The UN took a vote

[EndlessWire]

Albania and the US put up a resolution to condemn the annexation of Ukrainian territory. There were two abstentions, but all the rest of the security council voted in favor of the resolution, with the exception of Russia, who vetoed it.

Ukraine called, once again, for the ouster of Russia from the UN.

This vote was characterized as a vote in favor of upholding the UN charter.

[SheltieLover]

1. Kick ruskies out of UN

They are not the USSR.

[dchill]

11. Which means they're ALREADY out of the UN.

Since December 26, 1991. I rest everybody's case!

[jaxexpat]

12. Zackly!

However, it was never actually the USSR who held veto power in the UN. It was their nuclear arsenal. Those awkward pieces of technology have vetoed a lot of stuff over the decades.

[Lonestarblue]

13. But Ukraine also held nuclear weapons back then. I think it was Clinton who comvinced them

to give the nuclear weapons to Russia (very, very bad decision) in return for a pledge to protect Ukraine from Russia. We have not fully lives up to that pledge, and those nuclear weapons should have been destroyed or moved to the US arsenal rather than given to Russia. Trusting Russia is always a big mistake.

[jaxexpat]

15. I was speaking to the initial charter of the UN.

Wherein the big 4 had veto power (and more or less still do as the big 5 with the addition of China). I opine that the US, Britain and France would have overridden the USSR veto many times over the years were it not for their nuclear superpower position. Also, I think Russia had plenty of nukes prior to the dissolution if the USSR.
But you are in the ballpark. Nuclear shuffleboard of the post Soviet era is largely responsible for Ukraine's current value visavis the Russians.

[OMGWTF]

16. Trusting the US hasn't worked out too well for the Kurds.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. I hate to say anything bad about Clinton, but

he strong armed them into giving them up, basically making an offer that they couldn't refuse. He then refused to give security guarantees, but instead gave "assurances" that were essentially worthless.

His justification for that was that he didn't want to put the U.S. into a situation where we might end up fighting the Russians, but then he let Poland and other former East Block countries into NATO soon after. So essentially saying that we'll go to war with Russia over Poland, but not over Ukraine.

Basically Ukraine got royally screwed.

[Hortensis]

18. :) Right. And if they don't accept it, we can vote on it.

But without need to fake the results.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. China, India, Brazil and Gabon abstained from vote

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/russia-vetoes-un-resolution-condemning-referendums-to-annex-ukraines-territories/2699617

[peppertree]

8. I see Bolsonazi is leaving the same way he came in

[Just A Box Of Rain]

3. There were reportedly four abstentions: China, Gabon, India and Brazil.

Of these, only China is a "permanent member," which gives them--like Russia--a potential veto power.

[Historic NY]

4. Kind of dumb to allow the offender to vote.

[thesquanderer]

9. I think sometimes the U.S has been the offender, and allowed to vote... n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

20. That's dumb too. nt

[thesquanderer]

21. It may be dumb, but it's why the U.S. would not support changing the rules (n/t)

[Delphinus]

5. How Russia

has been allowed to stay on the security council, as they are perpetrating this war, is beyond me. Fox/henhouse kind of thing.

[Mr. Evil]

6. Can't ruffle the feathers?

Don't want to make waves?

I don't know. But, it seems that doing the right thing is beyond you, me and every decent human being. It just seems that not one person in the UN has the where-with-all to stand tall and simply state the truth. I guess that would disturb the decorum.

[James48]

7. Russia needs to be removed from the Security Council

It is NOT Russia that earned that seat, it was the Soviet Union.
And Russian is NOT the Soviet Union.

I think Ukraine deserves to hold the Security seat once held by The Soviet Union.

[roamer65]

10. RuZZia needs to be kicked out of the UN.

[JT45242]

14. The old Soviet seat should rotate through the republics one at a time

Russia can go to the back of the line.

Very simple and sensible solution. If each former Soviet republic gets a turn on the council for 1 year and then rotate, the Russian Republic has had 21 turns already. So once each of the other 14 former Soviet republics get twenty turns before the Russian Republic earns it's next turn. In 2302 they can have a turn.

[OMGWTF]

17. Very creative and diplomatic solution!