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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 06:28 PM

Star Member Scottie Mom (5,050 posts)

Judge says Trump knew his voter fraud numbers were false, orders ex-lawyer to give more emails to...

...Jan. 6 committee

A federal judge on Wednesday ordered lawyer John Eastman, a key figure in former President Donald Trump's challenges to the 2020 election results, to turn over 33 new documents to the House committee investigating Jan. 6, including a number the judge found are exempt from attorney-client privilege because they relate to a crime or attempted crime.

In his order, Judge David Carter found Eastman should hand over eight documents under the "crime-fraud exception" to attorney-client and attorney work privileges.

According to the judge, Eastman said in one of the email exchanges that Trump was aware that the number of voter fraud cases his team was alleging in a federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Georgia was "inaccurate." But, the judge said, Trump signed off on the suit, "swearing under oath" that the numbers were correct, anyway.

MORE....[link:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-says-trump-knew-voter-fraud-numbers-false-orders-ex-lawyer-give-rcna53047|

Holy shit...this may be the end game. I certainly hope so!!!!! So nice this came in before the Mid-terms!

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Reply Judge says Trump knew his voter fraud numbers were false, orders ex-lawyer to give more emails to... (Original post)
 Scottie Mom Oct 2022 OP
LineReply I am SO sorry to do this......
 MyOwnPeace Oct 2022 #1
LineLineReply Well, it is the end of Eastman's legal career.
 Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #4
LineLineLineNew Reply And I'm SO hoping all of this does play out......
 MyOwnPeace Oct 2022 #6
LineLineLineNew Reply Might as well dredge back to all his lawyers.
 dixiegrrrrl Oct 2022 #14
LineLineNew Reply +1
 Takket Oct 2022 #13
LineReply 8 little words from an MSNBC article: they are evidence of criminal conduct by Trump
 usonian Oct 2022 #2
LineReply K&R
 UTUSN Oct 2022 #3
LineReply The end is coming sooner than many think
 malaise Oct 2022 #5
LineLineNew Reply In my dreams, I see tRump perp walked!
 Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #7
LineLineLineNew Reply Yes that's a huge deal
 malaise Oct 2022 #8
LineLineLineLineNew Reply I agree. I only hope it is before the mid-terms.
 Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #9
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I'd love that but I think it's probably after
 malaise Oct 2022 #11
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Boy, my DU Friend...you speak the truth.
 Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #12
LineNew Reply Bring it Mr. Garland
 Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #10
LineNew Reply This, in the immortal words of the real President, is a BFD
 Hekate Oct 2022 #15

Response to Scottie Mom (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2022, 06:48 PM

Star Member MyOwnPeace (16,186 posts)

1. I am SO sorry to do this......

but I've got to say - I am TIRED of all of these rulings/filings/comments/revelations/interviews/etc. being the "END GAME."
Seriously, NO OFFENSE - we've been carrying these hopes for the past bunch of years.......

SHOW ME CHARGES!!!!!!!
SHOW ME CHARGES!!!!!!!
SHOW ME CHARGES!!!!!!!

and then

LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:07 PM

Star Member Scottie Mom (5,050 posts)

4. Well, it is the end of Eastman's legal career.

He will be disbarred -- he knowingly participated in a crime, or at a minimum, an election fraud.

IMO, the ruling by Judge Carter is the beginning of the end. Any atty involved with the knowing misrepresentations as to the alleged "voter fraud" that took 2020 away from tRump and, further, who is an atty, is in deep shit. Someone, IMO, to save his/her ticket is going to tell all. I don't think it will work with most state bars, but a Hail Mary with charges like this? Someone will try.

It may not be the very end, but it sure is the beginning IMO when a Federal judge uses the "crime-fraud" exception. That means that the lawyer AND the client were involved in order to find that exception to the atty-client privilege.

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:29 PM

Star Member MyOwnPeace (16,186 posts)

6. And I'm SO hoping all of this does play out......

TRULY - we need it to be OVER!

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 09:24 PM

dixiegrrrrl (60,003 posts)

14. Might as well dredge back to all his lawyers.


The kracken female and all his lawyers who were involved in NY aspect of vote plus god knows how many of his lawyers before then.
Curtains for Rudy, who is being sued by several entities, including Georgia.

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 08:57 PM

Star Member Takket (18,714 posts)

13. +1

i've been hearing drumpf is doomed since the russia investigation started.

i'm pretty much willing to wait until after the election on the belief garland might be waiting (despite the fact that is incredibly misguided), but if we don't have an arrest and indictment within a week that will signal to me it is for sure never coming

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 06:56 PM

Star Member usonian (4,244 posts)

2. 8 little words from an MSNBC article: they are evidence of criminal conduct by Trump

https://democraticunderground.com/100217267500

Precedent has been set.

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:05 PM

Star Member UTUSN (67,208 posts)

3. K&R

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:09 PM

Star Member malaise (254,359 posts)

5. The end is coming sooner than many think

Eff this criminal. That is all.

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:30 PM

Star Member Scottie Mom (5,050 posts)

7. In my dreams, I see tRump perp walked!

Gads, I am hoping this is on the news for real very sooooooooooon!!!!!

IMO, the finding by Judge Carter is a big deal, at least to me. It seems like the first time, and for sure, a judge has said that there was a crime committed and tRump was knowingly involved.

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:33 PM

Star Member malaise (254,359 posts)

8. Yes that's a huge deal

He is going to be indicted

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:42 PM

Star Member Scottie Mom (5,050 posts)

9. I agree. I only hope it is before the mid-terms.

Abrogation of the atty-client privilege is a huge deal when a Judge says it's gone because of the crime-fraud exception. The atty-client privilege in the legal world is like the first of the 10 Commandments for a lawyer -- protect it at all times and for all reasons. For a judge to make findings that the privilege does not apply because of the crime-fraud exception means that he/she found that the atty AND the client were both knowingly involved in the commission of a crime and/or a fraud.

I rarely post...I read much more on the DU...but when I saw that finding by Judge Carter...my eyes got saucer wide! Carter was head of the criminal division in the Orange County (Calif) Superior court before he was appointed to the federal bench. Carter reformed the entire OCSC crim division. He is not only mega experienced, he is mega respected. He is a great judge. If Atticus Finch had become a judge...he would be Judge David Carter.

Edit for typo

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:47 PM

Star Member malaise (254,359 posts)

11. I'd love that but I think it's probably after

but before Thanksgiving or Christmas.
I just want him gone.

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:48 PM

Star Member Scottie Mom (5,050 posts)

12. Boy, my DU Friend...you speak the truth.

I just want the SOB gone, gone, gone. Not merely going....but GONE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 07:46 PM

Star Member Evolve Dammit (14,162 posts)

10. Bring it Mr. Garland

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Wed Oct 19, 2022, 10:31 PM

Star Member Hekate (82,747 posts)

15. This, in the immortal words of the real President, is a BFD

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