How did people like Adam Carolla

Instead of looking to people of character and integrity for inspiration it promoted the idea of looking to people with money and power for inspiration.

although a lot of people that like his music thinks he is an idiot.

Most people that defend the shit that Kanye deos now are right wing racists.

But they're morons. They just don't have the social media popularity of Kanye. Personally think Kanye is as awful to listen to musically as he is in any other media. So he's rather easy for me to ignore completely. Same with Rogan and Adam.

Tapped into that whole meathead, "I'm tired of being PC"-thing.

There's an audience out there for that. Unfortunately.

More drivel and dreck I’ve never seen. Glad Jimmy Kimmel was able to salvage a career after that fucking travesty.

makes me cringe

It took a long time to adjust to Jimmy Kimmel as not a total asshole.

on his show, not as bad, but a tad rough. He’s been on late night tv for 20 years. I really enjoy him now.

though I tend to prefer Stephen Colbert's show. The know a lot of The Man Show was meant to be satire, but I still didn't find it funny. It was much too offensive for my taste.

Or am I just mixing them in my head because they were both douchebros in the late 90s?

but at different times.

First two hosts were Adam Corolla and Jimmy Kimmel.

They were eventually replaced by Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope.

(And Corolla had a radio show with Dr. Drew... of Celeb Rehab fame. Also a vaccine disinformation spreader.)

with Usher. I have been to over 250 concerts in my lifetime. He would rate at the bottom of the pile. I'm sorry but in my opinion you have to play and instrument or be able to sing on key to be considered a musician.

So much music today barely qualifies as music, but they compensate with flashy sets, provocative costumes, and volume (the louder the better). Often there is a lot of showy performance and choreography, but not a whole lot of actual music. Much of it seems to be designed more to be visual than auditory - with a beat of course.

Obviously, mine will not always coincide with yours, but a lot of people tend to agree with me, so I'm not "yelling at those clouds".

Meanwhile, in twenty or thirty years, we'll see what music endures and which becomes "classic". I doubt it will be Kanye West, though he probably will be remembered for being an outrageous character who supported Donald Trump.

That said, you could have just said, "Sorry I disagree with you" and maybe say what you like about the music in question. I expect some people will disagree with me and I am open to different opinions. I'm always receptive to the idea that I might be missing something. I like music today that I didn't care for years ago, so I realize that anything is possible.

There is no chance of communication, however, when you tell someone you disagree with that they are yelling at clouds. That's a shame, as it could have been an interesting discussion. Oh well.

I sincerely doubt it.

Music is defined as the art of arranging sound to create expressive content. The assertion that modern music is somehow less musical than its preceding forms is objectively incorrect. That's the entirety of the discussion.

I am not going to argue for why I enjoy Kanye West's music because I don't enjoy Kanye West's music. The reality of the matter is our musical preferences are fairly crystalized by our early twenties and I never learned to appreciate what Kanye has on offer.

But it is music.

As for the terseness of my response, consider how one sounds when they say things like "Music today barely qualifies as music", particularly where hiphop is concerned. Think about what your parents thought of your music. Hearing generation after generation spout the same close-minded codswallop without the slightest twinge of critical self-reflection is just so goddamned irritating.

and as such, I am often reluctant to criticize something new that I don't care for. I have thought about this for a long time however and have questioned my tastes on a regular basis. I make it a point to expose myself to music I don't initially care for in an effort to try and understand what others may like that I don't. Maybe if I listen to it enough, perhaps I'll hear what they do. (That HAS happened by the way)

I think my issue was with your abrupt response. And I still say it could have been an interesting discussion, but such discussions rarely start off with snarky comments about "yelling at those clouds".

As for "music", the Oxford definition:

vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.

By that definition, a lot of "music barely qualifies as music", but I suppose by some people's standards it does.

Oh well, it is Monday and perhaps I just got you on a bad day. I'm just attempting to convey to you that I am always questioning myself, so I am rarely "close-minded" and "critical self-reflection" is a part of my daily life. I certainly don't wish to make any enemies over musical tastes.

but it takes years to try to perfect an instrument or the time and practice to sing I think you should think twice about calling us old farts. My mom was a professional singer and my son is a songwriter. He has been playing for over 15 years.

Like I said I saw him in concert.

Did you?

Next question!
It took me more than an hour to learn to be good at piano & guitar.
Do you really believe that in the late 20th & early 21st century they made electronic music devices that were hard to learn how to use? Surely, you've heard the term "user friendly". The musical hardware manufacturers sure have.

Rarely has it ever been applied to electronic music equipment. Makes me think that maybe you've never used one of these things.

Every manufacturer promotes the ease of use, from recording or sequencer software to digital studio effect to electronic keyboards.
Every maker of these advertises how easy and straightforward to use.
Now, I bought musical hardware since the 70s, and it wasn't a thing then. Since the mid 89s, however, it's been a selling point with all of them.
I bought a 24 track recording console about 10 years ago. The first paragraph trumpets the ease of use.
Same with the manual of my 88 key weighted action master keyboard.
Sorry, but you're wrong if you think it hasn't been applied to musical hardware.

Why would I continue this conversation with you having established that you have never used this piece of equipment?

You are insisting that this device is simple to master because you've seen an ad for a sequencer that said "easy to use" and because you also own a microwave oven that was also advertised as "easy to use" you assumed one was just as easy to use as the other. You have no practical experience with the device, and don't seem possessed of enough self-awareness to realize that maybe you don't really know what you're talking about here.

But hey, if you really want to find yourself at the bottom of a hole, let me lend you a shovel:

I mean, just think about what you're saying for a second. A piece of electronic musical equipment is "easy to use" in the sense that that it is intuitive. I know, for example, that in order to get a sample from 120 BPM to 90 BPM, I have to detune the thing by about -5 semitones (and if I'm good at what I do, I know it'll be a few ms slow, but probably not noticeable). On an "easy to use" sampling device, the pitch adjustment function would be front and center, and not buried beneath a pile of menus.

On a piano, if I want the piece I'm playing to go from 120 bpm to 90 bpm, I play slower.

So, I guess by your rationale the piano is easier to use.

Right over your head.
Reading for comprehension is a skill. I said NOTHING about an add.
I was quoting you from the MANUALS for equipment I own. There's $30,000 of electronic hardware within 20 feet of the couch I'm sitting on. I've been to NAMM shows where ease of use was a major part of the demonstration.
And, navigating through menus is not at all difficult.
Finally, on rhythm boxes, the tempo is front & center. That's been true since Linn Drums.
Your thing about dropping semitones is nonsense. These devices allow pitch change without altering tempo & tempo change without altering pitch. Anyone with experience with then would know that. You clearly do not.
You're simply wrong about this & you should give it up.

Do you own, or have you used an Akai MPC-3000?

I'm sure I'm showing my age, but I've rarely heard of them, either. Except for the time it was Bruce Springsteen. I watched him. I saw him early on as a solo performer, he came to my brother's school (University of Vermont) and performed in the gym! And my brother invited me...

the musical guests, but decided I might be missing something, so I started watching the segment just to be sure. I've changed my mind about music numerous times in the past and didn't want to be closed-minded. I rarely last for more than a minute before I hit the fast-forward button.

I know there are still a lot of truly talented musicians out there, but unfortunately, we rarely see them in the mainstream anymore.

Which I guess isn’t as much of a problem for some people as it is for others.

Of course, Bill Cosby was also a very funny comedian.

There was this one he did about how he let his kids have cake for breakfast and how they treated him like a god that I still think about from time to time.

And I liked his TV shows.

Did not change the things he did, but he was a talented comedian.

terrible flawed. I liked the show too... the first time I remember a Black family that was educated, definitely upper middle class with kids living a good life.

to name two. I was shocked when I heard what he did. He is a terrible person, but God he was funny. I expect Kenye and others are also talented. I think some very talented people over the years were complete assholes.

(or at least was - it's been probably close to a decade since I've heard anything from him that impressed me much). But he used to be able to produce some pretty interesting soundscapes.

I've never thought that his actual rapping, or the lyrics behind them were all that great.

Kanye at his DAW, with someone like Chuck D, or Eminem at the mic would have some real potential though.

He and Dr. Drew (ugh) had a highly popular radio show Love Line in the 90s. I remember listening to it when much younger and it was something that felt like breaking the rules since it was geared towards older teens and twenty-somethings.

His popularity pretty much started there and endured as part of his audience stuck with him over the years. He's not really a major celebrity, though. Just someone who's always been in the background over time.

... Adam and Dr Drew. I liked them initially (on KROQ, MTV, or somewhere like that), but - even then - they began to cast a very bad smell. I can live without KanYe... I know people like his music, which is fine... still, I wish he and his wife and family would retire from public view.

This was before Stern went on Sirius and started annoying everybody.

He was also very anti Bush/pro choice in the 2000 election.

His first 3-4 albums were brilliant. He was arrogant, but most musicians are. He certainly didn't seem crazy.
Then his mother died and he went batshit. Pretty much since his "Imma let you finish" to Taylor Swift, he's gone downhill. Hell, he released a single about 5-6 years ago that was just him saying "Poopity scoopity" over and over.
I think SNL Weekend Update nailed it with "he's not taking his meds."

I honestly think the death of his mum sent him spiraling.

Him, Joey Diaz, Steve Crowder, and Jordan Peterson. They’re all ghouls stealing the soul away from young men.

Teamed up with Dr Drew at one point???? Back in the 90’s I think. They had a call-in show where you could ask all sorts of questions about sex, etc.

Dr Drew is full of horse 💩 by the way. A female caller asked if a woman could have a spontaneous orgasm and he said no.

Full of crap he is. Don’t ask me how I know!

...and then got his ass handed to him by the virus. This was in the early days of the alpha and delta strains which were really great at infecting the lower respiratory system. Drew got really sick and eventually to his credit went back on the news media to warn people after he recovered. But as a physician he should have known better; instead, he apparently felt that clout-chasing on Fox News was more important than being a doctor.

I remember he was on Fox a bunch, and then the world stopped hearing from him. That explains why.

I enjoyed it at the time, but both Carolla and Dr Drew have turned out to be giant douchebags. Drew is an anti-vaxxer now, I believe. And the way he turned rehab into a reality show was just gross.

as apparently I have no bottom with reality shows. Rodney King was a gem on that show, and I wish he had gotten some real help instead of Dr. Drew's help.

But of course there are many factors. IMO, it all can be explained by white male fragility and the need to cover up their deep-seated insecurities by acting as if they're entitled to control everyone else. They feel that their perspective is the only perspective that matters because they are the only "real" Americans.

Now, I’ve never found Adam Carolla to be particularly funny. He was hit and miss before all this political shit. B level at best. Now I can’t stand the sight of him.

I never liked Kanye’s music but people love that shit. He’s a huge icon in the music world. But I don’t know that anyone cares about his political opinions. That’s just him being an asshole to get attention.

Famous people have followers, that’s just something that happens.

Used to listen to the Kevin and Bean show during my morning commute to UCLA in the early to mid 90s. The first character I remember him playing was Mr. Birchum, a shop teacher. Jimmy Kimmel joined shortly after as the sports guy. This was after Michael the Maintenance Man left. Then there was Lisa May on traffic. Great show thirty years ago.

Haven't watched/listened to any of his stuff since he left KROQ.

Then realized being a right-winger was the way to easily separate fools from their money.