61 % of the GOP believe

[samplegirl]

that Joseph Biden stole the election.
I can never wrap my head around this when they say it!
Intelligence in the U.S. is as low as it gets.

[Walleye]

1. It is some kind of collective insanity I can't understand

[Ray Bruns]

15. It's easy. Trump lost therefore Joe Biden stole the election.

See how that works.

[Walleye]

16. Oh. Now I see, how could I be so dense

[Justice matters.]

67. Groomed by FOX NEWS (entertainment-not-news) every weeknight since the 90s.

A very lucrative "business" from Australian foreigners who smelled the coffee and exploited the Constitution to spread Fascist lies and cultivate violence as a solution.

Money. Money. Money. Just more and more and more money, decency be damned.

[SalamanderSleeps]

78. Let's not forget Tony Blair is Godfather to one of Rupert's kids.

[olegramps]

73. We have always had at least a 15% to 20% of citizens who are minimally educated.

These people who make up a large portion of the most hateful have not had a voice until recently. Trump provided them with justification for their ignorance and prejudices. That is the most important factor in the recent problem facing the nation. They are no longer shunned into silence, but now have one of the most influential supports for their extremism even to the point of violence which Thump has not only condoned but encouraged. Another aspect is the false equivalence of the political factions by the media that carefully attempts not to alienate a substantial portion of their audience and advertisers that has the effect of mitigating the general condemnation of even the most outrageous claims by propogandists. This is driven by the Hate Radio and FOX that is dominated by extreme the right wing that has become increasingly more fascist. The threat is real, and we have been slow in our denunciation of concepts that will destroy our democratic Republic.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

2. 2 beers shy of a 6 pack....

This is what happens when states cut taxes so low, they forget to fund education.

[niyad]

27. They do not "forget". It is intentional and deliberate.

[SheltieLover]

43. +1,000!

[Johnny2X2X]

3. These 61% are lost

They are lost as Americans in every way, they no longer believe in our country. Ignore them, and focus on the other 39%, make them understand how the 61% are trying to bring our democracy down and how it's totally unacceptable to support their candidates.

[deRien]

57. I think it's only about

30% or less that register as Rs so it's 61% of the 30% that believe this... it's the republican leaning independents that we need to focus on...

[Alexander Of Assyria]

60. Yet a recent poll says less than half now want MAGA to run again. So a conflict there.

[Moostache]

68. The math makes it clear just how much of a minority that actually is...

Assume a split of 40-40-20 (R-D-I).
61% of 40% is 24.4% of the DECLARED voters.

Reality is probably closer to a 30-30-40 split of the total eligible electorate (R-D-I)

In THAT case, the 61% is actually 18.3% of the total.
Less than 1 in 5.

I believe that number.
About 1 in 5 people I meet are completely nuts, so the Venn diagram of them and the GOP hate mongering fools being a circle makes sense to me...

[wnylib]

75. +1000

When their leaders lose elections and we are a more fully functioning democracy again, that 61% will diminish in numbers. Some will cling to the insane fascist dogma, but others will have an altered perspective when they are surrounded everywhere by a more normal social framework. There won't be a sudden "aha" moment for them, or a time when they see how depraved their current views are. They simply won't have crazy politicians continually feeding insanity to them any more.

[Johnny2X2X]

76. I think they'll go back to not caring about politics anymore

These nuts are the conspiracy theorists that Trump brought with him. Previously most of them didn't even vote or care to follow politics. The country will be better off if they just go back to not caring.

[wnylib]

77. Yup. Back to not caring enough to vote or

to be politically active. They will sit in bars and each others' homes drinking beer and talking idiotic nonsense among themselves, but will be too fringe for anyone else to listen to them.

[Lovie777]

4. It's propaganda working since in most part many Republicans .....

listen to and watch fake news and the constant bullshit from GQP politicians.

[live love laugh]

41. ✔️

[doc03]

5. 6I still believe the 2000 election was stolen by GWB and 2016 was stolen by TFG.

The only presidential election the Republicans legitimately won in the last 30 years was GWB in 2004 and
if he didn't steal the election in 2000 that may not have happened either.

[Freddie]

8. Agree

But if we even suggest that TFG stole 2016 they flip out and defend the indefensible EC.

[exboyfil]

9. Are you sure about Ohio in 2004?

[doc03]

11. No? The Republicans have only won the popular vote once in 30 years and even that

is questionable. So they would consider me nuts too.

[SalamanderSleeps]

18. Lies are the currency of the realm for Republicans.

"Jesus hates f*gs."

"The rich are the the job creators."

"That "****" is going to steal your job and rape your ".....".

Why don't we just call them what they are?

Liars, cheats, and sociopaths.

Just because they have a club does not mean we should treat them as a valid feature of society.


Matt Schlapp pounded on the glass to stop the vote.

Why are we surprised that 1/6 happened?

They are assholes that do what assholes do.

[hibbing]

35. This this this

Can you imagine if the circumstances were switched? That is all we would hear about and the electoral college would probably have been eliminated.

Peace

[Captain Stern]

46. I think you meant 2016....not 2012. n/t At least I hope that's what you meant.

[doc03]

63. I fixed, thanks. nt

[IbogaProject]

55. Actually 2004 had GOP malfeasance w Ohio count

I recall questions about the count in Ohio in 2004. And the GOP's misleading advertising including but not limited to Swift Boat, Willie Horton, the Hillary smears of her saying "super predator" in '16 that she failed to properly counter in Oh, WI & Pa.
2000 was outright theft. And 1980 was clear treason negotiating w the enemy w/o USA approval for the hostages to remain captives until after Regan was sworn in. That lead to Iran Contra mass global terrorism and USA crack flooding black neighborhoods.

[SergeStorms]

6. Reality is difficult to accept....

when you believe you're inherently superior to everyone else.

[kentuck]

7. Coincidentally, 61% believe everything Donald Trump tells them.

They would never have thought about a "stolen election" if Donald had not planted the seed in their fertile minds.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. Al Gore/Shrub -- Here's the difference

When SCOTUS chose Shrub, many of us were dismayed, outraged, depressed.

But we accepted the hand that we were dealt -- for 8 excruciating years and waited for 2008.

In essence, the MAGAts will NEVER ACCEPT a democratic president. It's that simple. No waiting necessary.

[Jenny von Westphalen]

13. They know they're in the dustbin of history

They want as much as they can as soon as possible before they slip away into complete oblivion
See: the frenzied hurry in repealing Roe v. Wade

[no_hypocrisy]

14. Point taken.

[Evolve Dammit]

21. and watched the war against a country that didn't attack us. War criminals.

[Atticus]

12. I don't think they REALLY "believe" that. They are doing what Republicans do:

they're LYING.

They are making the noises they're supposed to make---"hive-speech".

[maxsolomon]

45. that's an interesting point

some % of them are trolling the poll.

i've still to hear a concise, clear explanation of HOW Biden stole the election when so many repukes won other offices including increasing their share of congress.

Best I've ever got is "have you ever heard of Ray Epps?" Yes, at this point, I've heard of Ray Epps.

[TheRickles]

17. But only 30% of the population IDs as R, so 60% of that is "only" about 20%.

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(I'm trying hard to put a positive spin on some sad/pathetic/disgusting info.)

[ProfessorGAC]

29. 23-24%

Pew, Gallup, & Quinnipiac all came up with the same value for those that self-identified as Rs.
So, it's more like 13&

[TheRickles]

53. Even better. Thanks.

[underpants]

19. Repetition and propaganda work

They hear it at least implied everyday all day

[Lonestarblue]

20. Those 61% are the ones who listen to hate radio, who seeks conspiracy websites, who watch

Fox News, who go to their right-wing evangelical churches where the Sunday sermon preaches hate of non-white people and how liberals are ruining the country.

Just to contrast many of their churches with traditional Christian churches, ministers need have no training whatsoever. They just simply declare themselves preachers. Souther Baptists do have a seminary to train preachers, but attendance is not a requirement. In contrast, the Episcopalians require a person to be nominated as a candidate to become a priest and then attends seminary for three years, after which he or she is assigned a parish by their nominating bishop. The point is that people who want church leadership roles are screened not only for their knowledge but also for their suitability to lead worshipers.

In the evangelical world, anything goes and any crazy nut can be a minister.

[Marthe48]

22. How many Dems think Gore and Clinton were robbed?

Big difference is, we don't put on hate faces, go to rebellions planned by our leadership and once there, try to kill cops and people in the opposing party.

I'll go to my grave sure that Gore and Clinton were robbed of their presidency, but I won't kill anybody because of my belief.

[maxsolomon]

47. Clinton was robbed?

HI don't understand; he won twice.

Robbed by 'Peachment?

[Marthe48]

48. Hilary Clinton won the popular vote

by over 3 million votes. But traitor got in, to our shame and dismay.

[maxsolomon]

70. Oh, LOL

I thought you meant Bill.

The EC is unfair, but President Sociopathic Asshole won it. Bush v Gore was worse because they stopped discovery of the actual vote count.

[Marthe48]

74. I hope we will protect the will of the people

We sure got railroaded the last 20 years. r's will never let us forget 911, and will use it to stoke fear of everyone not white. One of the reasons blue states turn red.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. If Democrats had the power to steal elections, Trump would never have "won" in 2016

[SalamanderSleeps]

34. Russian analytics did the trick.

Whatever happened to Jared's server at the Russian embassy?

If you, or I, tried to set up a direct line to the fucking enemy we would be in fucking jail.

[The Jungle 1]

24. However when you explain the issue...

I point out to people that elections in the US are run at the county level. To steal an election world require massive corruption. How could you have that level of corruption and have no one talking? Fact is that the 61% do not understand how elections work.
When I explain this to people I get the well Ok answer. There is no argument they can present. Republican leadership and faux not news are churning this lie. What they are doing causes damage to our democracy.

[uponit7771]

31. +1, the people who believe this stupidity go into conspiracy theories vs any logical rational way

... to steal an election.

[twodogsbarking]

25. So that would equate to about 25-33% of all voters . Seems about right.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Nope

13%. Three major pollsters got results that 23-24% self-identify as republican.

[twodogsbarking]

33. You win.

[Botany]

36. They are a minority of minority and yet the media are blowning this up into something big.

Fuck 'em brain dead fox watching idiots.

[ProfessorGAC]

37. Agreed

This is barely over 1 in 8 people.
What about the other 7 not living in fantasyland?

[Botany]

50. And if it wasn't for gerrymandering, the electoral college, court packing, trillions of dollars ...

... in dark money which funds think tanks and the spreading of disinformation, right wing
media and web sites, and just rigging the hell out of state legislatures their footprint wouldn't
be near as great.

But our MSM blows up on just how important those brain idiots are. Some of "them" are so
brain dead that only death will stop the toxic stupidity in their brains. Did you know that
Barack Obama was planning to use the UN to bring Hamas fighters in order to steal a third
term and take away the people's guns?

[Marthe48]

51. I keep shutting msnbc off

As long as any media keeps airing clips of traitor, his henchmen, sadists like the guy in fl, or the guys in tx, and the fascists in Europe, I'm turning off the stream. I am hyperaware of the people willing to kill people and democracy, and I don't need to hear or see them every day. Maybe if enough consumers turn 'liberal' media off, they'll get the message we don't want those turds in our house.

[uponit7771]

26. ***FAUX NEWS IS DANGEROUS !!!***

[ancianita]

28. Just ran into a trumpculter in Alabama who said Biden will go down in history as worst prez ever.

And that I should "wake up" because he's to blame for the $6 cost of gas and the worst economy ever.

This goes way beyond the OP. They are arrogantly propagandized and refuse to access any facts.

Though this trumpculter denies watching Fox or right wing media, he parrots every last message they send.

[Farmer-Rick]

38. Ran into a Trumper the other day too

Who believes that after the election in November, Biden is going to be overthrown or something. Or maybe they are going to crown Trump as King of America. Or the economy will crash. He wasn't clear about the specifics of his conspiracy.

Here is a very poor man with very little education who thinks Trump is looking out for him. I don't get it.

I told him everything will be fine after the election. He didn't seem to agree.

[Jarqui]

32. That is a failure of US media

It is partisan and corrupt by the handful of oligarchs that control it

[ancianita]

40. Corporate media hate Democrats and Democratic presidents. They will sow seeds of violence

to rid themselves of pesky "communists" and liberals.

[intheflow]

64. Also US education.

Civics is no longer taught, information literacy isn’t taught, schools closed libraries before defunding football teams, and there are no national textbook standards so a lot of these flyover/Southern states teach whitewashed US history.

[Orrex]

39. Quite a few local GOP candidates pop up on my FB feed

Every time they do, I post on their page to ask if they will state on record that the 2020 election was legitimate and that Biden defeated Trump.

I’ve done this about 2 dozen times, and not a single one of them has responded. But plenty of their drooling supporters have had a lot to say about it!

[JohnnyRingo]

42. 62% of republicans believe climate change does not affect them.

They understand the climate is changing, but not where they live. Or it doesn't affect them directly.

It's all about being too stubborn to change an opinion, even when the fact are right in front of them.

[BlueJac]

44. Brain washed...

FOX news and Trump are to blame! Reasoning is out of the question.

[Stuart G]

49. Where do you get your statistics? Link to source of information please..Is that reliable?

[hay rick]

52. I doubt that many of them mean what they say.

I think many Republicans don't believe that the election was stolen but they are willing to say it anyway because they view it as the correct partisan response to what they view as a partisan gotcha question. Not sure which is worse- someone believing the lie or someone deliberately and knowingly repeating the lie because they don't expect or value honesty in political discourse.

[PatrickforB]

54. This is because there is a massive and well-funded right-wing propaganda apparatus that

metastasized like a cancer on us when the snake Reagan allowed the Fairness Doctrine to die in 1987.

Policy affects us, and getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine while at the same time deregulating cable TV have proven disastrous to us.

[Rocknation]

56. They HAVE to believe that people who love Trump outnumber those who don't "by a landslide"

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because the one thing that Trump fanatics ARE realistic about is knowing that it's no fun being a member of a minority group.


Rocknation

[Alexander Of Assyria]

58. Who is making this claim? A poll? Cant find your link mate!

[Kaleva]

59. Good news is that 63% of all Americans believe Biden won fair and square

[czarjak]

61. Screaming "rigged" in 2016 but accepting the results when they say "you won"? W-O-K-E though!

[Victor_c3]

62. 40% of republicans believe that there is at least some truth to the Qanon conspiracies

Or at least that was the number from a poll in 2020.

[Mr. Ected]

65. Our best play will be to pound out OUR message

While convincing the 39% that we are more aligned to their values than their Trump-saluting comrades in the GOP.

I think we're already making inroads on that front.

[Septua]

66. People believe what they want to believe or maybe...

..claim to believe whatever information they want to believe. As has been said, the denier types have been around a long time; Trump just told them what they wanted to hear and he told them the election was stolen.

They are in many ways, like Trump...narcissistic. A self centered, self serving lot that expects the world to run according to their beliefs.

[OMGWTF]

69. You're not stupid because you're a Rethuglican

You’re a Rethuglican because you’re stupid.

[rockbluff botanist]

71. What about down ballot

Speaking as an obviously omnipotent Democrat, I wonder why we did not "steal" the down ballot races too?
I've never heard a trump maggot answer that question.

Of course, they think President Obama was president when the towers came down. This is the common belief shared among the morons.

Such stupid people.

[marble falls]

83. Here in Texas, Democrats don't run in down ballot elections. And it's a big mistake ...

... down ballot is where the Louie Gohmerts get their start and training, where gerrymandering gets its start. We need to fight hard for more than the Presidency, we need to turn out every two years as well as Presidential elections.

We need to find someone to run for school boards, dog catcher, too. It is mind blowing how many elections here in Texas have Republicans running unopposed.

[PortTack]

72. They're like spoiled brats that got spanked and sent to their room. Just me, but I think they know

The truth, but continue to spew the lie because they were spanked and sent to their room!

[Ford_Prefect]

79. It's not about intelligence. It is about programming and propaganda.

For most of the last 35 years the RW message has been broadcast across America as if it were the ONLY truth. First on talk radio, then on FOX news and its clones, along with more recent evolutions on social media. It has been pounded into the MSM as well if not edited in from corporate owners.

People believe what they hear repeated by sources they have come to trust. The well organized and scripted RW media onslaught has whispered and yelled at them the truth according to Rupert Murdoch, Jerry Falwell, Karl Rove and many, many others.

[Tommymac]

80. Studies show emotions sway voters more then facts. Sane folk are losing the emotion game due to M$M

1% propaganda. They are greedy and will not go easily into the Night - they will drag the rest of us with them if they can - they are all Sociopaths.

Until we recognize that groups like TLP and Midas Touch are showing us the way to win EMOTIONS not just minds, we will continue to struggle with just appealing to peeps ' intellectual' side, as it seems most Democratic campaigns try to do...until the Rethugs scare the indies then the cycle of negative and ineffective response ads begin...

Study the past election cycles and you will SEE this.

We Dems have a really good chance here - TFG and the Hate Party appeal to all the really EVIL emotions, the crazy ones.

The old effectively cold calculating GOP ad strategists ARE NOW ON OUR SIDE.

We need to make use of their talents while we can.

EMOTIONS WIN ELECTIONS.

GOTV WINS ELECTIONS.

So when doing GOTV, go for their emotions, their hearts, not just their minds.

Roevember does this. 1/6 Hearings do this. Public distaste of TFG's maniacal misogynistic racist speeches play to this. MTG's and Boebert's moronic rants play to this. Disgust of QANON plays to this. Neo-Nazism plays to this. BLM plays to this - (yes, it really does help Democrats emotionally).

We Democrats know how to win. We have the issues on our side to win.

We just need to get out there and work hard to have the largest Midterm Cycle turnout EVAH and WE THE PEOPLE will save the Constitution.

Easy Peasy.






#GOTV2022
#ROEVEMBER2022

[I_UndergroundPanther]

81. 40 % of our population is narcissistic ,sociopaths

Dovetails almost perfectly to how many fascists and supporters of fascists there are in this country.

[DBoon]

82. De-evolution is real!