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Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:23 PM

I call straight out bullshit on the national poll that MSNBC/Steve Kornacki just posted

35% of all Americans are most concerned about the economy and inflation ... which favors republicans by
something like 65% of who can handle those problems the best

But only 9% see abortion as their top issue.

Look I am nuttier than a squirrel turd and dumber then a bag of mulch but I don't buy those #s for 1 second.

People please pay no attention to these polls because I think they are being manipulated by the PTB and to
make it seem like the republicans got this in the bag.

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Reply I call straight out bullshit on the national poll that MSNBC/Steve Kornacki just posted (Original post)
Botany Oct 2022 OP
budkin Oct 2022 #1
BComplex Oct 2022 #103
Elessar Zappa Oct 2022 #2
SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #70
kimbutgar Oct 2022 #3
SoBlueInFL Oct 2022 #9
triron Oct 2022 #13
SoBlueInFL Oct 2022 #48
forthemiddle Oct 2022 #43
whathehell Oct 2022 #55
Lovie777 Oct 2022 #33
bdamomma Oct 2022 #40
The Wizard Oct 2022 #45
SharonAnn Oct 2022 #53
Meadowoak Oct 2022 #4
Bev54 Oct 2022 #5
sop Oct 2022 #12
Paladin Oct 2022 #23
LisaM Oct 2022 #47
OMGWTF Oct 2022 #63
Rebl2 Oct 2022 #64
certainot Oct 2022 #83
LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #76
onecaliberal Oct 2022 #6
Eyeball_Kid Oct 2022 #49
SamKnause Oct 2022 #7
JudyM Oct 2022 #8
Probatim Oct 2022 #10
NoMoreRepugs Oct 2022 #11
nycbos Oct 2022 #14
Botany Oct 2022 #16
nycbos Oct 2022 #20
Sympthsical Oct 2022 #29
Treefrog Oct 2022 #94
druidity33 Oct 2022 #104
OtterDave Oct 2022 #18
sarisataka Oct 2022 #26
Quakerfriend Oct 2022 #15
Blue Owl Oct 2022 #17
Botany Oct 2022 #21
iemanja Oct 2022 #37
Bluethroughu Oct 2022 #19
Takket Oct 2022 #22
rwheeler31 Oct 2022 #24
karynnj Oct 2022 #25
BlackSkimmer Oct 2022 #27
helpisontheway Oct 2022 #28
BlackSkimmer Oct 2022 #71
Sympthsical Oct 2022 #35
LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #58
BlackSkimmer Oct 2022 #72
LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #108
Rebl2 Oct 2022 #68
Silent3 Oct 2022 #30
Prairie_Seagull Oct 2022 #31
Emile Oct 2022 #32
brush Oct 2022 #34
iemanja Oct 2022 #36
Fiendish Thingy Oct 2022 #38
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housecat Oct 2022 #41
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brooklynite Oct 2022 #44
grantcart Oct 2022 #61
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The Wizard Oct 2022 #50
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iemanja Oct 2022 #84
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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:24 PM

1. Yep, total bullshit

No question about it.

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Response to budkin (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:01 AM

103. DANGEROUS bullshit, at that. When republicans are swept out of office across the country, all we are

going to hear is "see! It was stolen!!" and then out come all the AK-47's.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:24 PM

2. Yeah, I don't buy it.

I’ll buy that inflation is the top issue but abortion at 9%? No way.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:28 PM

70. The numbers for abortion in all polls have been between 5% and 8%

for the past two months. I've been harping on this for a while now (check my posts). More people care about food and gas prices than abortion. You may not like it, but that is reality, and we need to address this in the last two weeks.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:25 PM

3. I just what to know WTF are republicans going to do to ease inflation ?

Tax cuts for the rich? I have not heard one repukes articulate what they are going to do to ease inflation.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:29 PM

9. I want to know why they are so damned concerned about inflation but r/o

totally o.k. with Republicans taking away Medicare and Social Security. Do they really think that they can survive without them?

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Response to SoBlueInFL (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:33 PM

13. How about democracy?

Thats why we can't keep it.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:43 PM

48. I really don't think that they want a democratic country. r/o

These people are very into groupthink. They prefer to be told what to do and think. They score high in their preference for an authoritarian leader and living in an autocracy--as long as the dictator holds the same views as they do. They don't stop to think that the next dictator might be left wing. They don't understand that dictators of any stripe are bad.

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Response to SoBlueInFL (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:36 PM

43. They think we are crying wolf.

We have been saying that Republicans are going to cut SS and Medicare for the last 20 years, and now that they really intend too, most people just think it is political rhetoric .
It’s kind of them saying “they want to take away your guns”. Nobody really believes it anymore.
Unfortunately, this time it is probably as true as the Roe argument.
They also know that for at least the next two years, Biden still has the Veto pen,and those benefits are safe.

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Response to SoBlueInFL (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:52 PM

55. Exactly..They're worried about the economy but not

Repub plans to cut Social Security and Medicare??..In what world does make sense?

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:00 PM

33. More tax cuts for the rich......

chopping block for SS, SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, Snap, Monetary Assistance - Welfare, et al, and probably raise taxes on the milddle class and poor.

And seniors will have to work until they drop dead.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:24 PM

40. No they

are all for tax cuts for their donor class, and taking away rights from the working class, they just DO NOT CARE. They are telling us they are going after medicare, social security, they want to fleece us.


VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:39 PM

45. More accurately,

the donor class is really the bribing class.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:50 PM

53. They cause it. They don't solve it.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:25 PM

4. exactly. Just vote, we got this!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:25 PM

5. Every time they talk about polls I turn them off. Not interested in listening anymore

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:33 PM

12. And every time Kornacki comes on, I change the channel.

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Response to sop (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:47 PM

23. As do I.

I will continue to do so---even if he acquires a new pair of khaki pants.

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Response to sop (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:42 PM

47. Me too.

It bugged me no end when he started doing sports shows too.

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Response to sop (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:02 PM

63. He's starting to remind me of that other nutjob Jim Cramer.

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Response to sop (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:07 PM

64. Same here

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Response to sop (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:20 PM

83. they're pushing a kornacki podcast about the 1994 election and sounds like he's touting gingrich and

i'll bet he doesn't mention limbaugh and 1500 unified radio stations that made gingrich and rove famous and was the real reason they won, ALEC finally hit gold after years struggling, and the record partisanship started

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:46 PM

76. REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:26 PM

6. They're trying to depress our vote.

Head down, tv off. Vote. Donate. Call.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:44 PM

49. Those Dems who are defiance-based will commit more strongly to vote Dem.

Rather than get discouraged, pissed off Dems will hop on one leg to get to the polls.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:28 PM

7. They are doing it on purpose.

Then they can give all the nutjobs a platform to say the election was stolen.

Fuck the country, it's good for the ratings.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:28 PM

8. "nuttier than a squirrel turd"

going to have to borrow that but it’s the last thing I’d say about you. Many public examples among GQPers, though, too many to even count.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:30 PM

10. I've gotten a few polls using Qualtrics recently and the only "issues" question has a long

list of potential responses - abortion has been near the bottom of the list in all of them. They lead with crime, inflation, and the economy. Some/most respondents won't scroll down to see anything past the top 5.

In two of them, the republican candidate is listed while the "democrat" candidate is listed as "democrat" candidate. Plenty of opportunities to rate Biden, trunt, our outgoing governor, departing senator, and republican candidate, but not the democratic choice.

They've been shameless in their bias.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:31 PM

11. Narratives are driven by the rich and powerful. Not facts n truth.

Inflation panic favors RePutinicans…. reality favors Democrats. Half of the inflation number is increased pricing to maintain or increase corp profitability
- more RePutinicans in Congress means no corp tax increases and less oversight. It’s not rocket science - it’s f’en GREED.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:34 PM

14. On what basis?

We shouldn't have a defeatist attitude for obvious reasons but that doesn't mean we should ignore reality either.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:38 PM

16. Because that poll does not reflect reality

>70% of Americans favor a women's right to choose and Joe Biden has done an awesome job
on the economy. Best job #s in 60+ years and real wages across the country have been going
up too.

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Response to Botany (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:40 PM

20. Indeed.

But polls have shown that most Americans think the economy lost jobs to my understanding. One time only 24% of Americans knew the infrastructure bill passed. And given unfortunately our car centric society who thinks that investing in public transportation somehow violates their "freedom" might give up their rights if they think it might save a penny at the gas tank.



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Response to Botany (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:57 PM

29. How do you know what reality looks like?

We have many different polls from different places over the last several weeks that place abortion below economic issues by a very large margin. So your explanation is that alllllll these polling outfits are conspiring together for the benefit of the Republican party. You're saying you know what the reality of American voters truly is.

Ok, so two questions.

How does this conspiracy work? I mean, nuts and bolts. You're claiming it, so I'd like some proof. Do we have evidence that more than half a dozen polling outfits, including major newspapers and cable news channels, are falsifying their numbers intentionally for a political outcome?

What empirical evidence do you have that your perception is reality and all these people are lying?

Remember reality-based community? It was a point of pride. "I don't like this, so it's a conspiracy," doesn't fit well with that ethos, IMO.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 06:35 PM

94. Well stated.

 

+1

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:27 AM

104. I'm not really seeing this...

"We have many different polls from different places over the last several weeks". I've seen a couple of "reputable" polls with decent sample sizes. One was a Politico poll and the other WaPo. Both showed a near comparable priority in the economy and abortion. Honestly i think polling in this day and age has so many catastrophic fails that it's hard to imagine ANY poll being more than a snapshot of a disparate group of people. Even the 538 aggregate numbers can be utterly wrong (at the end, when all is said and done.)



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Response to nycbos (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:39 PM

18. People only believe poll results they agree with

 

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Response to nycbos (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:49 PM

26. The usual basis we know when a poll is wrong,

We don't like it.

There is another thread on a CNN poll showing Democratic candidates leading. Suddenly the usually maligned CNN polling is without criticism.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:35 PM

15. I agree. The polls are total nonsense!!

Of all the women I’ve ever known- friends, roommates, family- ~50% have had abortions & some have had more than one- And, these are just those who felt comfortable enough to let it be known- no way that this is NOT a top concern for ALL women of this country- including the few remaining somewhat sane Republicans!

And, btw, I was polled for the very first time!
It came in via text!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:39 PM

17. Yup, put the propaganda ABCNNBCBS channels on mute and go about your voting

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:43 PM

21. Only 9% of Americans see access to health care for women as an important issue?

And Kim Jong Il was a great golfer too.

The greatest golfer in history is gone.

North Korean dictator/superstar golfer Kim Jong-Il has died at 69 -- a fitting age, because 69 is under par on every regulation golf course.

Kim Jong-Il
Associated Press
Kim Jong-Il never needed a swing coach to master the sport of golf.

Kim shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media. This was in 1994, when Kim was 52 years old. Even more impressive, Kim stood just 5-foot-3, yet he was able to overpower a course as long as any ever played in major championship history. Who knows how good Kim could have been if he had taken up the sport earlier? Who knows how many times he bested 38 under in the 17 years since his first round?

What we do know is that no matter how many more majors Tiger Woods does or doesn't win, the debate of Tiger vs. Jack is really an argument about who is the second-best golfer in history.

More than his undisputed greatness on the course, it's probably Kim's simple approach to the game that will be his enduring legacy. While other great golfers have written books full of tips, tricks and swing thoughts, Kim had the best approach to conquering the sport of golf: Have your national propaganda department lie for you.

http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/index/_/id/7369649

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Response to Botany (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:14 PM

37. Not as an important issue

as the most important issue.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:40 PM

19. Nope, just vote!

Get voting and be winning!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:46 PM

22. My mother said yesterday

She cannot understand anyone voting on inflation. “Inflation comes and goes but abortion rights effects your entire lifetime”.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:48 PM

24. They combined two questions on the economy

for clarity? BS they did it to show more GOP momentum.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:48 PM

25. I think there is a problem with the question. Consider answering it yourself

Also consider it might be affected by earlier questions. The fact is most people care about of mix of things. It may well be that someone who is very concerned with the cost of living and reproductive rights.

In reality, the cost of living will likely be the same in 2023 no matter who controls the senate. Inflation is a worldwide problem. However, reproductive rights can change enormously depending on who controls Congress AND the presidency. Who wins Senate seats NOW is important because otherwise everything rests on a presidential veto. If we go into the 2004 having lost one or more seats, it makes it harder to win the majority in 2024.

Biden did amazing things with the narrowest of margins in both Houses. But, if the Republicans take the majority in either, he may be able to do almost nothing.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:52 PM

27. I disagree. People are very concerned about the economy.

I'm in a position where I really don't have to worry too much about money, but I'm shocked at prices in the store. I can't imagine being on a fixed income or raising a family on a small income.

As an older woman, I'm also worried about crime. I read a post here the other day where someone said crime was decreasing. Certainly not so in the biggest metro area near me. Violent crime and property crime is up. Even my small town has more murders than last year...all committed by the same children with guns and grudges.

We ignore these factors at our own peril

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:55 PM

28. You can be worried about those issues but how do you think Republicans will fix it?

So concerned people should vote for the opposite party that is not offering any solutions. The same party that always screws everything up so democrats can later fix it?

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:31 PM

71. Did I say that? Nope, I didn't. I've already voted, as a Democrat, as I have since I could first

vote. But many aren't life-long Democrats.

The OP seems to think that the economy is not top of people's minds. I'm afraid it is.

I simply disagreed with that assumption.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:06 PM

35. Same

I just don't know how people are affording the price increases. I remember what barely eking by was like. My groceries are up as much as 30-50% depending on what it is. (WTF has happened to chicken and coffee?!)

Crime has been ticking up where I live as well over the past two years. Mainly property crime, but there have been some violent drug-related incidents happening when they never had in the area before. My neighborhood was so furious about it, they used their clout (affluent NIMBYs) to have a new police substation installed down the street.

All you need are enough pissed off suburbanites to swing an election. How many times in how many different instances have we seen that suburbanites will win or lose an election for us? Economically squeeze them, have crime spread outward into their enclaves, and blend in some school board issues with Covid and other things, and it's a turbulent stew.

I think people in online political spaces mistake opinions for caring. A post above said 70% of Americans are pro-choice in some way. And that is probably true. But that's an opinion. Their level of caring about it is going to vary widely. And we're seeing in poll after poll that prioritizing the economy rises above abortion.

Hell, I have an opinion about a lot of things if someone actively asks me about it. Doesn't mean I care enough to do anything about it.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:56 PM

58. Yes people are definitely concerned and upset about the economy but it

boils down to-- do people think voting for Repubs really change anything? I know a lot of low info voters will reflexively think they just need to change parties and that's where it really hurts us even though electing Repubs will be catastrophic.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:33 PM

72. You nailed it.

If they do think that, then we're in big trouble.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #72)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:55 PM

108. Thanks! I saw someone point out yesterday that abortion is an economic issue too.

so a lot of things are jumbled together in that inflation/economic message.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:25 PM

68. My top

concerns are republicans getting in control and doing away with social security, Medicare and Medicaid. The will permanently get rid of Roe v.Wade. They will make the economy even worse than it is. They will cut off money to Ukraine. The rich will get richer and we peon’s will suffer greatly. They will praise Putin every day and I could go on and on.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:59 PM

30. You terribly overestimate the intelligence of the average voter...

...and have unjustified conspiratorial thinking about polls. Polls definitely have accuracy problems, but you don't understand the incentives of most pollsters and how faking poll results that turn out to be inaccurate is against their best interests.

You also assume incorrectly that unfavorable polls are a reliable way to discourage voter turnout. They aren't.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:59 PM

31. In general, If I have learned anything

in my 35 years of marriage, raising 2 wonderful university educated daughters, it is that they may argue their point at first but when in disagreement with me or others they will let it go and then hand me or others our hats at a later point. All three have their own way but my guess is that you should not put weight on these polls. imo, the pink wave will be real and huge.

Of course I am horrified by the Dobbs decision.

When Dobbs was announced people made their voices heard. now is just the calm before the storm of hats.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:59 PM

32. Prove the polls wrong, GOTV

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:06 PM

34. Agreed. As soon as Kornacki comes on, I switch channels as he seems...

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to relish hyping polls and info that favors republicans.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:13 PM

36. It doesn't mean they don't care about abortion rights

Rather they don't rank it was their number one choice. 35% ranking inflation number one isn't very high.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:18 PM

38. Actually, I'm not that surprised that 35% of voters prioritize inflation over democracy. Nt

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:19 PM

39. No polls for me

it's just Magats and their sick propaganda. Our media should be ashamed of themselves. Not being truthful with Americans.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:32 PM

41. Agreed. Too bad Kornacki is the messenger

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:33 PM

42. I'm with you. If people aren't angry and show up then shame on us. After all Dems and Biden did over

past 2 years hard to imagine Dems are in trouble.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:36 PM

44. Then you're calling BS on the DNC as well.

Their internal polling said the same thing when they briefed me. Reproductive rights has risen since May, but the economy/cost of living was and is the top issue.

Here's a lesson I learned early on in politics: never assume that the average voter thinks about issues the same way you do.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:59 PM

61. Agree


Voters in deep blue states may not rank abortion rights as a big personal concern because they assume their state is safe.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #61)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:56 PM

79. Agree.

Bread $5.50, milk $4.50, 1 russet $.99

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Response to quaint (Reply #79)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:53 PM

86. Gas is $ 6.50 in CA

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Response to grantcart (Reply #86)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:37 PM

90. I forgot to mention that rage-maker.

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Response to quaint (Reply #79)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 11:10 PM

101. Where I live Milk is $2.82 and Bread ranges from $1.79-2.99

The only bread that is $5 is the Keto friendly bread.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:41 PM

46. Watching Koracki is like watching a red squirrel who got into the Red Bull. Can't take it.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:45 PM

50. How many polls

indicate the country is going in the right direction? Talk about a question with a predetermined outcome.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:49 PM

51. I have no stats or evidence, but I turned him off.

My first thought was "You sir, are full of shit."

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:51 PM

77. Me too

Useless waste of air time

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:49 PM

52. Sounds like a push poll result. They wanted the answer they got.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:50 PM

54. National polls don't mean much

Especially during midterms.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:55 PM

56. Do you have a link to the poll?

What's the margin of error? How many people were polled? How did they estimate likely voters?

All polls are not equal and media polls frequently push an agenda.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #56)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:35 PM

73. I always want to know what the questions were

...exactly, because how a question is worded makes an enormous difference in terms of what answers they get.

For example, last few times I answered a polling call, the questions and possible answers (multiple choice) were pretty obvious as to what answers they wanted to get.

Plus, polls are generally of people who pick up their land lines or answer their cell phone if they don't know who is on the other end. That isn't a huge group.

And to those who will declare that the polls are utterly and 100% representative and oh so accurate...yeah, sure, whatever.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #73)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 10:31 PM

100. Pollsters use a variety of methods to acquire respondents

 

You do realize that pollsters know how to use voice mail and texts...Right? Those methods are quite effective at getting through to even the most aggressive phone screeners.

Pollsters know that, and use it to their advantage. In fact, just today, a text message is precisely how a major pollster made that crucial initial contact with me, and I'm probably the most aggressive phone screener of them all.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:56 PM

57. polling is worthless.

We don't answer the phone. They are only getting a very narrow demographic.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:56 PM

59. Just because abortion only had 9% does not mean that it will not

come back and bite Republicans on their ass.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:58 PM

60. Anyone have a link to this poll?

35% putting the economy/inflation top is not at all surprising. That 65% think the Republicans handle that better is depressing - that must include many Democratic voters too. 9% putting abortion as their top issue? Well, probably 8 or 9% more than last time. And 8 or 9% more than said "climate change".

It's good for people to know that their own priorities aren't shared by everyone.

Who are you saying manipulated what organisation, and how? Are you saying Kornacki is lying and the poll doesn't say that, or the polling company is corrupt and is lying, or got hacked, or what? This is one reason a link would help make your case sound a little more credible.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:00 PM

62. Inflation

No wonder people have the importance of inflation inflated in their tiny heads. It's non-stop Inflation Day on the TV. Pundits and "news" people. Inflation, inflation, INFLATION. No one seems to care that people have jobs. How many people honestly can't afford milk? Yes, things cost more. I'll live.

The price of gas gets artificially inflated by the oil companies. That really does get ridiculous, but if you don't own a business that requires trucks, it's not the major disaster some would have us believe. It's just really impressive numbers to "report." Where is the news that people who want to manipulate election outcomes are running for important offices? Should that matter to anyone? It hardly gets noticed, and when it does, it's only MSNBC.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #62)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:47 PM

85. If only the media didn't mention it, people would have no idea everything was more expensive

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Response to MichMan (Reply #85)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 07:16 PM

97. No, they would notice

They wouldn't think it was the most important thing going on in this country.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #97)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 09:23 PM

99. Do you base your priorities on what the media tells you ?

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Response to MichMan (Reply #99)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 03:22 PM

109. If people hear something over and over, with every news report

They can't help but feel it's important.

Inflation is important, but so many other things they don't get around to mentioning are, too. Listening to them you'd think our inflation was the worst in the world and was driving huge numbers of people out of business and/or into bankruptcy.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:10 PM

65. We need someone to scold us for accusing CNN of favoring Republicans

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:13 PM

66. Majority of people in USA are Independents

The poll seemed to ignore the largest segment of voting population.

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Response to nowforever (Reply #66)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:38 PM

75. Can you link to the poll, please?

No-one else has, so far, and you know more details than are in the OP, so I guess you've seen it.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:20 PM

67. It all depends on how they ask the question...

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2022/10/23/iowa-poll-abortion-laws-fetal-heartbeat-ban-roe-v-wade/69563125007/

And that's Iowa.

I think a lot of Republicans will experience a Kansas-sized surprise on November 8th.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:27 PM

69. I'm not a fan of Steve Kornacki

What drives me nuts is his constant windmill arms and extending his arm directly across whatever the graphics are that he's describing, and you CAN'T SEE the graphics while he's pointing and waving and then even standing in front of them.

That's another thing I'd tackle if I were ever in charge at MSNBC.

1) Chuck Todd: gone.

2) Andrea Mitchell: gone.

3) Steve Kornacki: dude, do I have to tie your arms to your sides when you do a standup in front of a display board with the statistics you're explaining? I don't want to see windmills and train-track arms and the nonstop in-'n'-out hand jabs that constantly block what the number board actually shows. Or, maybe we do a split-screen showing the graphics separately SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THEM while he's describing them, and his hands and arms aren't flapping and flying around in the way. He just drives me freakin' NUTS.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:36 PM

74. Well, it scares me a bit.

The voter enthusiasm numbers are what scares me.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:51 PM

78. National polls aren't good enough, because that is not how elections are run in this country. You

have to go state by state, and evaluate each state separately

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:07 PM

80. They're gonna be shocked, shocked,I tell you!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:09 PM

81. People are most concerned about inflation, food and rent costs are killing them

and sometimes they have to choose between eating and rent. You bet your ass they're mostly concerned about that.

Where I call bullshit is that they think Republicans will do something about it. America needs a raise, a big one, and it's not coming from those stingy bastards. They cut taxes on the richest and to hell with the rest of us.

Of course some of it is being manipulated. Most of it is genuine and totally predicted by anyone who has ever paid attention to what the economy actually does in times of stress. We;ve just come out of a pandemic and are supplying someone fighting a big war. Of course there's inflation and it's worldwide.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:14 PM

82. Sorry, but the poll is correct. Have to face reality.

Abortion is not a top issue, it peaked after Roe was overturned. Voters, especially swing voters, care about what affects them directly in their minds.

The VAST majority do not think abortion will affect them or theirs. Their thinking is they would not have an unwanted pregnancy, and if they did, they can afford to go somewhere, have the procedure, and no one would be the wiser.

The fact is the economy and inflation is the top issue, by far. The stupidity is voters thinking Republicans have any clue or plans do change it. They never have and never will.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #82)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:07 PM

87. I do not believe it. Abortion is the top issue and I expect you will proven wrong two weeks from

tomorrow...and just how do you know the poll is correct?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #87)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:45 PM

92. No, I am afraid abortion is not the top issue.

 

It just isn't.

I will be happy to bookmark this thread however, and I will be very happy to tell you that you were correct.

But I'm afraid not.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #82)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 11:49 PM

102. And there is no better way to depress the democratic vote than to tell them they are

not in danger. We should be screaming danger Danger DANGER at the rooftops. Vote vote vote. In 2004 exit polls the day of the election had Kerry way ahead of Bush by two PM. It deoressed the Democratic vote for the rest of the day. My guess it was harried democrats coming home at the end if the day, juggling kids, dinner and voting and hearing John Kerry was way out ahead they didn't need to vote. EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE. DANGER DANGER DANGER Republican House ahead.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:21 PM

84. Nicole just showed that or a similar poll

That had abortion had 9%. The number one selection was threats to democracy. Of course that means different things for Democrats and Republicans. The economy and jobs were in second place.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #84)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:08 PM

88. That is the same poll...it will be shown on MSNBC over and over. I don't bother to watch when they

start this crap. I expect Joy will not accept it at face value. She has already said she doesn't believe polls.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #88)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:41 PM

91. Only it didn't have inflation at 35%. The economy was something like 17%.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:10 PM

89. Yeah.. but the reality is people have direct personal effect from inflation, interest rates..

401K values, etc. The abortion ruling doesnt directly effect most people. However I find it hard to believe only 9% are concerned about abortion. Maybe its been too long and people have forgotten about it. Its maddening.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:49 PM

93. I wouldn't personally call abortion my top issue either

More focused on retirement and overall healthcare. My #1 issue is inflation, followed by the social security and Medicare. I’m kinda surprised inflation/economy is only 35% actually.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 06:37 PM

95. 9% is LAUGHABLE

NO WAY.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 07:42 PM

98. OK that they care about economy & inflation. That they somehow magically think REPUBLICANS ...

...are going to fix it?



Crashing the economy to force cuts in social security & medicare, banning abortion, lgbtq rights, and contraception IS NOT going to help the economy OR inflation. QUITE the contrary.

How FUCKING STUPID are these people?!

EDIT: WITHOUT A DEMOCRACY EVERYTHING WILL BE WORSE. MUCH WORSE. Because our RULERS will have ZERO accountability to voters. NONE. And this country will be screwed top to bottom (except the billionaires) backwards and front. DESTROYED.

Again: How FUCKING STUPID are these people?!

(I'm related to some of them - they are BLIND and DEAF to facts, reason, or empathy for ANYBODY but themselves). And they're stone STUPID.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:23 AM

105. I'm confused:

How does this sentence:

“35% of all Americans are most concerned about the economy and inflation ”

Equate to Republicans are favored to win?

First off, if 35% of Americans are most worried about economy and inflation, that means 65% don’t rank those as their biggest concern. Or am I missing something?

Women are going to be worried about their right to bodily autonomy. It is directly tied to her personal economic and financial well-being.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:08 PM

106. Not watching the news here...

...until election day. Except for Rachel.

Spending the next two weeks quietly encouraging everyone I know who will vote BLUE to do just that!!

All the hyperventilation is just too much

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:26 PM

107. I think people just say the first thing

that comes to mind without giving the question much thought at all.

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