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In It to Win It

(8,225 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:20 PM Sep 2022

An off-duty Massachusetts National Guard member aggressively confronted a tour bus full of senior ci

An off-duty Massachusetts National Guard member aggressively confronted a tour bus full of senior citizens thinking they were migrants

An off-duty Massachusetts Army National Guard member tailed a Florida tour bus and confronted its senior citizen passengers, mistaking them for more migrants being sent to the state from Florida, the Cape Cod Times reported Tuesday.

The incident comes on the heels of a political stunt by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis chartering two planes to send 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. The state's governor Charlie Baker said the migrants have since been moved to a military base shelter in Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

The off-duty service member pursued the tour bus for at least 10 miles to their hotel in East Falmouth, later confronting the bus driver, Michael Vaughn, and 37 senior citizens aboard.

"He thought there were immigrants on the bus," Vaughn, the owner of Tallahassee-based transportation company Mikes Limousine, told the Cape Cod Times. "He was totally wrong."

Vaughn told the local news outlet that the service member "was literally five feet off my bumper" as he tailed the vehicle, even when he tried slowing down and changing lanes.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/off-duty-massachusetts-national-guard-002815601.html
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An off-duty Massachusetts National Guard member aggressively confronted a tour bus full of senior ci (Original Post) In It to Win It Sep 2022 OP
WTF ColinC Sep 2022 #1
I hope the seniors set him straight. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2022 #2
I know what you mean. I'm 73. I don't take shit from anybody Walleye Sep 2022 #5
Gotcha! PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2022 #21
I am female as well, very white. I have a very dear friend who lives in New Mexico, she's almost 80 Walleye Sep 2022 #25
Oh, yes. You need to come out here again, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2022 #30
It would be great to meet up with you someday. I have no current plansShe's always asking me to come Walleye Sep 2022 #31
"These older Black women were on his ass" dalton99a Sep 2022 #8
Hoffman Fucked UP like DeSadist.. Cha Sep 2022 #15
Red Neck Vigilante sheshe2 Sep 2022 #18
Exactly, she.. like someone said Cha Sep 2022 #22
The picture of him speaks volumes. sheshe2 Sep 2022 #24
They should've grabbed him by the ear and dragged him off of there Walleye Sep 2022 #32
*headdesk* sakabatou Sep 2022 #3
Corporal Fuckup What did he plan to do, shoot them? Walleye Sep 2022 #4
Christopher Hoffman: dalton99a Sep 2022 #6
Looks like I'd expect. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #11
Please tell the things you expected !! USALiberal Sep 2022 #45
Looks like he's in charge of stupid shit. Kid Berwyn Sep 2022 #49
Looks like it is being investigated by Officials iN the Nat Gurard but I think the law riversedge Sep 2022 #7
he better lose that job. ZonkerHarris Sep 2022 #27
This is spontaneous fascism. That clown needs to be worked publically The_Casual_Observer Sep 2022 #9
Masshole. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2022 #10
He was named in the article. sheshe2 Sep 2022 #13
"Lt Col Christopher Hoffman and he was taken away in an ambulance and his vehicle towed." yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2022 #14
He suffers from a malignant case of self-importance. rubbersole Sep 2022 #36
Bwahahaha sheshe2 Sep 2022 #37
Maybe I'm missing something here. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2022 #12
"Is there a chance this is a good guy?" yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2022 #16
+1 sheshe2 Sep 2022 #19
Maybe I should have said "attempted good guy going overboard" thinking he witnessed ... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2022 #20
Not in his backyard. N/t intheflow Sep 2022 #46
Don't think so.. dalton has a link Cha Sep 2022 #17
and took it upon himself to do stopdiggin Sep 2022 #23
He's a Lt. Colonel at the base taking care of the previous group. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2022 #26
he's perfectly free to REPORT his suspicions stopdiggin Sep 2022 #28
That's why he is in trouble. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2022 #34
+++++++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Sep 2022 #38
He probably hates migrants and doesn't intheflow Sep 2022 #47
No. He was upset that he couldn't get someone stuck in Afghanistan here but those brown people!!!! tenderfoot Sep 2022 #40
My only question to this wacko: What were you going to do if it was a bus full of Latinos? ZonkerHarris Sep 2022 #29
What a racist prick. ismnotwasm Sep 2022 #33
He obviously gets his information from right wing media tenderfoot Sep 2022 #35
Why did I know they were black before reading this? live love laugh Sep 2022 #39
Not So Fast DET Sep 2022 #43
Likewise not so fast to absolve a racist's actions. live love laugh Sep 2022 #44
I hope the folks on that bus file a complaint with law enforcement. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2022 #41
The Duuuhh is strong with this one jackcrow2001 Sep 2022 #42
Pretty sure that's a civil rights violation AntivaxHunters Sep 2022 #48
guess the folks on the bus will have a lasting memory of the trip when they get home dembotoz Sep 2022 #50

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
2. I hope the seniors set him straight.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:24 PM
Sep 2022

What's nice about being old (I'm 74) is that there are a lot of things I am fearless about.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
21. Gotcha!
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:18 PM
Sep 2022

Despite my screen name, I'm female. I live in New Mexico, and among the many things I love about living here is the respect given to older women. Even though I'm obviously Anglo (honestly, I could have an A tattooed on my forehead) I get all the respect given to moms and grandmothers here. I long ago learned to be cautious about chatting with people ahead of me in line at the grocery store (I'm a natural chat person) because almost invariably they will insist I go ahead of them. How kind, but unnecessary.

Here's another advantage to looking like mom or grandma here. I never get a ticket when driving. Well, okay, I do try to drive right and obey the laws as I'm sure you all do. But like anyone, I occasionally get stopped for a minor infraction. There have been times when I honestly deserved a ticket (and I told my sons, when they were first driving, that because they were young and male they would get tickets when I wouldn't, which was absolutely accurate) but did not get one.

Here's my favorite such story: I was returning home to Santa Fe from Tucson, just after Thanksgiving. A bit outside of Deming, NM, I speeded up because I knew the speed limit increased a lot about a half mile further on. Big mistake. I looked in my rearview mirror, saw the flashing lights, and of course pulled over. Worse yet, when the cop got out of his car, he wasn't much younger than me. Damn. I knew I wouldn't look like grandma, or even mom to him. I was, of course, as polite as was appropriate, gave him my license, and he noted my home address. "You're going back to Santa Fe?" he asked? "Yes, sir. I spent Thanksgiving in Tucson with family." He returned my license, cautioned me about the speed limit, and sent me on my way.

Again, I am not remotely Hispanic, and I'm constantly in awe of how local Hispanics treat people like me. I am an interloper. I know that. I love living here. I'm happy to be here. I love living where I hear Spanish spoken every day. I love it that those who speak Spanish can take one look at me and switch immediately to English. I wish my Spanish were better, but alas, it is not. But I am fortunate and happy to live here.

Walleye

(30,978 posts)
25. I am female as well, very white. I have a very dear friend who lives in New Mexico, she's almost 80
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:31 PM
Sep 2022

She and her husband live in the middle of a big ranch near Truth or Consequences. She loves it there. She’s from Delaware, which is where I live now. I have said that Delawareans are like salmon, we go out to sea for a while then come back to the stream we were spawned in. She stayed in New Mexico though. High desert. Roadrunners, hummingbirds. We text just about every day. I went to visit her once and rented a car in Denver and drove down I 25. What a great ride I saw a large herd of antelope. My Spanish isn’t all that good either but I do love to hear people speak it.That’s a cool story about not getting that ticket.It’s great when a policeman turns out to be a human being

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
30. Oh, yes. You need to come out here again,
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:55 PM
Sep 2022

and more often. Fortunately, Spanish is not required, even if it can be useful.

I am constantly amazed that when I'm standing in line somewhere, the clerk will immediately switch languages as needed.

When I was first here I worked at the local hospital, doing outpatient registration, meaning, if you needed to come here for an MRI or blood work or something like that, you'd see me or one of my co-workers, we'd fill out the appropriate paperwork and you'd be on your way. Of course, a lot, probably a third, of the outpatients spoke little or no English, and fortunately several of my co-workers were fully bi-lingual. My passive Spanish improved enormously. Of course, much of what was being said back and forth was such that I could tell what was being spoken: filling out the forms, the explanation of what would happen. I knew those things in English, so I could then understand the Spanish.

I have never been to Truth or Consequences. There is far too much of this state that I have not explored. Every state in our wonderful country is worth exploring. Some simply have more to explore than others. Anyway, if you decide to come out here again (and I'd suggest flying in to Albuquerque) you could contact me and we might perhaps meet up. But absolutely have a wonderful time with your friend.

dalton99a

(81,392 posts)
8. "These older Black women were on his ass"
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:35 PM
Sep 2022
Vaughn said the truck had its high beams on during the pursuit. "He was literally five feet off my bumper," said Vaughn, "He wouldn't leave me."

Vaughn tried slowing down and changing lanes on Route 28 to let the pickup truck pass to no avail.

"He harassed us to death," said Vaughn. "Everybody was scared to death."

At one point, Hoffman boarded the tour bus. "He was walking right up on the bus uninvited," said Vaughn. At that point, the passengers began yelling at Hoffman.

"These older Black women were on his a--," Vaughn said.

https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/local/2022/09/27/joint-base-cape-cod-officer-pursued-bus-he-thought-was-carrying-migrants/8123778001/

Cha

(296,848 posts)
15. Hoffman Fucked UP like DeSadist..
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:06 PM
Sep 2022
The off-duty officer, Lt. Col. Christopher Hoffman, 51, of the Massachusetts Army National Guard, who recorded his pursuit of the bus on Facebook Live, thought the bus was part of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' effort to bring migrants who crossed the southern U.S. border to Cape Cod. He can be heard praising DeSantis on the live stream video.

TY for the link, dalton

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
18. Red Neck Vigilante
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:14 PM
Sep 2022

Harassing elderly black women.

If he thought they were migrants, he could have tailed the bus to its destination without riding their bumper with his high beams on. Once there he should have just called the police. He did not.

Gah!

Cha

(296,848 posts)
22. Exactly, she.. like someone said
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:21 PM
Sep 2022

on this thread.. he was "Dishonoring the US Military".

What else would we expect from anyone who "praised DeSantis"?

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
24. The picture of him speaks volumes.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:30 PM
Sep 2022

I feel so bad for the women. This was their vacation. I know Cape Cod well and we are very diverse. Sure, we have a few rotten eggs, however he is not the majority.

dalton99a

(81,392 posts)
6. Christopher Hoffman:
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:31 PM
Sep 2022

Lt. Col. Christopher Hoffman, 51, administrative officer, Massachusetts Army National Guard, Joint Base Cape Cod

riversedge

(70,084 posts)
7. Looks like it is being investigated by Officials iN the Nat Gurard but I think the law
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:35 PM
Sep 2022

should look into this. It is outrageous.

.............In a statement to Insider, Col. Mark Kalin, a director at the Massachusetts Army National Guard, said the National Guard "considers the conduct of this soldier to be inappropriate and inconsistent with our military values."

"We are currently working to ensure our service member is evaluated and receives any services he may need, while also reviewing appropriate disciplinary actions," Kalin said. "The incident is currently under investigation and no further information is available at this time."

Video viewed by the Cape Cod Times showed Hoffman attempting to board the bus to see the passengers on board.

"I have every right as a U.S citizen to see what's going on," the service member is heard saying. "You know what I'm talking about."......................

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
9. This is spontaneous fascism. That clown needs to be worked publically
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:36 PM
Sep 2022

So that the others think twice before doing that crazy shit.

This shit is going to get out of hand otherwise.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
13. He was named in the article.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:59 PM
Sep 2022

Lt Col Christopher Hoffman and he was taken away in an ambulance and his vehicle towed.

rubbersole

(6,660 posts)
36. He suffers from a malignant case of self-importance.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:36 AM
Sep 2022

Mixed with ignorance and racism...Shazam! A republican candidate for any office!

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
12. Maybe I'm missing something here.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:52 PM
Sep 2022

Is there a chance this is a good guy?

Is there a chance he thought he caught Desantis dumping more immigrants?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
20. Maybe I should have said "attempted good guy going overboard" thinking he witnessed ...
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:17 PM
Sep 2022

… a dumping in progress.

Or maybe he’s a xenophobe who thought he saw one of Desantis’s busses and… agreed with it?… or what?

I mean if he is a xenophobic asshole doesn’t he enjoy these dump jobs?

stopdiggin

(11,242 posts)
23. and took it upon himself to do
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:30 PM
Sep 2022

exactly what?

under what authority? what law?


(appreciate someone trying to keep an open mind ... but I'm having a real hard time wrapping my head around a plausible explanation.)

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
26. He's a Lt. Colonel at the base taking care of the previous group.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:40 PM
Sep 2022

That’s fairly high on the rank end. A guy like that might feel like he has some juice on the street. Maybe he was going to report the driver.

Like I said, I could be totally off base. But if he agrees with Desantis why is he chasing the bus down?

The statement about trying to get some good guys admitted from Afghanistan is kind of right-wingy. Maybe he has a case of raw ass over that. Maybe he feels out out by having to host these people on his base.

I’m not invested either way. It just seemed odd.

Either way, he fucked up.

stopdiggin

(11,242 posts)
28. he's perfectly free to REPORT his suspicions
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:51 PM
Sep 2022

to any agency that he cares to (including his own). Just as you an I would be. His legal authority, off duty, off base - involving persons in private transportation on a public thoroughfare - amounts to exactly zippo.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
47. He probably hates migrants and doesn't
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:32 AM
Sep 2022

want them in Massachusetts. A MAGA tool drooling at the chance to harass and intimidate anyone he thinks doesn’t belong in his backyard.

tenderfoot

(8,425 posts)
40. No. He was upset that he couldn't get someone stuck in Afghanistan here but those brown people!!!!
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:47 AM
Sep 2022

No. He's not a good guy.

live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
39. Why did I know they were black before reading this?
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:44 AM
Sep 2022

It’s a “Karen” incident.

This is racially motivated and shouldn’t be lawful.

Who the fuck gave him the authority to pursue any fucking body?

Piece of shit.

DET

(1,299 posts)
43. Not So Fast
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:14 AM
Sep 2022

I could be totally wrong, but this doesn’t sound like a guy motivated by racial animosity. There is no indication that he saw the people on the bus before he boarded it. This sounds like a mentally ill man (PTSD from the war?) with entitlement issues. He needs to be evaluated and charged with something - I don’t know what exactly - and relieved of whatever duties he has. Personally, I mostly blame DeSantis and Abbott for purposefully creating an environment in which incidents like this can happen. In any case, that must have been one harrowing ride for the bus driver and passengers.

live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
44. Likewise not so fast to absolve a racist's actions.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 02:39 AM
Sep 2022

“Karen” syndrome springs from mental illness from what I’ve seen. You don’t call the police on a bird watcher or approach delivery people or work crews obviously doing their jobs — all of whom are black — unless you are crazy AND racist.

This guy is no exception.

You don’t harass people for miles and then expect no consequence because you basically say “oops my bad”.

Also: turn the tables.

What do you think would have happened if any person of color did this shit?

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
41. I hope the folks on that bus file a complaint with law enforcement.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:50 AM
Sep 2022

Reckless endangerment and trespassing at a minimum.


KY.......

jackcrow2001

(16 posts)
42. The Duuuhh is strong with this one
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 01:00 AM
Sep 2022

I've re-read this a couple times trying to figure this whack job out.....ummm I give up

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
48. Pretty sure that's a civil rights violation
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:03 AM
Sep 2022

and this dude needs to be dishonorably discharged and arrested by the feds for violating the civil rights of people

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
50. guess the folks on the bus will have a lasting memory of the trip when they get home
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:13 AM
Sep 2022

he better not have made them late for their lunch stop.

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