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Nevilledog

(50,687 posts)
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 08:36 PM Sep 2022

Deconstructing Karen



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"Would you trade places with a Black person?"

That's one question that @Race2D founders Regina Jackson and Saira Rao ask their guests — white women. They host dinner parties where the main course is open, honest conversation about racism.

(📺: Deconstructing Karen | @cbcdocs)


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3:45 PM · Sep 27, 2022


YouTube clip (obviously posted so racists could show their racist comments)




Looks like the only way to see the whole documentary is to be in Canada or know how to use VPN.

The comments to the YouTube clip really validated, for me, what the women leading the discussion said.
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Deconstructing Karen (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
👀 underpants Sep 2022 #1
Hoowee she was great! jpak Sep 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author jpak Sep 2022 #3
Deconstructing Saira, Regina and their PR machine NameStolen Sep 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Sep 2022 #5
Welcome to DU GP6971 Sep 2022 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #16
Hi! My name is John! johnp3907 Sep 2022 #7
Oh, NO, I've heard of your kind KS Toronado Sep 2022 #19
We don't get canceled. johnp3907 Sep 2022 #25
I hate it when that happens KS Toronado Sep 2022 #31
So you haven't seen the documentary. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #8
Oh no Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #18
I am Karen Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #21
de-rec: deflecting of the attention away from exposing white systemic racism, done via a contrived Celerity Sep 2022 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #20
No clue what you are on about, you are tossing out these distractive attempts to claim victimhood Celerity Sep 2022 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #28
Nice distraction. Welcome to DU. n/t LuckyCharms Sep 2022 #11
How the fuck are people losing their jobs and friends for being named Karen? LuckyCharms Sep 2022 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #22
When will Benedict Arnold's website be up? live love laugh Sep 2022 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #30
Judas, Jim Crow, Benedict Arnold .... live love laugh Sep 2022 #33
Is this the only reason you joined DU? ShazzieB Sep 2022 #39
This is hilarious. betsuni Sep 2022 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2022 #17
That is who I thought sarisataka Sep 2022 #32
My bff is named Karen--she's never been victimized by the name. live love laugh Sep 2022 #35
My co-worker is Karen sarisataka Sep 2022 #37
If your name is Bob, I'm sorry, I didn't steal it. Aristus Sep 2022 #15
Would your name by any chance be Karen? I spent my school years getting razzed on my name ... marble falls Sep 2022 #38
I don't think it's a fair question. Goodheart Sep 2022 #12
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2022 #23
I wonder what the male version would be like? SYFROYH Sep 2022 #27
Matt Gaetz Celerity Sep 2022 #29
We could start calling all child molesters "Matt Gaetz" KS Toronado Sep 2022 #34
😃😃😂😂😂😆 live love laugh Sep 2022 #36
Nooooo! Don't victimize Matts! 😱 ShazzieB Sep 2022 #41
Biff, Todd, Cameron, (blank) the III, Lance ... there's a good list. Right now 'asshole' seems ... marble falls Sep 2022 #40
There's also Chad, but it may only be incels that use that one. ShazzieB Sep 2022 #42
Incels call women "if onlys". Women call incels - "As Ifs". marble falls Sep 2022 #43
LOL! ShazzieB Sep 2022 #44

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

 

NameStolen

(11 posts)
4. Deconstructing Saira, Regina and their PR machine
Thu Sep 29, 2022, 11:02 PM
Sep 2022

Are you really taking seriously a movie that fights identity-based prejudice by promoting identity-based prejudice? 7 million people worldwide of all races and ethnicities are named Karen and another 5 million are part of the Karen ethnolinguistic group named Karen. Their name and identity has been stolen and destroyed.

Don't believe it? People are losing jobs, friends, being harassed and even threatened with violence due to having that name. Let's talk about people being stereotyped, villainized and made the butt of jokes until they feel forced to change their names. Let's talk about children and adults pushed to suicide attempts by attacks and gaslighting. Read more at www.karenismyname.org.

And yeah, it's intersectional. Your friend Karen who laughs it off most likely has a good income, professional standing, and strong support from family and friends. She probably doesn't suffer from PTSD or social anxiety or wear a nametag daily in a job she can't afford to leave or have coworkers or family who taunt her or have children afraid to reveal their mom's name to their classmates.

This fiilm - which contains exactly zero characters, actors or producers whose identity is Karen - is profiteering from the mangling of other people's core identities. Although the perpetrators claim to be experts in deconstructing prejudice, they're either extraordinarily shallow or massive hypocritical - or both. And that poisons the whole premise of the film. We need to fight racism, not just redirect hate.

Response to NameStolen (Reply #4)

Response to GP6971 (Reply #6)

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
9. Oh no
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:39 AM
Sep 2022

won't someone think of the karens?

Seriously, this is dumb. It sucks that people were saddled with a name that became a meme, but there are worse injustices out there.

(Having said that, these dinner conversations made the news a couple of years ago, https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/eavesdropping-on-race2dinners-anti-racist-dinner-parties.html

Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #9)

Celerity

(42,669 posts)
10. de-rec: deflecting of the attention away from exposing white systemic racism, done via a contrived
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:17 AM
Sep 2022

'but we Karens are the real victims' stance

smdh


Response to Celerity (Reply #10)

Celerity

(42,669 posts)
26. No clue what you are on about, you are tossing out these distractive attempts to claim victimhood
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:17 PM
Sep 2022

on multiple threads.

you claim

The pointless stereotyping of 12 million people was unnecessary and promotes prejudice and hatred against people who identify that way.


No one is stereotyping all women named Karen simply due to their name, that is a ridiculous construct.

Response to Celerity (Reply #26)

Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #13)

live love laugh

(13,009 posts)
24. When will Benedict Arnold's website be up?
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:35 PM
Sep 2022


What other names besides Karen is the so called Name Society defending?

Response to live love laugh (Reply #24)

live love laugh

(13,009 posts)
33. Judas, Jim Crow, Benedict Arnold ....
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:58 PM
Sep 2022

are commonly villianized names nobody seems to have crusaded for at the name society.

So why is Karen “special” ?

ShazzieB

(15,958 posts)
39. Is this the only reason you joined DU?
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:46 PM
Sep 2022

Did you join just to post about this one particular issue? It looks that way, since all of your posts so far have been about the same thing, a lot of it repeats of the same stuff.

I agree that it's unfortunate that a particular name has been singled out to mean something bad. It sucks, and it's definitely not fair to people with that name. However, that ship has sailed, the horse has left the barn, the genie is out of the bottle. There's nothing anyone here can do about it, and berating people in post after post is not going to change that.

I hope you didn't come here just to beat that particular dead horse. (There I go again with the metaphors, lol.) I guess time will tell!

Response to betsuni (Reply #14)

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
32. That is who I thought
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:54 PM
Sep 2022

You were referring to.

I know many Karen, they are wonderful people. I like to volunteer with field trips and watch people try to remember their names.

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
37. My co-worker is Karen
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:16 PM
Sep 2022

But she's not a "Karen"

I am speaking however of the Karen people who immigrated here. We have the largest community of them in the US. They have names like Ma Bluh, Ler Htoo, La Ri Moo Sa-Htoo...

My wife helps tutor many children.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
38. Would your name by any chance be Karen? I spent my school years getting razzed on my name ...
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:40 PM
Sep 2022

... at school daily and ALL day long. I have no, NO sympathy for Karens. I really doubt that any of the Karen Culture in SE Asia have any clue about the 'Karen' meme in the US.

What is your real concern????

Goodheart

(5,264 posts)
12. I don't think it's a fair question.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:51 AM
Sep 2022

Which black woman? Oprah? Or the unfortunate homeless lady?

I don't know the backgrounds of those white ladies, either, so it's not very fair to be referring to white women as "Karens", either.

KS Toronado

(16,911 posts)
34. We could start calling all child molesters "Matt Gaetz"
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:00 PM
Sep 2022

All MAGAts could be "Lil donnies"
All Karens well how about "Karen"

ShazzieB

(15,958 posts)
41. Nooooo! Don't victimize Matts! 😱
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:56 PM
Sep 2022

My daughter's boyfriend is named Matt, and he's wonderful. *clutches imaginary pearls*

J/K, in part. My daughter's boyfriend is named Matt, and he is wonderful - that part is true. The pearl clutching part, not so much.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
40. Biff, Todd, Cameron, (blank) the III, Lance ... there's a good list. Right now 'asshole' seems ...
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:46 PM
Sep 2022

... to be the leader.

ShazzieB

(15,958 posts)
42. There's also Chad, but it may only be incels that use that one.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:59 PM
Sep 2022

The incels have a name for women, too. I forget what it is.

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