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Putin Grants Russian Citizenship to Edward Snowden (Original Post) comradebillyboy Sep 2022 OP
Has he been issued his rifle and uniform yet? Walleye Sep 2022 #1
Okay you got me underpants Sep 2022 #3
I just wish he would do the same with Tucker Carlson Walleye Sep 2022 #6
Yes! This should happen. betsuni Sep 2022 #33
They both deserve each other, and Glenn Greenwald can join them JohnSJ Sep 2022 #2
Greenwald's too busy .... LenaBaby61 Sep 2022 #4
He lives in Brazil and he's now starting the same hacky routine. Except this time it's against Carlitos Brigante Sep 2022 #5
Dual citizenship? Pinback Sep 2022 #7
Not a chance has he renounced it fescuerescue Sep 2022 #8
Interesting, thanks. Pinback Sep 2022 #11
I know at least one person who holds both US and Russian citizenship. comradebillyboy Sep 2022 #10
Russia: New Law Eliminates Requirement to Renounce Foreign Citizenship Celerity Sep 2022 #27
Russia: New Law Eliminates Requirement to Renounce Foreign Citizenship Celerity Sep 2022 #28
I can think of several others that would fit right in PortTack Sep 2022 #9
I am thankful that Snowden exposed the US Government of their illegal activities. walkingman Sep 2022 #12
Comrade Eddie's hands are not clean. He took some... brush Sep 2022 #13
+1 betsuni Sep 2022 #19
Plus 1 questionseverything Sep 2022 #14
What a fucking joke. Why did he run off to China and Russia JI7 Sep 2022 #15
Why? For asylum, he was charged with violation of the Espionage Act by the US walkingman Sep 2022 #17
So he is ok with China and Russia violating people's freedom JI7 Sep 2022 #18
You certainly have the right to dislike him. He is/was simply running for his life. walkingman Sep 2022 #22
He whistle blew Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #36
He thinks he's smarter than everyone else. betsuni Sep 2022 #24
He was saying Biden was lying about Putin wanting to attack Ukraine JI7 Sep 2022 #30
What a tool. 100% guarantee Snowden fans don't know anything. betsuni Sep 2022 #31
This x 1000000 Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #37
Okay Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #35
+1 leftstreet Sep 2022 #20
I'm grateful to him too, he and Reality Winner. They both should have been pardoned. nt Autumn Sep 2022 #21
See post 13. He was ok with what he wa doing until he wasn't brush Sep 2022 #23
Innocent? "Dastardly stances against Obama"? Autumn Sep 2022 #25
Do you know his history before he turned? brush Sep 2022 #26
I remeber his neighbors complained that he had boxes in his garage. Autumn Sep 2022 #29
Good, give him.a rifle, boots, and a 'winter' cost and send him to Ukraine. haele Sep 2022 #16
Quid pro quo? moondust Sep 2022 #32
Ed Snowden Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #34

Walleye

(31,008 posts)
6. I just wish he would do the same with Tucker Carlson
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:37 PM
Sep 2022

Tucker loves Putin so much I’m sure he’d be glad to die for him and give up his luxurious comfortable life

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
4. Greenwald's too busy ....
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:20 PM
Sep 2022

criticizing and taking a bite out of Pres. Biden on the regular.

IF Greenwald hates this country so much as it appears, why doesn't he bounce his ass on over to russia.

Problem solved.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,500 posts)
5. He lives in Brazil and he's now starting the same hacky routine. Except this time it's against
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:23 PM
Sep 2022

Lula DaSilva. Dude has tons of criticisms, except for some reason that I can't quite figure out ( ), he can't seem to direct any of it to the right.

Pinback

(12,154 posts)
7. Dual citizenship?
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:37 PM
Sep 2022

“He was granted permanent residency in 2020 and said at the time that he planned to apply for Russian citizenship, without renouncing his U.S. citizenship.” - Huffington Post: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russia-snowden_n_6331ced4e4b01804e090a9d8

I don’t seem to remember hearing of anybody ever having dual citizenship in the U.S. and Russia before. Wonder if Snowden has actually retained his U.S. citizenship??

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
8. Not a chance has he renounced it
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:49 PM
Sep 2022

As it involves a personal appearance on US soil, an embassy or consulate.

Either way that puts him in arms reach for the US to arrest.

Pinback

(12,154 posts)
11. Interesting, thanks.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:54 PM
Sep 2022

I didn’t know how that worked.

So I’m sure the Russian postal service will send his absentee ballot in November.

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
10. I know at least one person who holds both US and Russian citizenship.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:52 PM
Sep 2022

I would imagine there are quite a few.

Celerity

(43,318 posts)
27. Russia: New Law Eliminates Requirement to Renounce Foreign Citizenship
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 07:49 PM
Sep 2022


https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-05-01/russia-new-law-eliminates-requirement-to-renounce-foreign-citizenship/

(May 1, 2020) On April 24, 2020, the Russian government portal for legal information published the text of the newly adopted Law on Amending the Law on Citizenship. (Federal Law No. 134-FZ of April 24, 2020, Concerning the Simplification of the Procedure for Acquisition of Russian Citizenship.) The new law, which will enter into force in three months, eliminates the current requirement that applicants renounce foreign citizenship to acquire citizenship of Russia. The current citizenship law (Federal Law No. 62-FZ of June 5, 2002, on Citizenship of the Russian Federation) (Law on Citizenship) provides for granting Russian citizenship to foreign nationals only if they can prove that they have reported their renunciation of foreign citizenship to the foreign state’s authorities.

The amendment to the current citizenship law applies to foreign citizens and stateless individuals who permanently reside in Russia. From now on, government offices dealing with immigration and citizenship issues, which had monitored the termination of Russian of foreign citizenship by Russian nationals, will be required only to accept written notification from the applicants for Russian citizenship that they hold or have terminated citizenship of another state. (Art. 1(3.b).)

These applicants for Russian citizenship are no longer subject to the three-year residency requirement, nor will they be required to prove that they have a legal source of income. This norm will also apply to foreign spouses of Russian nationals who have a common child and to foreigners who have at least one parent with Russian citizenship residing in Russia. (Art. 1(2.b).)

The law also eliminates the requirement that citizens of the former Soviet Union who continue to reside in one of the former Soviet republics without having citizenship of that republic take up residence in Russia in order to apply for naturalization. (Art. 1(2.c).) Those nationals of Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan who have a Russian residency permit no longer have to wait for three years before applying for Russian citizenship. (Art. 1(2.b).)

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Celerity

(43,318 posts)
28. Russia: New Law Eliminates Requirement to Renounce Foreign Citizenship
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 07:49 PM
Sep 2022


https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-05-01/russia-new-law-eliminates-requirement-to-renounce-foreign-citizenship/

(May 1, 2020) On April 24, 2020, the Russian government portal for legal information published the text of the newly adopted Law on Amending the Law on Citizenship. (Federal Law No. 134-FZ of April 24, 2020, Concerning the Simplification of the Procedure for Acquisition of Russian Citizenship.) The new law, which will enter into force in three months, eliminates the current requirement that applicants renounce foreign citizenship to acquire citizenship of Russia. The current citizenship law (Federal Law No. 62-FZ of June 5, 2002, on Citizenship of the Russian Federation) (Law on Citizenship) provides for granting Russian citizenship to foreign nationals only if they can prove that they have reported their renunciation of foreign citizenship to the foreign state’s authorities.

The amendment to the current citizenship law applies to foreign citizens and stateless individuals who permanently reside in Russia. From now on, government offices dealing with immigration and citizenship issues, which had monitored the termination of Russian of foreign citizenship by Russian nationals, will be required only to accept written notification from the applicants for Russian citizenship that they hold or have terminated citizenship of another state. (Art. 1(3.b).)

These applicants for Russian citizenship are no longer subject to the three-year residency requirement, nor will they be required to prove that they have a legal source of income. This norm will also apply to foreign spouses of Russian nationals who have a common child and to foreigners who have at least one parent with Russian citizenship residing in Russia. (Art. 1(2.b).)

The law also eliminates the requirement that citizens of the former Soviet Union who continue to reside in one of the former Soviet republics without having citizenship of that republic take up residence in Russia in order to apply for naturalization. (Art. 1(2.c).) Those nationals of Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan who have a Russian residency permit no longer have to wait for three years before applying for Russian citizenship. (Art. 1(2.b).)

snip

PortTack

(32,755 posts)
9. I can think of several others that would fit right in
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 01:51 PM
Sep 2022

bannon
Flynn
Clarence and ginni
Mtg
Gaetz
Ab-butt
Deathsatan
McCarthy
Turtle
Ron Jon
Dr ounce
All the j6 ppl along with the other cult members
Rand disgusting Paul
Steve miller
Meadows
Oh I could just keep going and going!

walkingman

(7,597 posts)
12. I am thankful that Snowden exposed the US Government of their illegal activities.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 02:05 PM
Sep 2022

So what is Snowden’s real crime? Like Ellsberg, Vanunu, and Bradley Manning before him, he uncovered questionable activities that those in power would rather have kept secret. That’s the valuable role that whistle-blowers play in a free society, and it’s one that, in each individual case, should be weighed against the breach of trust they commit, and the potential harm their revelations can cause. In some instances, conceivably, the interests of the state should prevail. Here, though, the scales are clearly tipped in Snowden’s favor.

As Daniel Ellsberg put it,“Snowden did what he did because he recognised the NSA’s surveillance programs for what they are: dangerous, unconstitutional activity. This wholesale invasion of Americans’ and foreign citizens’ privacy does not contribute to our security; it puts in danger the very liberties we’re trying to protect.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/why-edward-snowden-is-a-hero

brush

(53,764 posts)
13. Comrade Eddie's hands are not clean. He took some...
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 02:49 PM
Sep 2022

dastardly stances against Obama and his admin in particular. He was for the US government before he was against it. Something about Obama triggered him.

walkingman

(7,597 posts)
17. Why? For asylum, he was charged with violation of the Espionage Act by the US
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 04:16 PM
Sep 2022

His actions lead to the passage of the USA Freedom Act in 2015 which limited the collection of phone records.

I admire him for his audacity, sacrifice and determination to disclose the hypocrisy that all governments tout, esp the ones that repeatedly and most loudly claim that they best represent the will of the people and the best virtues of mankind.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
18. So he is ok with China and Russia violating people's freedom
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 04:26 PM
Sep 2022

There is nothing to admire about him.

walkingman

(7,597 posts)
22. You certainly have the right to dislike him. He is/was simply running for his life.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 05:21 PM
Sep 2022

He blew the whistle and became a victim because of it. If you hear or see something wrong what do you do? If you expose those in power of doing something illegal is that wrong? If you try to do it internally is that effective?

But I have a question?

Whistleblowing can often be illegal if the exposed information threatens national security. Intelligence Community employees are not covered by the WPA. Instead, the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act permits IC employees to report an “urgent concern” (even if it involves classified information) to the agency’s Inspector General and, ultimately, to the congressional intelligence committees. However, the ICWPA does not provide employees protection against retaliation if they make such disclosures. (taken from NYU factsheet)

Knowing that, is it a ethically or morally wrong to just "look the other way" if/when you find out that your government is engaged in illegal practices?

Dorian Gray

(13,491 posts)
36. He whistle blew
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 05:51 AM
Sep 2022

He could have faced the consequences here like Chelsea Manning did.

But he chose not to.

Why?

BC it wasn't about loving America.

He loves Russia.

betsuni

(25,470 posts)
24. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 06:42 PM
Sep 2022

Blamed Democrats for what Republicans did and is clueless.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
30. He was saying Biden was lying about Putin wanting to attack Ukraine
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 09:02 PM
Sep 2022

becsuse Biden himself wanted to attack something.

The guy is fraud and only idiots think there is anything good about him.

Dorian Gray

(13,491 posts)
35. Okay
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 05:50 AM
Sep 2022

Russia was the obvious freedom loving place for him to move to then.....

totally makes sense.

lol

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
25. Innocent? "Dastardly stances against Obama"?
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 07:30 PM
Sep 2022

All righty then.

Once again, I'm grateful to him too, he and Reality Winner. They both should have been pardoned.

haele

(12,647 posts)
16. Good, give him.a rifle, boots, and a 'winter' cost and send him to Ukraine.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 03:06 PM
Sep 2022

Oh, wait - nah, Snowden is a good propaganda prop. He'll do just fine until the new boss comes in and cleans house.

Harle

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