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An inspiring anti-fascist song, sung by two Iranian women without hijab: (Original Post) 70sEraVet Sep 2022 OP
That is beautiful. I don't understand the words but I'm sure they're conveying... brush Sep 2022 #1
It's Bella Ciao. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #5
The word "bravery" is thrown around so liberally eissa Sep 2022 #2
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #6
Nah, it's all forced eissa Sep 2022 #7
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #8
Masa! cilla4progress Sep 2022 #3
Goosebumps all the way through cilla4progress Sep 2022 #4

brush

(53,767 posts)
1. That is beautiful. I don't understand the words but I'm sure they're conveying...
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 04:31 PM
Sep 2022

an effective message about fascism and women's rights. Somehow these brave souls are going to jerk the old, male ayatollahs, kicking and screaming all the way, into the 21st century.

And the world will be much better for it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
5. It's Bella Ciao.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:25 PM
Sep 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao

"Bella ciao" (Italian pronunciation: [ˈbɛlla ˈtʃaːo]; "Goodbye beautiful&quot is an Italian protest folk song from the late 19th century, originally sung by the mondina workers in protest against the harsh working conditions in the paddy fields of Northern Italy.

It is generally accepted that the song was modified and adopted as an anthem of the Italian resistance movement by the partisans who opposed nazism and fascism, and fought against the occupying forces of Nazi Germany, who were allied with the fascist and collaborationist Italian Social Republic between 1943 and 1945. However, some historians argue that there is little to no evidence that Italian partisans actually sang the song.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
2. The word "bravery" is thrown around so liberally
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 04:39 PM
Sep 2022

when in reality very few meet the criteria. What we're seeing in Iran right now is true bravery. The women out in the streets protesting the hijab are lucky to make it home alive. They risk brutal beatings, torture, and far worse, for their actions.

Hijab is rarely a choice, even by those who insist it is. The societal pressure to adhere to it from centuries of social ingrainment is hard to fight, but they're doing it. This is why I have such little tolerance for the likes of Linda Sarsour or Ilhan Omar, who make excuses for that oppressive, misogynist garb.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
6. .
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 07:28 PM
Sep 2022
The women out in the streets protesting the hijab
They are protesting *forced* hijab. There is a difference.

This is why I have such little tolerance for the likes of Linda Sarsour or Ilhan Omar, who make excuses for that oppressive, misogynist garb.
A person can certainly make an argument that its roots are in misogyny. But to say that people wearing it for whatever reason they want -- cultural, religious, protest -- deserve no tolerance from you is kinda shitty and says a lot about you.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
7. Nah, it's all forced
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:11 PM
Sep 2022

Anyone who tells you it’s a choice is being dishonest. The societal pressure to conform is immense, which is why you see many young women donning it in places with a large population of people from their home countries. Once they escape those clutches, they almost always opt to shed that oppressive garb.

And spare me the lecture about having to respect misogynistic practices I’m middle-eastern, I know women who would love nothing more than to be free of the head covering, but pressure from their families prevents it. Some have parents that are sympathetic, but are worried about what others in their community would think. The one woman I know who has defied her family/community is older and well-educated. And unmarried (not by choice.) She could marry outside of her community, but that’s not allowed either.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
8. .
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 09:20 PM
Sep 2022
Anyone who tells you it’s a choice is being dishonest.
Broad brush you got there, lol.

I know women who would love nothing more than to be free of the head covering, but pressure from their families prevents it.
And I know people who have made thoughtful, considered decisions to wear the hijab, despite how they were raised.
It's a big world!
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