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Hardly any Dem TV ads calling attention to RoeVWade as a STRONG message. Oh, it's mentioned by Demings/Crist in ads but it's part of a list. We play softball to the rePUKS 120mph fastballs. They scream we whisper. Rant over.
elleng
(130,742 posts)Who leads Dem congressional delegation?
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)Our messaging needs some serious work.
YouTube ads are packed with right wing candidates. We need to do the same ASAP.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,104 posts)at least in my estimation. Sorry if that seems like a denigrating statement, but it is based on years of beating my head against the wall.
DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)You are not alone Ferret, Many are questioning why we haven't been street fighting...............
bedazzled
(1,760 posts)In Florida? Should be an ad every five minutes.
LenaBaby61
(6,973 posts)A friend in Palmdale told me that the woman running for the seat in her 25th district named Kristy (I forgot her last name) is running 'nice' ads and only has one ad about abortion running against her GQP opponent Mike Garcia that runs very rarely. This fool Garcia says daily that Biden stole the election from Fatso, has called Biden a communist, and he also thinks that abortion should be federalized and that women should be sent to jail for life for having abortions.
LORD have mercy @ Dem LACK of messaging. These GQP US Taliban crazies are not playing with Dems and will destroy what's left of our Democrat and country. It's like Dems don't get that this is it if we lose the house and senate. Ryan in Ohio gets it, but few others. The GQP will hold hearings and impeach Biden and Harris, Fauci and with their high court bought and paid for, which will rule on even crazier things that will hurt all but rich, white, wealthy reich-winged males, it's OVER for the USA which will become the USSA.
WHERE is the urgency for Dems here? Where is Jamie Harrison? He's an intelligent, bright and very nice man and that's the problem. Too nice.
recovering_democrat
(224 posts)I am registered to get mail in ballot. ARRIVED IN TODAY'S MAIL (10-6).
in recovering hurricane areas we have inconsistent phone and internet service. I have seen few political ads here at all. Comcast TV, internet on and off but seen very few political ads generally. FYI comment for this topic.
babylonsister
(171,035 posts)from our Dems in FL also; Rubio's are aired very often and are full of lies about Val. I wish she'd counter that. Same with Crist; few and far between compared to his competition.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,155 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(43,155 posts)But as I said, single issue campaigning in general isn't very productive.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Than doing nothing.
Mozeltov Cocktail
(200 posts)Val Demings is running some very good ads, she's attacking Rubio mostly on abortion in English and Spanish. Crist...not so much.
That said, my immediate area is blue surrounded by a sea of red. Democrats messaging is mealy mouthed crap. Between gerrymandering the districts, poor messaging on the part of the Democrats and the general ignorance of the population, I don't think Florida is going to be participating in the Blue Wave that I believe is going to sweep our nation.
peppertree
(21,604 posts)Unless they start taking your sage advice, SayItLoud my good man.
PatrickforB
(14,559 posts)I'm sorry, I have caught flak before on here for saying that but the reversal of Roe v Wade is a HUGE millstone around every single Republican neck and we need to be POUNDING ON IT with every other sentence.
Everyone who even conceivably could vote needs to have heard it 100 times or more in ad after ad after ad before the election.
Why is the FL Democratic party and any outside groups not broadcasting this message loud and clear?
ancianita
(35,939 posts)Don't swallow that pro-Republican corporate messaging about Democrats.
Every single Democrat on DU should know how corporate and pro-Republican media are in Florida.
SUPPORT the Democratic Party of Florida.
PatrickforB
(14,559 posts)No argument here.
But that isn't my point.
I said WE are bad at messaging. This means, in the day of super PACs and Citizens United, we ought to be spending millions on our own ads putting out our message.
The media won't. We both know this.
So we need to do it. Loud, incessant and ugly. Ram it down their throats. That's what I'm saying. The media isn't ever going to tell the truth. We need to. I've seen some national ad buys, so that's good, and is what I'm talking about.
ancianita
(35,939 posts)U.S. campaign ad buy is larger than the economies of a lot of countries.
Explain how we get messaging out loud, incessant and ugly, then, other than media. You've not said how.
This party gets media ad buy and exposure.
So do not conflate not listening with not hearing the party message.
Do not conflate loud with getting through.
Do not think ramming down throats will bring anti-democracy thinkers to vote Democratic.
When they don't listen, or don't agree, or don't respond, it's because they don't want to.
When the receivers of messages choose not to agree, do not blame the sender.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... over and over and facts need to speak louder than what we want things to be
ancianita
(35,939 posts)Latino voters were a crucial part of President Joe Biden's electoral victory in the 2020 Presidential election. He won 65% of the Latino vote to Trump's 32%,[23] according to Edison Research exit polls. In the swing states of Arizona and Nevada, Latino voters made the difference for Joe Biden. Many Latino voters in Nevada are members of the Culinary Union Local 226 and supported Biden based on Right-to-work standards.[24]
In heavily urbanized northeastern states and in California, Biden secured overwhelming majorities among Latino voters, as has long been the case for Democratic presidential candidates.[25]
However, Latino voters proved that they were not monolithic.[26] In Florida, Donald Trump earned strong Latino support among Cuban and South American communities in Miami-Dade County, and earned 46% of the overall Latino vote in Florida, much higher than his 35% showing in 2016. This shift occurred due to anti-Socialist messaging by Trump's campaign.[27][28]
Additionally, in heavily-Latino South Texas, Biden lost ground compared to Hillary Clinton in 2016, especially in rural counties, however he still carried the Latino vote in the Rio Grande Valley by double digits.[29]
They're not monolithically Democratic, but they're not mostly Republican, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_vote
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... like ground games in communities of color.
https://about.bgov.com/news/hispanic-democrats-warn-party-to-learn-from-south-texas-loss/
ancianita
(35,939 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... sentiment if Miami Dade didn't happen but we both know it did.
Dems responded late and not in Spanish !!!
Latino organizers have been screaming for years the DNC messaging ***IN SPANISH*** is missing in their communities and mine also.
I'm not talking about a couple of reachable markets I'm talking about overall saturation, its not there
ancianita
(35,939 posts)Y por eso, tenemos que aprender español, sí? No tenemos que leerlo, pero tenemos que hablarlo.
El mensaje es bueno; pero el mensaje no es sentar a los Latinos bastante. Lo entiendo.
En la Florida, veo noticias in Español, y otras partes, y en todos los casos veo comunicados del gobierno a los Latinos en español. Este partido Democratico tiene que aprender español, pero nuestro gobierno demócrata ya se comunica en español.
Should I translate? If so, then we Democrats can see the problem.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)BaronChocula
(1,522 posts)Democratic Party
100% policy
0% messaging
goppers
100% messaging
0% policy
ancianita
(35,939 posts)Charlie Crist has been showing up all over the state. He's meeting Floridians. De Santis is not.
Those who remember Crist as governor see him as better than DeSatan.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20220923_FL_Listener.pdf
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)I've not seen one ***NATIONAL ADD*** in my area in any media about MAGA and abortion ... NOT ONE ...
ancianita
(35,939 posts)Since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Democrats have spent nearly eight times as much on abortion-related ads as Republicans have.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/abortion-midterms-2022-ads-democrats.html
In Michigan, Democrats took aim at the Republican nominee for governor almost immediately after the primary with a television ad highlighting her opposition to abortion, without exceptions for rape or incest.
In Georgia, Democrats recently attacked the Republican governor in another television ad, with women speaking fearfully about the specter of being investigated and criminalized.
And in Arizona, the Republican nominees for both Senate and governor were confronted almost instantly after their primaries with different ads calling them dangerous for their anti-abortion positions.
All across America, Democrats are using abortion as a powerful cudgel in their 2022 television campaigns, paying for an onslaught of ads in House, Senate and governors races that show how swiftly abortion politics have shifted since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in late June.
With national protections for abortion rights suddenly gone and bans going into effect in many states, senior White House officials and top Democratic strategists believe the issue has radically reshaped the 2022 landscape in their favor. They say it has not only reawakened the partys progressive base, but also provided a wedge issue that could wrest away independent voters and even some Republican women who believe abortion opponents have overreached.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)ancianita
(35,939 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... again MO might be too far gone to invest but I'd think after Kansas this area would be flooded with anti MAGA extremist messaging.
Its not
ancianita
(35,939 posts)does buy messaging. But you can't spend for messaging to people in MO and FL who do not want to hear it.
Heard of Maxwell Frost? There's an example of a FL Democrat who's Val Demings' replacement candidate for her district.
Has anyone here even breathed a word of concern that her district will stay Democratic?
If so, I haven't seen it.
Here's Frost's website. I encourage everyone to pease donate.
https://www.frostforcongress.com
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... MO (MO has 2nd least voter access in America, its not red) and 1/3 of whole KS population voted in primary election a majority for abortion rights after a solid dem ground game was put in place.
I'm living right next to KS, at that time you couldn't miss the adds about abortion.
The abortion adds aren't there any more, not like during KS primary vote
I'm thinking dem messaging is a matter of resources, I'm REALLY landing on that as a reasoning its not saturated in MO like it was in KS some months ago.
ancianita
(35,939 posts)(secretary). Because they don't invest there. I've got proof in Florida with Dist 2 Dem Al Lawson v Rep. Neal Dunn -- The fundraising email follows reports that the DCCC isnt fighting for Lawson.
In the North Florida duel between U.S. Reps. Neal Dunn and Al Lawson, the underdog Democrat is requesting individual contributions in the absence of national backup. WHY the hell is THAT.
We could argue all day about where the DNC's goes and won't go, and why they should. But we don't have to get all neurotic about Democrats generally when exceptions build up.
We know the DNC does election financing. We have told people here that when they don't agree with where the DNC sends money, then send money directly to the candidates they want.
When the DNC and DCSS wasn't sufficiently funding Obama, I sent my full donation directly to him, not through ActBlue, not through middlemen.
So if this is now coming up, it would be helpful to have a large thread about it, adding some historical threads about midterm issues.
ancianita
(35,939 posts)August 24
October 4
Link to tweet
DONATE. HELP DEMOCRATS AND CHARLIE CRIST IN FLORIDA.
https://charliecrist.com
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)And the opposite of what the Dems are doing in MI. Every other Dem ad is about abortion rights here in the Great Lakes State.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Sharice Davids is running on abortion rights but its not a highlight of her campaign but in MO ... nothing, like a ghost town in regards to abortion rights