Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:19 AM
Atticus (15,124 posts)
Is it just possible that a good portion of the "inflstion" we are hearing about daily is
just mega-corporations spiking their prices in an effort to defeat more Democrats in the mid-terms AND pad their earnings?
We call that "gouging". They call that "a two-fer".
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Atticus | Sep 2022 | OP |
Chainfire | Sep 2022 | #1 | |
yardwork | Sep 2022 | #2 | |
Johnny2X2X | Sep 2022 | #3 | |
stopdiggin | Sep 2022 | #7 | |
VWolf | Sep 2022 | #28 | |
Lonestarblue | Sep 2022 | #32 | |
KPN | Sep 2022 | #40 | |
ripcord | Sep 2022 | #49 | |
Grolph_ | Sep 2022 | #4 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #5 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #6 | |
stopdiggin | Sep 2022 | #10 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #11 | |
KPN | Sep 2022 | #45 | |
MichMan | Sep 2022 | #13 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #14 | |
Demsrule86 | Sep 2022 | #8 | |
Bettie | Sep 2022 | #39 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2022 | #9 | |
Elessar Zappa | Sep 2022 | #23 | |
KPN | Sep 2022 | #47 | |
onenote | Sep 2022 | #12 | |
Johnny2X2X | Sep 2022 | #16 | |
underpants | Sep 2022 | #15 | |
2naSalit | Sep 2022 | #17 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #18 | |
leftstreet | Sep 2022 | #58 | |
themaguffin | Sep 2022 | #19 | |
ananda | Sep 2022 | #20 | |
Ferrets are Cool | Sep 2022 | #21 | |
PatrickforB | Sep 2022 | #22 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #26 | |
Farmer-Rick | Sep 2022 | #35 | |
Wicked Blue | Sep 2022 | #24 | |
TheRickles | Sep 2022 | #25 | |
Roisin Ni Fiachra | Sep 2022 | #27 | |
True Blue American | Sep 2022 | #37 | |
Prairie_Seagull | Sep 2022 | #29 | |
oldsoftie | Sep 2022 | #30 | |
ancianita | Sep 2022 | #31 | |
Marcuse | Sep 2022 | #33 | |
NowISeetheLight | Sep 2022 | #34 | |
True Blue American | Sep 2022 | #36 | |
GoCubsGo | Sep 2022 | #38 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #43 | |
Amishman | Sep 2022 | #41 | |
Meadowoak | Sep 2022 | #42 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #59 | |
Person of Interest | Sep 2022 | #44 | |
Mblaze | Sep 2022 | #46 | |
Emile | Sep 2022 | #54 | |
rubbersole | Sep 2022 | #48 | |
Botany | Sep 2022 | #50 | |
Mr. Ected | Sep 2022 | #51 | |
BradAllison | Sep 2022 | #52 | |
Handler | Sep 2022 | #53 | |
SouthernDem4ever | Sep 2022 | #55 | |
txwhitedove | Sep 2022 | #56 | |
Texin | Sep 2022 | #57 | |
Meowmee | Sep 2022 | #60 |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:23 AM
Chainfire (13,682 posts)
1. A case of having your cake and eating it too. Yea, it is possible.
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:23 AM
yardwork (56,727 posts)
2. Of course it is! Totally.
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:25 AM
Johnny2X2X (16,296 posts)
3. Global Inflation
Last edited Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:01 AM - Edit history (1) This is a global issue. There are still serious global supply chain issues. And a lot of what consumers globally are seeing is firms paying premiums to get the parts they need, or them buying excess stock when the parts they need finally became available. Storing inventory has costs associated with it that are being passed along. Energy prices are also a factor.
Things got all out of whack because of Covid. This has exposed some holes in Lean manufacturing/just in time delivery concepts. Is there some gouging? Yes, no doubt about it. But if it were mostly gouging, it probably wouldn't be a global issue. The US is navigating global inflation better than most industrialized developed nations. |
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:51 AM
stopdiggin (8,645 posts)
7. thanks. I think that has it pretty square.
I don't doubt that there is some price gouging in the mix - but question whether it is a driving , or chief, factor that should be demanding our attention.
Lean/just in time shows a lot of benefit - when all tracks are running and the skids are greased. But - the idea that the future is (either out of necessity, efficiencies, or benevolent wish) going to uniformly provide those conditions - is and was, always more or less a fantasy and a fairy tale. |
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:03 AM
VWolf (3,944 posts)
28. My company is (well, used to be) a JIT manufacturer
We now maintain some stock in anticipation of further supply chain disruptions. So far, however, we have not needed to increase our prices.
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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:20 AM
Lonestarblue (7,553 posts)
32. Yes, and the problem with the FED continuing to increase interest rates is that it does not
address a big part of the primary problem, which is the supply chain driving up costs. The US trend of outsourcing as much as possible and stocking no inventory has now shown itself to be a policy that drives efficiency but doesn’t work when it takes weeks or months to get products.
And it takes time to resolve those issues, time the FED isn’t waiting for as they promise several more increase in the near future. In the past, it has been the FED that sent us into recession. They’re on track to do it again. |
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:44 AM
KPN (14,897 posts)
40. It's really a matter of how you define gouging. From labor's standpoint,
gouging has been going on for decades now. But even from an economists perspective (supply, demand, price, factors of production, etc) there is certainly evidence of gouging in revenue and profit levels. Yeah, there are supply chain issues, yes they are global as is inflation, but there is plenty of gouging as well.
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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:57 AM
ripcord (3,956 posts)
49. An article in Fortune discussed this exact issue
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:25 AM
Grolph_ (49 posts)
4. Exactly what they are doing
Preventing FED actions from reigning in the economy. Only for gains on the markets.
401Ks loose while exclusive hedge funds profit. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:35 AM
Emile (13,197 posts)
5. Predatory Capitalism is alive and well.
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:46 AM
Emile (13,197 posts)
6. Gas prices are going back up just before the midterm
is not a coincidence.
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Response to Emile (Reply #6)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:53 AM
stopdiggin (8,645 posts)
10. also might have something to do with
the calendar (heading into winter) and a global tightening of supply?
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #10)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:55 AM
Emile (13,197 posts)
11. Sure, okay. . .
Response to stopdiggin (Reply #10)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:49 AM
KPN (14,897 posts)
45. Hurricanes are always a good excuse to Jack up oil and gas prices
as well. Big industry cannot give up and will not voluntarily wean itself from record profits. If refineries are going to be paused due to coming hurricanes, industry needs to raise consumer prices ahead of time to sustain those profit levels. It’s a simple concept: blind unabashed greed.
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Response to Emile (Reply #6)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:02 AM
MichMan (9,449 posts)
13. Why did they ever go down at all?
Response to MichMan (Reply #13)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:06 AM
Emile (13,197 posts)
14. Give President Biden credit!
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:52 AM
Demsrule86 (66,314 posts)
8. It is greedflation.
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:42 AM
Bettie (14,937 posts)
39. A lot of it is
because they are jacking the prices up far beyond their additional costs.
They were making profits before, they are making exponentially more now, and when the supply chain problems abate, I doubt prices will go down. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:53 AM
brooklynite (86,866 posts)
9. No.
The entire world isn't a conspiracy theory.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:51 AM
Elessar Zappa (10,857 posts)
23. It's not one big conspiracy but
don’t you agree that *some* companies may use legitimate inflationary pressure to raise prices more than they should to pad their profits? I don’t think it’s out of the question.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:51 AM
KPN (14,897 posts)
47. Correct. It's not a conspiracy, it's a characteristic of
globalized supply-side capitalism in the face of current global instabilities and increasingly daunting and disruptive hurricane/typhoon seasons.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:58 AM
onenote (40,010 posts)
12. So are they also doing this in the UK to harm the conservative government?
Response to onenote (Reply #12)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:18 AM
Johnny2X2X (16,296 posts)
16. Bingo, this is GLOBAL INFLATION
It is GLOBAL INFLATION!
Argentina has 50% inflation. UK 10% Canada 7.6% Turkey is at 80% inflation, can you imagine the crisis if that happened in the US? US dropping to about 8% seems like we're right in the middle for developed countries. And you've got legit hyper inflation in Venezuela right now. This is a global issue, the more Dems say "Global inflation", the better off we'll be. The Biden administration is doing everything possible to ease inflation, but they can't do a whole lot to ease the pressures on supply chains in China, India, and other Asian countries. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:08 AM
underpants (176,681 posts)
15. You didn't really think they were going to let YOU keep all that 2020 money
Last edited Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:54 AM - Edit history (1) of THEIRS in your pocket now did you?
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:39 AM
themaguffin (3,538 posts)
19. It's just greed. Pure greed.
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:40 AM
ananda (27,760 posts)
20. More than possible. Very likely!
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:46 AM
Ferrets are Cool (19,681 posts)
21. IMO, it's just price gouging for the sake of more profits, ie...
our corporate overlords can buy more yachts.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:51 AM
PatrickforB (14,002 posts)
22. That is exactly what it is.
Consider gas. The price per barrel of oil has gone down to around $70. But we had a spike in prices at the pump.
Two reasons: increasing profits for shareholders, and trying to make Biden look bad the month before the election. But no: The current inflation is all about corporate price gouging. I mean, think about health care - in August, the CPI numbers showed that the cost of healthcare services had risen 5.6% from the prior year, but the cost of health INSURANCE was up over 24%. Think about that for a minute. SOMEBODY is getting gouged here and it is us. Ironic, isn't it, how the Fed is talking about wage inflation - anytime wages start to go up, the Wall Street profit gods panic. Anything good for workers and their families is automatically bad, painted with the brush of socialism. Anyway, wages have moved up right along with inflation, but they aren't CAUSING inflation. Corporate price gouging to recapture profits they lost during the pandemic. It is all about the REAL God worshipped here in 'Murika. Money. |
Response to PatrickforB (Reply #22)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:26 AM
Farmer-Rick (8,769 posts)
35. Exactly
Well put.
I was wondering why lettuce in east TN went up last spring and summer when everyone I know was growing lettuce in their back yards. And tomatoes going up in the summer??? And why did beef go up when now is the time most people here slaughter a steer and split the costs? Why do prices go up in the middle of abundance? Whatever happened to supply and demand? |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:53 AM
Wicked Blue (5,320 posts)
24. Absolutely. They do it every time.
It happens like clockwork.
Republicans run up the national debt by giving away huge tax breaks to the rich and big corporations. Democrats inherit this mess, and do what they can to balance the budget. In the next election cycle, Republicans raise prices and scream "Inflation!" |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:55 AM
TheRickles (1,497 posts)
25. Yep. Virtual cartels control so many key industries now that they can manipulate prices.
And if the war in Ukraine is the justification (ie, esp. with oil), then it becomes war profiteering. During WWII, that was considered nearly treasonous, and limits were finally placed on the practice by Sen. Truman and FDR. We need an excess profits tax now, to break the cycle.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:59 AM
Roisin Ni Fiachra (2,556 posts)
27. I know it is. Of course it is. All other so called explanations are mega woo BS
corporate 'splainin.
Those responsible for the gouging need to go to prison for a long, long time. |
Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #27)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:39 AM
True Blue American (17,024 posts)
37. Agree!
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:08 AM
Prairie_Seagull (2,253 posts)
29. So, clearly
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:13 AM
oldsoftie (10,953 posts)
30. Some but not most. This was going to happen no matter WHO won the presidency.
There was simply too much money pumped into the system and top it off with Putin shitting on the world. The US wasnt the only country that pumped cash into their system either. Others did the same & see similar results.
If UKR hadn't been invaded gas would be about where it was in 2019 I'm fairly sure. Maybe 10-15% higher due, again, to Putins bullshit. But when I hear "supply chain issues" as the excuse for a price increase & its a company that just provides LABOR then yeah I think they're taking advantage of the situation. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:17 AM
ancianita (31,924 posts)
31. That's EXACTLY what it is. You nailed it.
They've got their audience of dupes who they've gouged, and hope it shows up in Republican voter turnout. It's all bullshit, and I hope Biden gives a televised speech on that.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:21 AM
Marcuse (6,810 posts)
33. Profit taking.
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:23 AM
NowISeetheLight (1,136 posts)
34. Totally Possible
Look at the record profits for the big oil companies. I suspect you’ll see a big drop in gas prices post-election. They want the Republicans back so they can have more tax cuts and less environmental regulation.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:37 AM
True Blue American (17,024 posts)
36. Yes it is!
Plain old gouging!
I bought soft drinks,4 for $12 last week. When I looked at my bill it was $2.50 apiece… This week their sale sign said 3 for $14.00! Before I thought I said, “ Oh, Lord, I bought them for,etc.” another woman said,” That is what I was thinking!” The big box store is 50 cents to $1.00 cheaper on everything. So is ALDIS An their Birman products are more than a match for Name Brand. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:41 AM
GoCubsGo (31,408 posts)
38. Yes, they're also getting corporate media to talk down the economy.
Something they like to accuse Democrats of doing.
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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #38)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:47 AM
Emile (13,197 posts)
43. Yes, the so called economic experts blowing smoke out their asses
pointing their fingers at Democratic politicians to cover up what is really going on. They did the same damn thing to Jimmy Carter.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:45 AM
Amishman (5,374 posts)
41. that's a significant factor, but most of it is driven by monetary policy
reposting, because this is a big deal and I don't see many people talking about this. It is easy to blame corporate greed - especially when it is real and a significant factor - but we need to understand the whole picture.
The increase in the amount of money in circulation is a major driver of inflation, and the Federal reserve is responsible for an absurd amount of back-door money printing with their asset purchase program. The Fed's balance sheet peaked at 8.962 trillion. Feb 2020 it was 4.166 trillion. They have started unloading their mountain of securities, but the balance is still 8.822 trillion. You can't grow the money supply that rapidly without steady inflation. M2 money supply was 15.458 trillion in Feb 2020. It is now 21.709 trillion. We increased our money supply by a third without growing our actual GDP by anything like that much. Prices will continue to rise to rebalance vs the money supply. Worse, inflation changes spending habits (increasing the velocity of money), acting as a multiplier for that money supply growth. We're actually fortunate that prices are somewhat sticky, meaning the glut of capital pumped into the economy is very delayed in its impact. There is still time to get the Fed to accelerate their mountain of securities and pull back in the excess liquidity before prices align with the overall money supply. Until the money supply is reduced by unwinding that excess liquidity, inflation will keep erasing Americans finances. Simply too much money in circulation. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:45 AM
Meadowoak (4,915 posts)
42. Imagine if the repubes take the house. And they put social
Security and medicare on the chopping block, they will try to hold it hostage, just like the budget. What will we have to give up every year just to keep them from gutting SS and medicare. The will use that like no bargaining chip they've ever had before.
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Response to Meadowoak (Reply #42)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 12:55 PM
Emile (13,197 posts)
59. They'll probably raise the Social Security retirement age again.
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:48 AM
Person of Interest (362 posts)
44. mega-corporations spiking their prices in an effort to defeat more Democrats?
No, current inflation is the result of mega-corporations maximizing profits in the interest of shareholder value.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:50 AM
Mblaze (103 posts)
46. Tiffany Smiley is running against Patty Murray.
She is running an ad that claims that Biden and Murray are “working overtime” to raise prices on Americans. She complains about the higher prices for eggs without mentioning that 36 million chickens were killed last year due to bird flu. Why would we vote for someone who doesn’t make that real connection for egg prices but instead, uses it to make cheap political points?
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Response to Mblaze (Reply #46)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:12 AM
Emile (13,197 posts)
54. One minute Joe is a big spending Socialist, next minute he's a Predatory Capitalist raising prices.
Republican voters are not smart enough to see through their politicians bullshit!
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:55 AM
rubbersole (4,133 posts)
48. Tried and true unfettered capitalism. 'Murican dream, baby!
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:05 AM
Botany (68,091 posts)
50. REMINDER: Every Single House Republican Voted Against Efforts to Lower Gas Prices
As Big Oil rakes in record profits on the backs of struggling Americans, let’s not forget that every single House Republican voted against legislation to crack down on gas price gouging. While Democrats remain laser-focused on bringing down costs for families, Republicans in Congress have repeatedly failed to deliver for the American people.
CBS News: “The House of Representatives passed a bill along party lines that seeks to lower gas prices by cracking down on alleged price gouging by energy companies. The House vote was 217-207: no Republican supported the bill.” https://democrats.org/news/reminder-every-single-house-republican-voted-against-efforts-to-lower-gas-prices/ ****** "They" want inflation in order to hurt the American people so they will blame and vote against the democrats. You can see it on the TV machine when the anchors are almost giddy reporting about high gas prices, inflation, and just when will that recession take hold? |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:05 AM
Mr. Ected (9,342 posts)
51. If we're not just running against Republicans, but also against mega-corporations and the media
I'd say we better not take our voting rights lightly. It's us against them, and THEM is a lot more formidable than the hapless goons Lindsey Graham, MTG, Donald Trump, et al.
THEM don't subscribe to the Constitution. Their bible is capitalism and the almighty dollar. We the people are their means to their ends. |
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:06 AM
BradAllison (1,879 posts)
52. It absolutely is.
It's full of shit caterwalling from finance guys who don't actually know anything about finance at all.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:09 AM
Handler (314 posts)
53. More than possible, I think it's a sure thing
Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:13 AM
SouthernDem4ever (3,157 posts)
55. Past time for a windfall profits tax
that's the only way to counter total greed in this country.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:16 AM
txwhitedove (3,763 posts)
56. I see it more like trying to recoup what business lost during pandemic. The biggest
hit so far has been $120 month increase in auto and home insurance, after making agent renegotiate. Why? No accidents or tickets, same excellent credit, home improvents, no real reason.
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Response to Atticus (Original post)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:23 AM
Texin (2,505 posts)
57. That's been my thinking since the supply chain woes seem to have eased.
These corporations are the rethugs' donor class and, based on the leaked rethug proposals to obliterate Social Security/Medicare and the ACA, they are pandering to those corporations and the .01% of the population. They've been hoping for the chance to do that since the New Deal was enacted. How in the hell there are people who consistently vote rethug who also happen to be receiving SSI/Medicare benefits on a monthly basis are blithely unaware that the monthly benefits they've been relying on to live, house themselves and feed themselves is absolutely being promised to be gutted by the politicians they plan to vote for in November, I'll never understand. I guess it's simply a factor of not realizing that they'll regret their vote when their benefits are gutted and they have try to get low wage part-time gig or go live under a bridge somewhere.
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