[peppertree]

7. I hear you - but what makes the difference here, is the rank hypocrisy

As you know, ever since Reagan - of whom there've been many bi-sexual rumors over the years - learned that he could weaponize homophobia to run up the score for his '84 re-election (he certainly didn't need to), the GOP has made LGBT hatred a centerpiece of its political identity.

This has morphed into outright calls for genocide from more than a few of them.

Accordingly, any LGBT individual (I'm bi myself - and by myself) who insists on staying on as a Republican official or candidate, I'd say, is fair game for anything one might want to call them - short of obscenities or threats to his/her safety.

As you put it, they don't get a pass because they're gay.

[Meadowoak]

17. +1

[peppertree]

19. Thank you.

It is what it is.

[oldsoftie]

61. Its not necessarily "homophobia" either.

I mean I don't even know who Judy Gold is, but thats a pretty lame joke. Who's to say when its offensive? There are 2 ends to every spectrum; one that sees nothing wrong with ANYTHING & one that is offended by EVERYTHING.

[peppertree]

132. Good point

When in doubt, tact is always best.

But boy - if some people don't make you put that to the test, right?

[oldsoftie]

140. YES!

[Me.]

11. Quite

[Sympthsical]

12. Are you this cavalier when "allies" use racist terms?

Or is that different?

If it is, I'd like the difference explained.

[Hekate]

14. I am not cavalier about very damn much, thank you

[Sympthsical]

32. You just were with homophobia

I'd like to know why.

You're inviting people to not care when homophobia is used by our side to attack others.

As a gay man, I must regretfully decline the invitation.

[Walleye]

20. The difference is, men are actively trying to restrict women's rights. And they should keep out

[Sympthsical]

31. What does his being gay have to do with it

That it is mock and laugh worthy?

Please, proceed with further explanation.

[Walleye]

34. I don't know that was a stupid remark on my part. I'm just pissed at everything right now.

I certainly don’t approve of homophobic slurs in any situation. How do you call out the hypocrisy of a man who has nothing to do with women, but wants to rule over them

[Tree-Hugger]

22. Yet here you are, fighting

Graham is a piece of shit. He needs to go down. Homophobia is not acceptable. Dems are allowed to call out other Dems when we see bigotry. Not holding one another accountable is a GOP trait.

[Sympthsical]

9. It's fine

They know a gay person.

That's like blanket permission right there.

[Lunabell]

10. And the quadrupling down on homophobia continues.

Because they hate Graham. So, it's ok. Pathetic.

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. I'm not familiar with any specific comments you're referring to, however

I think it’s possible to condemn LG for his (likely) closeted hypocrisy without being homophobic.

We can speak out against anti-democracy fascists without resorting to homo/transphobia, misogyny, fat shaming, etc.

The fascists have plenty of criticizable flaws and behaviours that don’t involve race, gender, sexuality or appearance.

[Tree-Hugger]

16. It's not just Lindsey Graham

Sure, he's been a topic today, but homophobia and transphobia have been an issue here among some people. Misogyny and bigotry, too. It seems it gets a pass when it targets someone that's hated.

I don't know what the solution is - I have alerted clearly homophobic and transphobic posts in the past only to see them remain. I have been on juries for the same thing and have watched said posts remain. I recall a "no tolerance for transphobia" post from Earl G, I believe, but it didn't seem to do much.

I'm part of the LGBTQIA+ community. I am of childbearing age. The laws passed by these pieces of shit are harmful to me. I just don't use homophobia to fight against them.

[Lunabell]

21. It's really sad and pathetic that these people just don't get it.

And furthermore, following their own beliefs that it's ok for a gay person to mock his sexuality, if they're not LGBTQ they should shut the fuck up.

[Tree-Hugger]

26. They either don't realize or

....they don't care that when they mock someone for being LGBTQIA+ (closeted or not) they do harm to the greater community. It doesn't matter how awful they are, using their sexuality against them is wrong. There are a million other things to criticse Lindsey Graham about. I could spend all day calling that evil ass out without needing to resort to homophobia.

[FreeState]

71. That's the problem there

Institutionalized homophobia, racism no sexism exists here and needs fixed. The current way of moderating is nothing short of institutionalized majority rules. It certainly isn’t democratic.

[demmiblue]

18. K&R. (well, at least "Name removed - Message auto-removed" is no longer with us)

[Silent3]

23. There's a basic disagreement on whether calling out hypocrisy on such things...

...is actually a form of homophobic behavior.

A gay Republican who isn't outspoken enough about Republican anti-gay policies to have earned the label "RINO" from their fellow Republicans is either self-loathing and/or an enormous hypocrite.

[Lunabell]

24. This was not about his alleged hypocrisy on LGBTQ issues.

That's a horse of a different color.

[Silent3]

27. Even when Graham isn't speaking specifically about LGBTQ+ issues...

...the hypocrisy is there, and I have no trouble with people calling that out as a way to discredit him on any other issue.

[Lunabell]

29. And you double down on homophobia.

I guess you have to live with yourself.

[Silent3]

36. You simply wrong about that.

Regardless of how emphatically you state it, or how inflexible your opinion has become on the matter.

[Ms. Toad]

139. There is no disagreement as to whether it is acceptable on DU.

From an earlier thread EarlG (the site owner) locked when the juries didn't do their jobs (emphasis added):

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's attacking women's sex lives, so his is fair game.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because we can't beat Republicans unless we sink to their level.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's a hypocrite.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable if they're true.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's powerful so it's punching up.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because the woman who started it is gay.

WRONG.

Locking, with disgust and disappointment at the people in this thread who still think making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is okay on DU.

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17194738

[demmiblue]

30. Damn, one person has had three hides over this issue.

Well, at least she persisted.

[Sneederbunk]

33. In the age of coming out, effeminate men are left in a quandary.

[Lunabell]

37. I have avery good friend from highschool who is, um, effeminate. (I don't like that word)

And he is a happily married man to his wife of 35 years. He is wonderful. Not LGBTQ and it's wrong to assume his sexuality. Look at Eric Stonestreet. He's not your average macho man, he's not gay and an ally.

[oldsoftie]

60. He said on Modern Family he just played his mom.

And I'm surprised THAT show didnt get a lot of complaints because there were plenty of gay jokes. But there were plenty of jokes about EVERYBODY!! Great show. I miss it

[pnwmom]

64. All their friends thought my parents were happily married, too -- for 3 decades.

No one outside of a particular marriage knows -- not very good friends, not very close relatives, no one -- unless one of them WANTS you to know.

[jrthin]

35. At the risk of sounding naive, I didn't take the joke as a knock on his sexuality.

I heard the joke literally. He's never seen a woman naked. He's never had sex with a woman. It may surprise a lot of people but there are people who have never had sex with the opposite sex. They are just asexual. Not gay or straight.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. The rationalization is sick.

Some of the people doing this...I am surprised. I am not surprised it is being done, mind you. Homophobia is acceptable when the target is "unlikeable", "a hypocrite", " (insert reason du jour" ) or "uttered by another GLB person".

Then there are the age old, "but some of my best friends are gay", "this gay person I know (you don't though), claims it is OK", or "I am gay and I have no problem with it, therefore no other gay person should and this is a pass for straight people."

Seems certain minorities aren't minorities when the majority decides it so. Let the 'splainin' begin!

As a Jew, I am really accustomed to the above line of "reasoning".

[Lunabell]

39. I have a black friend or relative, so...

I can't be a racist.

[Tree-Hugger]

41. +1 nt

[hlthe2b]

40. I have no concern whatsoever for his sexual orientation. The issue is his willingness to kill women

after first making them "less than"-- less than cells in a petri dish. Less than any man, gay, straight, black, or white. Women in Lindsey's ideal world will have no rights, no autonomy. Hell, they won't even be 3/5 human.

While I don't condone homophobia here or anywhere else and in any manner whatsoever, I'd say the FATE of women in this country is what we need to focus on. It is immediate. And what follows will ultimately impact every other group the RW decides to deem the "OTHER." It has already been put in motion with the trans community.

[Emile]

42. Being gay is not something to shame or embarrass someone with.

That is common sense.

[Skittles]

52. how about to point out extreme hypocrisy

?

[Hortensis]

43. I've noticed that many don't recognize bigotry by itself. Some condemn

what their accepted "tribe" identifies as bigotry against a protected target, but happily join in bigoted attacks against those their tribe doesn't protect, even may sanction as targets.

In my observation, on forums where I go Christians and white people have been the most frequent unprotected targets of rampant, even vicious, religious and racist bigotry -- by people who at the same time will be horrified and outraged at attacks on groups the tribe protects -- such black people or an indigenous people's religion. Sniggering over homosexuality and joining in antisemitic attacks both seem to fall somewhere along the "partially-protected to fair game" spectrum depending on who's involved.

In any case, some really don't know; they want to be good but need help. Some do know perfectly well and indulge themselves safely by attacking unprotected target groups, then claiming the good intentions of the crowd.

Fwiw, IMO always directing criticism against individuals honestly believed to have earned it, and never against whole groups, is the best way forward for those who aren't always sure where to draw the line and assume others will do it.

[Tree-Hugger]

70. Yep

I saw a post the other day calling out transphobia. That post was alerted and, I believe, removed. The transphobuc comments stayed. It may have been your post.

[Brainfodder]

46. Stay out of other peoples personal choices/born this way, that do not factor into your life 1iota?

I am anti-anti-abortion law fan too.

Good luck!

[sarisataka]

47. Never happens in my tribe

We only claim the end justifies the means for good reasons.



It's not just homophobia...

[johnp3907]

48. Open season on overweight people too.

[Tree-Hugger]

55. Yep

Just a few posts above this is Trump and his rump.

[Elessar Zappa]

65. I'm speaking for myself here

but I don’t mind weight jokes. I’m fat, I know it, I eat a lot and I don’t care if people joke about it or not. I wouldn’t make fun of someone about their weight but I don’t mind, say, a comedian making fat jokes. To me, it’s not anywhere near the same as homophobia, sexism, or racism.

[plimsoll]

49. Aren't those comments directed at an allegedly gay but positively misogynist Senator?

So while the comments are possibly homophobic they could also be addressing the extreme misogyny. I get your point, and I don't think the comments needed repeating on DU, but I originally took it as an attack on his misogyny. For the record I don't think being a gay man == misogynist, but LG really does seem to hate women.

[MatthewG.]

50. It's the hypocrisy.

Very few people, if any, who vote Democratic seriously care about other adult’s sexual lives.

We do care about the rank hypocrisy of people who make political gains by voting against basic human rights for gays and publicly allying with the most vicious homophobes, while secretly living a life they and their allies-of-convenience condemn.

I’ll offer that there are gay conservatives, like Andrew Sullivan, who I disagree with on many important issues but who I would never call out for hypocrisy because they’re pro-same sex marriage rights and have shown a willingness to publicly confront and call out the religious right.

[The Wizard]

51. Graham identifies with a Party that

marginalizes LGBQT people, of which many say Lindsey is. Criticizing hypocrisy is normal.

[Skittles]

54. correct

nothing pathetic about that

[paleotn]

57. Bingo. No matter someone's orientation.

[Lunabell]

53. And here we go some more.

It's ok if it's the other guy. Y'all need to learn about internalized homophobia. It kills LGBTQ folks and you just don't seem to care. I'm so ashamed for so many on here. Disappointed, ashamed and disgusted.

And, in case you haven't noticed, all of those posts were removed. Doesn't that mean ANYTHING to you?!?!

[OilemFirchen]

99. Well that's just weird.

You're responding to yourself, admonishing yourself for not knowing about internalized homophobia, then pointing out to yourself that you may be ignorant about "all of those posts" which were removed, which, BTW, is exactly one.

Simultaneously, you're complaining elsewhere that such posts are never removed.

I don't even remember your original post. Do you?

[Lunabell]

100. Yes.

What's your point or did you just come on here to chastize me?

[OilemFirchen]

101. You're asking ME what MY point is?

Oh my.

[Lunabell]

102. So.

You did just come on here to chastise me. Anything else?

[OilemFirchen]

106. Prolly not.

For now.

[paleotn]

59. There are gay Republicans....

hard as that may be for me to wrap my head around, same as Republican African Americans. Go figure. So what should we say about gay people attaching themselves to a political party who's powers that be would easily and without the slightest remorse revert to an Old Testament view of sexual orientation? Stoning included, mind you. I think the point here is hypocrisy and not orientation. Why some on DU can't wrap their heads around THAT I'll never know.

[Skittles]

97. yes

sorry, if you are gay yet are part of a party that actively indulges in homophobia and misogyny - FUCK THAT NOISE - ZERO fucking r consideration is deserved - their hypocrisy needs to be called out FAR AND WIDE

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

63. Making fun of a bullied group

It is not right to belittle a person's opinion because of their sexuality.

Because what you are really doing is letting it be known that you discredit all people with that trait.


According to the views of one or more in that discussion they were having, you cannot have respected opinions on things of which you are not a part of.

Let's see where that leads, in my opinion.

On childcare if you do not have children.
On retirement if you are not retired.
On the military if you have not served.
On women's health if you are a man.
On men's health if you are a woman.
On farming if you are not a farmer.
On single people if you have been married for long time.
On factory workers if you have never had a factory job.
On investments if you have never invested.
On loans, if you have never taken out a loan.
On lawyers if you are not a lawyer.
On immigrants if you are not an immigrant.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

95. Punching down is never a good thing.

Go after Graham while punching up to his privilege and position of power. Going after him by punching down only hurts the group as a whole that you are punching down on.

[Treefrog]

66. K & r.

Thank you and +1000.

[Warpy]

68. You sure they're not just showing his deep hypocrisy?

Look, without his confirmation, we don't know if he's gay, incel, or deeply gynophobic. What we do know is that he has absolutely no business commenting on the bodies and lives of women, much less voting on them in the Senate.

I don't think many people on DI give a shit what he does when the lights go out or who he does or doesn't do it with. I know I don't give a rip. What I do care about is that this male and others like him feel a desperate need to push half the human race back into the status of livestock, subject to the whims of male owners, with few choices of their own--and no rights as free citizens.

I don't care whose horse he rode in on, he is deeply unqualified and the dearth of women in his life means that nobody is around to tell him just how unqualified he really is.

Pointing out the man's deep hypocrisy is mandatory. Pointing out how unqualified he is to say anything about half the population is also mandatory. I honestly don't give a shit about his sex life or lack thereof. If the only way he can be shoved out of government is on a tsunami of snarky laughter, I am good with that.

Once he is a private citizen, he'll be as off limits as every other private citizen.

(Yeah, this will be a deeply unpopular opinion, I'm good with that, too. Fire away, I won't be back)

[Tomconroy]

69. I know nothing about Sen. Graham's sexual orientation or

Lack thereof and as far as I can see neither does anyone else on the board. The remarks were a slur, malevolent and stupid.
People should stick to debating the issues and skip the personal insults.

[Xipe Totec]

72. Never heard of Judy Gold before this post. Call me an ignoranus; that's fair. nt

[luv2fly]

74. You're not alone

I never had either, and if this is her sense of humor, I haven't been missing anything.

[BlackSkimmer]

75. Are you trying to change the subject?

And,if so, why?

[BlackSkimmer]

109. Well, that answers my question quite clearly.

Thanks.

[BlackSkimmer]

125. It's "you're", not "your".

[BlackSkimmer]

130. Ah, well.

I think I’ll not comment further.

[Lunabell]

77. So why are you so concerned with my profile?

What's up with that?

And why did you feel you had to post this inquiry? Are you trying to shame me or make some outrageous claim? 🤔

[Lunabell]

80. Sure, I buy that.

[Lunabell]

90. Well, that's really none of your business.

We're not friends.
And if you think you can intimidate me into silence, you're dealing wth the woman.

[BlackSkimmer]

133. Sure are a lot of self-deletions.

I didn’t even get to see what he said lol.

[Celerity]

93. It's a valid question. 'Bitch' is a misogynistic slur, yet you chose to use an adjectival form of it

as a self-described female in reference to yourself in your profile.

However, you then say that just because Gold is an open lesbian, that gives her no agency to crack on Graham when it comes to a nebulous rumour in order to point out hypocrisy and/or to ridicule him. In simple terms, you are saying that being in the same group (potentially in Graham's case) does not confer in-group rights to attack or mock.

That is all fair play opinion, BUT, following your own logic, it is also more than fair to question your own self-descriptive use of a misogynistic slur that is used against the group YOU (and I) belong to (females). Your being a female, using your own reasoning, does not give you agency to use a misogynistic slur.

[JI7]

85. It depends but I think being part of the group can make some difference

For example it would have come off worse if she was hetero. But that doesn't necessarily make what was said ok either.

The problem in this case is that it wouldn't and shouldn't matter whether he had seen or been with a woman.

Most of those trying to restrict women's rights are hetero men after all.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

98. How was I supposed to know her sexuality

It could not have come off worse.

And even if I knew, and everyone else knew her sexuality, homosexuals do not need to be seen as deserving of belittlement.

They are already unfairly burdened by much hate due to religions, etc.

[kaotikross]

86. It may not be bigotry

It maybe the correct assumption that no woman in their right mind would want to have a relationship with Lindsey Graham.

[Kath2]

87. I took it in an entirely different way.

I think Judy Gold was simply stating that it is ridiculous for old men who have never had sex to be telling women what to do with their own bodies. If that was what she meant, I agree.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

89. I have been assured many, many times on here that homophobia is okay when used to mock someone

who is abhorrent for other reasons, or if the person is (or is perceived to be) in some way a hypocrite. This goes for other forms of bigotry, such as fatphobia and ableism. It has been explained to me that this is a Very Important tactic that absolutely must be allowed because Democrats need to stop being nice and bigotry is a fine weapon when aimed only at certain people, and that in no way does bigotry ever hurt people on our side. Also, hypocrisy is apparently the worst thing a person can do and using bigoted language to point it out is fine and admirable!! The thing is, this reasoning never seems to apply to racism (I've asked), so I guess the whole thing is just beyond me.

[BlackSkimmer]

103. Yes, I've been assured of this also.

And then there’s the “we need to be as nasty as they are” proponents.

People love to snicker about Graham, and I’ve been here long enough to know who the posters are who delight in that sort of thing.

There’s hypocrisy all right, but perhaps not where they think it is.

[OilemFirchen]

104. Meanwhile, ACAB.

Amiright?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

105. Absolutely.

[OilemFirchen]

108. All ACAB mutterers are assholes.

AAMAA.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

111. Oh, I have never denied I'm an absolute dick online.

And I hope I'm not muttering. I try to say it clear.

[AntivaxHunters]

135. Comparing cops to LBTQIA people ain't it

[Crunchy Frog]

96. I haven't been following this and don't really know what it's about, but

Pete Buttigieg  isn't part of a party or political movement for which homophobia is a major driving force.

If the main criticism is hypocrisy, then there's no target in Pete Buttigieg.

Please forgive me if I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[boston bean]

107. Umm the man is a misogynist. I guess that gets a pass.

He doesn’t have a vagina and probably has not seen one.

How is that homophobic?

THE GUY LITERALLY DOES NOT WANT WOMEN TO CONTROL THEIR OWN BODIES.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

113. making fun of homosexuality

The comment was saying that male homosexuals are worthy of disrespect.

[W_HAMILTON]

112. I understand that viewpoint.

At the same time, I remember when Republicans like Graham were using my sexuality as a political tool to generate hate for people like me so that they could win more votes. This occurred during some of my most important formative years (teen --> young adult) and still has a lasting impact on me today -- and NOT for the better. So, to that, I also say FUCK LINDSEY GRAHAM and I could point you to a billion more important and worthwhile topics rather than defending his self-hating, hateful ass.

If you feel the need to be someone's hero, you could be the hero for someone that was once like me and is growing up thinking they have to hide their true selves because people like LINDSEY FUCKING GRAHAM was using bigoted hate to score political points.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

114. I'm protecting homosexuals.

This is not about protecting LG

It is about protecting an unfairly bullied, threatened and attacked group.

[W_HAMILTON]

117. Except you aren't

I am a homosexual and I see it as you protecting Lindsey Graham.

We aren't stupid. We can tell the difference between prejudiced attacks from actual bigots versus allies pointing out the hypocrisy in a self-hating (most likely) homosexual that has helped perpetrate and amplify hate and bigotry onto others.

If you think my life or any other LGBT's life is made worse because of that comedian's attacks on Lindsey Graham's hypocrisy versus what Lindsey Graham has done over the course of his shameful political career, you are wrong.

You think you are helping LGBT people, but you aren't. It's just the facts. You might as well be complaining about gay people reclaiming slurs to take their power away when you could be complaining about Republicans -- emboldened by the Supreme Court's ruling on abortion -- reigniting their ambition to do away with same-sex marriage.

Maybe in a perfect world your argument would be worthwhile, but this world is far from perfect and, as I said before, there are billions of other causes I can suggest for you if you have time and want to actually help people like those in the LGBT community rather than spending your time defending LINDSEY FUCKING GRAHAM.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

121. You say we are not stupid. I may be. And many are ignorant.

Where is the hypocrisy of a Homosexual being antiabortion?

And many may be ignorant about what LG has stood far. Now, they hear someone say homosexual's opinions should be disrespected.

Homosexuals may be hurt very little by this one episode, but perhaps if we do not call it out, it leads to having that kind of talk being pervasive in society. When homosexuals are hurt, we are all hurt.

I don't believe in reclaiming slurs when the slur is slung in a deeply derogatory way. But that is for another thread, I think.

I suggest that, if you have time and want to actually help people, that you help bring about nuclear disarmament.
It's going to be like post 9-11.

Did we really have to learn the hard way? The cost of not being proactive is unimaginable. Make it happen, please.

[W_HAMILTON]

122. The "homophobic attack" in question...

...resulted from a discussion of how Graham wants to ban abortion nationwide. The hypocrisy comes from his history of being anti-LGBT while it is speculated that he is gay himself, and now certain people are coming to his defense thinking it is somehow protecting the LGBT community when it is doing anything but.

And the rest of your post is strange. As I said before, we are not stupid. Trust me, we can differentiate between an LGBT ally attacking Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham or some other hateful bigot attacking the LGBT community.

As for your suggestion about nuclear disarmament -- -- I'm pretty sure LGBT hate is resulting in more deaths than nuclear weapons right now.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

124. time can do so much

When 6,000,000,000 die in a month and generations upon generations have dire conditions forecast for their future, it will be painfully obvious how important it should have been to us right now.

Rollin eyes will not age well.

[kcr]

116. Fuck Lindsey Graham

That is all.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

118. Wrong Thread NT

[kcr]

119. Someone needs attention I guess n/t

[William769]

120. What have I missed?

Seriously.

[NutmegYankee]

128. When you find out, please let me know.

The only thing I know of Judy gold is she's on the TruTV Smoking gun show.

[William769]

129. Oy.

And people are wasting time with this?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. They are showing their insensitivity. Calling them homophobes is a bit much

Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole and Lindsey Graham is an asshole.

[Ms. Toad]

134. For those who are not paying attention to voices like Lunabell's:

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's attacking women's sex lives, so his is fair game.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because we can't beat Republicans unless we sink to their level.

WRONG.

Here's what EarlG had to say when he locked the thread which almost certainly spawned this one:

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's a hypocrite.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable if they're true.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's powerful so it's punching up.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because the woman who started it is gay.

WRONG.

Locking, with disgust and disappointment at the people in this thread who still think making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is okay on DU.

https://democraticunderground.com/100217192724#post118

[Lunabell]

136. Thank you!

Internalized homophobia/transphobia kills LGBTQ people. I know. I grew up in a christo-fascist house and I know the pain, isolation, depression, self hatred that goes with it. My first suicide attempt was at 9 years old. I was lucky to make it out of my teens when I left home and accepted my true self in my early 20's. Not everyone can do that. I guess I just slogged it out until I got the correct help.

Graham is a complete shit, but if he's a closeted gay man he obviously has a serious problem with it. He deserves our pity and if someone can't muster up some pity, just don't add to the hate he already feels for himself for the way he was born. Attack everything else about him, but not something he isn't in control of.