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SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:12 PM Oct 2022

Here in Florida

Hardly any Dem TV ads calling attention to RoeVWade as a STRONG message. Oh, it's mentioned by Demings/Crist in ads but it's part of a list. We play softball to the rePUKS 120mph fastballs. They scream we whisper. Rant over.

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Here in Florida (Original Post) SayItLoud Oct 2022 OP
RIDICULOUS! elleng Oct 2022 #1
I don't understand it either AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #2
Hasn't it always. It seems we do not know how to play hardball...or refuse to do so... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #12
Really makes you wonder, huh.......... DENVERPOPS Oct 2022 #17
No mention of social security or Medicare either bedazzled Oct 2022 #3
Agreed! Rebl2 Oct 2022 #4
Most Dems have the worst messaging in the entire world. HORRIBLE. LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #5
This XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #13
Upcoming election recovering_democrat Oct 2022 #6
I'd like to see A LOT more ads babylonsister Oct 2022 #7
Elections aren't won on a single issue. nt Tommy Carcetti Oct 2022 #8
But they should be tailor-made for area such as FLA and the glaring issues that will affect them. sprinkleeninow Oct 2022 #9
Then that single issue would probably be climate change. Tommy Carcetti Oct 2022 #11
Single issue campaigning is more productive bluecollar2 Oct 2022 #23
Tampa Bay area... Mozeltov Cocktail Oct 2022 #10
As hopeless as a snowball in Flawrida peppertree Oct 2022 #14
Our party has always been lousy at messaging. PatrickforB Oct 2022 #15
NO it has NOT. MEDIA has always been lousy at carrying our party's messaging. ancianita Oct 2022 #20
We all know the media is corporate owned and pro Wall St. profits. PatrickforB Oct 2022 #21
If "We all know," then stop blaming Democrats for messaging. Our message is in what we do. ancianita Oct 2022 #22
***YES IT HAS*** Especially in communities of color. Voto Latino (sp) polls have confirmed this uponit7771 Oct 2022 #24
Democrats are not failing to get the Latino vote. ancianita Oct 2022 #26
Dems are failing to get the most votes out of CoC we can and its because of lack of Stacy Abrams uponit7771 Oct 2022 #28
One warning and one flip do not a Latino Vote loss make. You exaggerate party failings. ancianita Oct 2022 #30
True, the article wasn't just south Texas though right? I'd agree with your overall ... uponit7771 Oct 2022 #31
Right. Just two places. ancianita Oct 2022 #34
+1000 GuppyGal Oct 2022 #41
Here's a breakdown BaronChocula Oct 2022 #16
The breakdown is WRONG. ancianita Oct 2022 #19
You *KNOW* abortion issue should be nationalized so what difference would a single candidate make? uponit7771 Oct 2022 #25
I DO. AND THEY HAVE. ancianita Oct 2022 #27
"All across America" Hmmmm, maybe MO is too far gone ... there's no saturation here uponit7771 Oct 2022 #29
Find a contradicting source for "all across America," and you've got a fair argument. ancianita Oct 2022 #32
KCMO is part of **ALL** across America and dem abortion message is no doubt missing here .... uponit7771 Oct 2022 #33
Right. And Dems are not investing in FL, either. I have issues with that because investing ancianita Oct 2022 #35
"MO and FL who do not want to hear it." this is 100% not true . Kansas is way more red than ... uponit7771 Oct 2022 #37
Then take that up with party leadership, Jaime Harrison (Chair) Chris Korge (Finance) Jason Rae ancianita Oct 2022 #39
+1, uponit7771 Oct 2022 #40
I'm here in Florida. You haven't posted one scream ad, and I haven't seen them. So I disagree. ancianita Oct 2022 #18
That's disappointing Johnny2X2X Oct 2022 #36
+1, I think dems have written MO off even though KS showed abortion was a game changer in KS. uponit7771 Oct 2022 #38
 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
2. I don't understand it either
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:23 PM
Oct 2022

Our messaging needs some serious work.
YouTube ads are packed with right wing candidates. We need to do the same ASAP.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,104 posts)
12. Hasn't it always. It seems we do not know how to play hardball...or refuse to do so...
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:24 PM
Oct 2022

at least in my estimation. Sorry if that seems like a denigrating statement, but it is based on years of beating my head against the wall.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
17. Really makes you wonder, huh..........
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:48 PM
Oct 2022

You are not alone Ferret, Many are questioning why we haven't been street fighting...............

LenaBaby61

(6,973 posts)
5. Most Dems have the worst messaging in the entire world. HORRIBLE.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:37 PM
Oct 2022

A friend in Palmdale told me that the woman running for the seat in her 25th district named Kristy (I forgot her last name) is running 'nice' ads and only has one ad about abortion running against her GQP opponent Mike Garcia that runs very rarely. This fool Garcia says daily that Biden stole the election from Fatso, has called Biden a communist, and he also thinks that abortion should be federalized and that women should be sent to jail for life for having abortions.

LORD have mercy @ Dem LACK of messaging. These GQP US Taliban crazies are not playing with Dems and will destroy what's left of our Democrat and country. It's like Dems don't get that this is it if we lose the house and senate. Ryan in Ohio gets it, but few others. The GQP will hold hearings and impeach Biden and Harris, Fauci and with their high court bought and paid for, which will rule on even crazier things that will hurt all but rich, white, wealthy reich-winged males, it's OVER for the USA which will become the USSA.

WHERE is the urgency for Dems here? Where is Jamie Harrison? He's an intelligent, bright and very nice man and that's the problem. Too nice.

6. Upcoming election
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:38 PM
Oct 2022

I am registered to get mail in ballot. ARRIVED IN TODAY'S MAIL (10-6).

in recovering hurricane areas we have inconsistent phone and internet service. I have seen few political ads here at all. Comcast TV, internet on and off but seen very few political ads generally. FYI comment for this topic.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
7. I'd like to see A LOT more ads
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:40 PM
Oct 2022

from our Dems in FL also; Rubio's are aired very often and are full of lies about Val. I wish she'd counter that. Same with Crist; few and far between compared to his competition.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
11. Then that single issue would probably be climate change.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:49 PM
Oct 2022

But as I said, single issue campaigning in general isn't very productive.

Mozeltov Cocktail

(200 posts)
10. Tampa Bay area...
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:47 PM
Oct 2022

Val Demings is running some very good ads, she's attacking Rubio mostly on abortion in English and Spanish. Crist...not so much.
That said, my immediate area is blue surrounded by a sea of red. Democrats messaging is mealy mouthed crap. Between gerrymandering the districts, poor messaging on the part of the Democrats and the general ignorance of the population, I don't think Florida is going to be participating in the Blue Wave that I believe is going to sweep our nation.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
14. As hopeless as a snowball in Flawrida
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:30 PM
Oct 2022

Unless they start taking your sage advice, SayItLoud my good man.

PatrickforB

(14,559 posts)
15. Our party has always been lousy at messaging.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:32 PM
Oct 2022

I'm sorry, I have caught flak before on here for saying that but the reversal of Roe v Wade is a HUGE millstone around every single Republican neck and we need to be POUNDING ON IT with every other sentence.

Everyone who even conceivably could vote needs to have heard it 100 times or more in ad after ad after ad before the election.

Why is the FL Democratic party and any outside groups not broadcasting this message loud and clear?

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
20. NO it has NOT. MEDIA has always been lousy at carrying our party's messaging.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:34 PM
Oct 2022

Don't swallow that pro-Republican corporate messaging about Democrats.

the FL Democratic party and any outside groups not broadcasting this message loud and clear?


Every single Democrat on DU should know how corporate and pro-Republican media are in Florida.

SUPPORT the Democratic Party of Florida.

PatrickforB

(14,559 posts)
21. We all know the media is corporate owned and pro Wall St. profits.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 12:16 AM
Oct 2022

No argument here.

But that isn't my point.

I said WE are bad at messaging. This means, in the day of super PACs and Citizens United, we ought to be spending millions on our own ads putting out our message.

The media won't. We both know this.

So we need to do it. Loud, incessant and ugly. Ram it down their throats. That's what I'm saying. The media isn't ever going to tell the truth. We need to. I've seen some national ad buys, so that's good, and is what I'm talking about.

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
22. If "We all know," then stop blaming Democrats for messaging. Our message is in what we do.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 06:39 AM
Oct 2022

U.S. campaign ad buy is larger than the economies of a lot of countries.

Explain how we get messaging out loud, incessant and ugly, then, other than media. You've not said how.

This party gets media ad buy and exposure.

So do not conflate not listening with not hearing the party message.

Do not conflate loud with getting through.

Do not think ramming down throats will bring anti-democracy thinkers to vote Democratic.
When they don't listen, or don't agree, or don't respond, it's because they don't want to.

When the receivers of messages choose not to agree, do not blame the sender.




uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
24. ***YES IT HAS*** Especially in communities of color. Voto Latino (sp) polls have confirmed this
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 07:20 AM
Oct 2022

... over and over and facts need to speak louder than what we want things to be

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
26. Democrats are not failing to get the Latino vote.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 07:43 AM
Oct 2022
There is a significant amount of literature dedicated to analyzing what influences Latino vote choices. One strong determinant has been found to be religion, which is believed to play a role in defining the political attitudes and behaviors of Latino voters. Latinos have long been associated with Catholicism with respect to faith and religious identity[12] and with the Democratic Party with regard to political allegiance and identity.[13] Although most Latinos affiliate themselves with the Democratic Party, the Latino National Political Survey, has found a consistent finding that Latinos identify themselves ideologically as moderates and conservatives. Social conservatism usually originates from religion, which oftentimes predicts Latino's opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, support for the death penalty, and support for traditional gender roles. Religion's ideological role is undeniable in its political influence in both parties. However, noting the shared collective identity that is often associated with a particular religion, it's worth noting that political beliefs are often a result of community values, rather than solely religious. Notably, in 2006 and 2008, the Democratic party held an advantage in Latino/a voter turnout and results.[14] During these election cycles, and still to a degree today, the Democratic party appeals to issues such as immigration and healthcare, while the Republican party tends to continue on social issues and religion-based appeal...

Latino voters were a crucial part of President Joe Biden's electoral victory in the 2020 Presidential election. He won 65% of the Latino vote to Trump's 32%,[23] according to Edison Research exit polls. In the swing states of Arizona and Nevada, Latino voters made the difference for Joe Biden. Many Latino voters in Nevada are members of the Culinary Union Local 226 and supported Biden based on Right-to-work standards.[24]

In heavily urbanized northeastern states and in California, Biden secured overwhelming majorities among Latino voters, as has long been the case for Democratic presidential candidates.[25]

However, Latino voters proved that they were not monolithic.[26] In Florida, Donald Trump earned strong Latino support among Cuban and South American communities in Miami-Dade County, and earned 46% of the overall Latino vote in Florida, much higher than his 35% showing in 2016. This shift occurred due to anti-Socialist messaging by Trump's campaign.[27][28]

Additionally, in heavily-Latino South Texas, Biden lost ground compared to Hillary Clinton in 2016, especially in rural counties, however he still carried the Latino vote in the Rio Grande Valley by double digits.[29]


They're not monolithically Democratic, but they're not mostly Republican, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_vote

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
31. True, the article wasn't just south Texas though right? I'd agree with your overall ...
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:07 AM
Oct 2022

... sentiment if Miami Dade didn't happen but we both know it did.

Dems responded late and not in Spanish !!!

Latino organizers have been screaming for years the DNC messaging ***IN SPANISH*** is missing in their communities and mine also.

I'm not talking about a couple of reachable markets I'm talking about overall saturation, its not there

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
34. Right. Just two places.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:18 AM
Oct 2022

Y por eso, tenemos que aprender español, sí? No tenemos que leerlo, pero tenemos que hablarlo.

El mensaje es bueno; pero el mensaje no es sentar a los Latinos bastante. Lo entiendo.

En la Florida, veo noticias in Español, y otras partes, y en todos los casos veo comunicados del gobierno a los Latinos en español. Este partido Democratico tiene que aprender español, pero nuestro gobierno demócrata ya se comunica en español.

Should I translate? If so, then we Democrats can see the problem.

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
19. The breakdown is WRONG.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:30 PM
Oct 2022

Charlie Crist has been showing up all over the state. He's meeting Floridians. De Santis is not.
Those who remember Crist as governor see him as better than DeSatan.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20220923_FL_Listener.pdf


uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
25. You *KNOW* abortion issue should be nationalized so what difference would a single candidate make?
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 07:23 AM
Oct 2022

I've not seen one ***NATIONAL ADD*** in my area in any media about MAGA and abortion ... NOT ONE ...

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
27. I DO. AND THEY HAVE.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 07:46 AM
Oct 2022
Why Abortion Has Become a Centerpiece of Democratic TV Ads in 2022
Since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Democrats have spent nearly eight times as much on abortion-related ads as Republicans have.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/abortion-midterms-2022-ads-democrats.html


In Michigan, Democrats took aim at the Republican nominee for governor almost immediately after the primary with a television ad highlighting her opposition to abortion, without exceptions for rape or incest.

In Georgia, Democrats recently attacked the Republican governor in another television ad, with women speaking fearfully about the specter of being investigated and “criminalized.”

And in Arizona, the Republican nominees for both Senate and governor were confronted almost instantly after their primaries with different ads calling them “dangerous” for their anti-abortion positions.

All across America, Democrats are using abortion as a powerful cudgel in their 2022 television campaigns, paying for an onslaught of ads in House, Senate and governor’s races that show how swiftly abortion politics have shifted since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in late June.
With national protections for abortion rights suddenly gone and bans going into effect in many states, senior White House officials and top Democratic strategists believe the issue has radically reshaped the 2022 landscape in their favor. They say it has not only reawakened the party’s progressive base, but also provided a wedge issue that could wrest away independent voters and even some Republican women who believe abortion opponents have overreached.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
33. KCMO is part of **ALL** across America and dem abortion message is no doubt missing here ....
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:14 AM
Oct 2022

... again MO might be too far gone to invest but I'd think after Kansas this area would be flooded with anti MAGA extremist messaging.

Its not

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
35. Right. And Dems are not investing in FL, either. I have issues with that because investing
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:23 AM
Oct 2022

does buy messaging. But you can't spend for messaging to people in MO and FL who do not want to hear it.

Heard of Maxwell Frost? There's an example of a FL Democrat who's Val Demings' replacement candidate for her district.

Has anyone here even breathed a word of concern that her district will stay Democratic?
If so, I haven't seen it.

Here's Frost's website. I encourage everyone to pease donate.

https://www.frostforcongress.com

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
37. "MO and FL who do not want to hear it." this is 100% not true . Kansas is way more red than ...
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:29 AM
Oct 2022

... MO (MO has 2nd least voter access in America, its not red) and 1/3 of whole KS population voted in primary election a majority for abortion rights after a solid dem ground game was put in place.

I'm living right next to KS, at that time you couldn't miss the adds about abortion.

The abortion adds aren't there any more, not like during KS primary vote

I'm thinking dem messaging is a matter of resources, I'm REALLY landing on that as a reasoning its not saturated in MO like it was in KS some months ago.

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
39. Then take that up with party leadership, Jaime Harrison (Chair) Chris Korge (Finance) Jason Rae
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:35 AM
Oct 2022

(secretary). Because they don't invest there. I've got proof in Florida with Dist 2 Dem Al Lawson v Rep. Neal Dunn -- The fundraising email follows reports that the DCCC isn’t fighting for Lawson.
In the North Florida duel between U.S. Reps. Neal Dunn and Al Lawson, the underdog Democrat is requesting individual contributions in the absence of national backup. WHY the hell is THAT.


We could argue all day about where the DNC's goes and won't go, and why they should. But we don't have to get all neurotic about Democrats generally when exceptions build up.

We know the DNC does election financing. We have told people here that when they don't agree with where the DNC sends money, then send money directly to the candidates they want.

When the DNC and DCSS wasn't sufficiently funding Obama, I sent my full donation directly to him, not through ActBlue, not through middlemen.

So if this is now coming up, it would be helpful to have a large thread about it, adding some historical threads about midterm issues.

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
18. I'm here in Florida. You haven't posted one scream ad, and I haven't seen them. So I disagree.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:23 PM
Oct 2022
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Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
36. That's disappointing
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:23 AM
Oct 2022

And the opposite of what the Dems are doing in MI. Every other Dem ad is about abortion rights here in the Great Lakes State.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
38. +1, I think dems have written MO off even though KS showed abortion was a game changer in KS.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 08:33 AM
Oct 2022

Sharice Davids is running on abortion rights but its not a highlight of her campaign but in MO ... nothing, like a ghost town in regards to abortion rights

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