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TexasTowelie

(111,972 posts)
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 04:51 AM Sep 2022

Progressive Democrats frustrated with 2022 primary losses

NEW YORK (AP) — With less than two months until the midterm elections, progressive Democrats are facing a test of their power.

Their party is heading into the final stretch of the campaign with a robust set of legislative accomplishments that include long-term progressive priorities on issues ranging from prescription drug prices to climate change. But the left has also faced a series of disappointments as Democratic voters from Ohio to Illinois to Texas rejected high-profile progressive challengers to moderates or incumbent members of Congress during the primary season.

The frustration is particularly acute in New York, where Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated one of the highest-ranking congressional Democrats four years ago, injecting fresh energy among the party’s most liberal voters. This year, however, New York City Democrats chose Dan Goldman, a former federal prosecutor who is more of a centrist, over several progressive rivals, including freshman Rep. Mondaire Jones. About 30 miles north in the Hudson River Valley, a powerful establishment candidate, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, defeated a state lawmaker running to his left and backed by Ocasio-Cortez.

Those setbacks have raised fresh questions about the progressive movement’s standing among Democrats. Progressive leaders urge against reading too much into those losses, particularly in New York, where repeated elections this summer after a redistricting battle left some voters disoriented or disengaged.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-health-texas-presidential-new-york-c00a836357679528b21cc6927deb80e9

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Progressive Democrats frustrated with 2022 primary losses (Original Post) TexasTowelie Sep 2022 OP
How are they more " progressive" ? JI7 Sep 2022 #1
Rule: Saying something makes it true! betsuni Sep 2022 #2
Exactly. We all know what that means in this context anyway. Nixie Sep 2022 #4
:) They have Bernie and other progressive orators to say so. Hortensis Sep 2022 #8
From the article: MrsCoffee Sep 2022 #10
K&R betsuni Sep 2022 #3
Nothing like focusing on stopping a giant existential threat to progressive government. Hortensis Sep 2022 #5
I voted for Goldman Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #6
Most people I know (Brooklyn side of the district) voted for Carlina Rivera brooklynite Sep 2022 #9
Really? Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #13
I consider most elected Democrats "progressive". Elessar Zappa Sep 2022 #7
Me too, but I'd say almost all who run as Democrats believe in Hortensis Sep 2022 #12
I am on the Justice Democrats email feed LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #11

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
2. Rule: Saying something makes it true!
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 05:31 AM
Sep 2022

Jeffries: "There are some forces on the left that want to define 'progressive' as 'You bend the knee and we tell you what to do, and if you fail to fall in line, you're a machine Democrat or a corporate sell out.' That's a joke."

The Progressive Establishment can be pretty cranky sometimes.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. :) They have Bernie and other progressive orators to say so.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:25 AM
Sep 2022

That should be 'nuf said.

If Democrats would only listen. Since we don't don't learn from their orations and adorations, we keep mucking up their more-progressive ideals with what we foolishly imagine to be real-world progress. Remembering that what the more- (only real) progressives can't block they'll have to undo/redo someday, so that the more the vast Democratic mainstream achieves the more regressive we and our achievements are.

At least I think that's it. It does seem to cover why some actually prefer it if anti-progressive Republicans are elected and others don't worry about it. At least there's less to have to undo when they are, and maybe even "more" of a blank slate someday.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
10. From the article:
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:52 AM
Sep 2022

Jeffries, speaking to reporters in a roundtable interview a few days before New York’s August primaries, said Democrats whose legislative records are “deeply progressive” still face criticism from “online virtue signalers” because they are not further left.

“There are some forces on the left that want to define ‘progressive’ as ‘You bend the knee and we tell you what to do, and if you fail to fall in line, you’re a machine Democrat or a corporate sellout.’ That’s a joke,” he said.

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Also, loved this quote:

Some candidates championed by progressives have grappled with the label this year.

“No, I’m just a Democrat,” left-leaning Pennsylvania Senate candidate John Fetterman said in a May interview with NBC when he was asked if he is a progressive. He said his positions were considered progressive six years ago but “now there isn’t a single Democrat in this race or any race that I’m aware of that’s running on anything different. So that’s not really progressive. That’s just where the party is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Nothing like focusing on stopping a giant existential threat to progressive government.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:38 AM
Sep 2022


Presumably mainstream Democratic voters have the "advantage" of knowing it's not them! This article is encouraging for cohesion against the Republicans in 6 weeks.


Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
6. I voted for Goldman
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:42 AM
Sep 2022

I really struggled bc I like Mondaire Jones a lot. But ultimately, I chose to go with a more moderate bc I feel like as both sides become more polarized, people of conscience are unable to work together to benefit our home districts.

It may have been a mistake. I don't know. But I really struggled with the choice.

There were other candidates who I thought were more polarizing on the ticket (Bill de Blasio dropped out but he was still on the ballot).

I want people of conscience in the House to be able to work with other people of conscience to battle the insane voices on the fringes. (I'm talking about you Marjorie Taylor Greene.) Some of the DSA dems feed off the energy of the MAGA weirdos.... and I want to suffocate that for good.

My reasoning may be faulty. We will see.

brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
9. Most people I know (Brooklyn side of the district) voted for Carlina Rivera
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:29 AM
Sep 2022

I didn't look at it as progressive vs mainstream; I looked at is as a district-vs national-focus.

Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
13. Really?
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 11:05 AM
Sep 2022

I feel like Park Slope went heavy for Yuh Lin Niou. But there were a lot of candidates in there, and many neighborhoods with different needs.

District v. National focus was important, but our district is new and so many different needs among the different neighborhoods. (Though I'm grateful that the original redistricting that would put me in Nicole Maliotakis' district was re-done.)

Elessar Zappa

(13,912 posts)
7. I consider most elected Democrats "progressive".
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:52 AM
Sep 2022

Truly, this party has moved to the left in the last five years and I’m happy about it. While I don’t dislike centrists, they are becoming a rare breed in this party.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Me too, but I'd say almost all who run as Democrats believe in
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:45 AM
Sep 2022

progressive government -- that is, it's a giant asset that's supposed to be used by the people to serve their needs as they decide. Certainly our large liberal majority do. But also our conservative Democrats, most of whom are moderate progressive conservatives, if to lesser degree.

Fwiw, analysts say we've moved to doing "our own" thing" more in this era -- when negotiating agreements with Repubs whose priority is destroying us is largely no longer possible. I think that's what happened to the seeming "centrists." No middle ground for them to welcome party reps to. But not because we moved farther left, because we're not meeting Republicans on common ground. It's showing who we are.

But -- sorry, running on and speaking to Progressives here on this thread about Progressives (not progressives): Our belief hasn't changed at all that democratic government should (must!) adequately represent the choices of national majorities, not just our party's majority, while protecting all from both the tyranny of the majority and machinations of minorities. It's a core principle because it HAS to be.

Adhering to our sacred-level duty to protect the principles and practices of democracy, pluralism, and representation misleads some into believing our party's very stable liberal and progressive ideals are less "left" than they are. And allows unprincipled manipulators to misrepresent us as far less than we are.

That's because making it all work usually, achieving progress, even in the best of times requires us to make accommodations to Republicans, and others, on issues we do care about deeply. But...that's democracy in action. Liberal Democrats believe in finding common ground in order to advance our goals.

"Progressives" characteristically prioritize their own strong, and often admirable beliefs and tend to see settling for less as wrong, the more they have to concede the bigger the failure of principle. Even winning most of what they want may be intolerable, refusing and sacrificing all often becomes the preferred and principled course. (Similar to the Freedom Caucus.)

Maybe if Progressives did somehow manage to take over the Democratic Party (not possible, liberals outnumber this actual type many times over), they'd be forced to protect the democratic process and pluralism in our place. But, frankly, I don't think they're suited to that. Psychologists are studying and finding basic mental differences between Progs and Libs. And protecting our democratic institutions, both for and from those whose passionate commitments are to their issues, their ideals, their leaders, their faction, their tribe, is the liberal Democrats' thing because we are suited to it.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,945 posts)
11. I am on the Justice Democrats email feed
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:44 AM
Sep 2022

I have been enjoying the complaints by the Justice Democrats about people not wanting to vote for candidates who want to destroy the Democratic Party. The despair and whining in the Justice Democrats emails make me happy

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