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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:56 PM

albacore (2,065 posts)

I think we SHOULD negotiate with the Russians.

Sit down across the table and calmly explain our "last and final offer".

1) Get out of Ukraine and stop shelling Ukraine cities.

Once that stops... once they are out... we can sit down again and discuss their actions to allow them back into the community of nations.

We don't need to make threats. The sanctions are crippling them, the whole continent is united against them (for now). And we can wait them out... might as well settle sooner rather than later.

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I think we SHOULD negotiate with the Russians. (Original post)	albacore	Oct 2022	OP
We don't negotiate with terrorists.	SheltieLover	Oct 2022	#1
Then why are we negotiating over Brittney Griner?	former9thward	Oct 2022	#13
Do you really believe pootin's invasion of Ukraine & Griner's imprisonment	SheltieLover	Oct 2022	#14
It was you who said "we don't negotiate with terrorists"	former9thward	Oct 2022	#16
We do not negotiate with terrorists.	SheltieLover	Oct 2022	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	Jack the Greater	Oct 2022	#20
Good question. nt	BlackSkimmer	Oct 2022	#22
Never negotiate with terrorists..secondly, putler just said he's willing to commit 10-20 million men	PortTack	Oct 2022	#2
You think he will find 10-20 million men willing to	louis-t	Oct 2022	#3
No not al all..that was one of my points.	PortTack	Oct 2022	#23
He wants Ukraine's neon, critical for chip mfg.	SheltieLover	Oct 2022	#17
The US has been negotiating with putin over	Ilsa	Oct 2022	#4
This will last for years.	WarGamer	Oct 2022	#5
Unconditional Retreat or Surrender.	WheelWalker	Oct 2022	#6
You can call it negotiation if you want, but yeah, pull back to the borders of 2013	dutch777	Oct 2022	#12
Or else... what?	Jack the Greater	Oct 2022	#21
That is not asking nearly enough of Russia	HariSeldon	Oct 2022	#7
Don't hold your breath.	WarGamer	Oct 2022	#8
How Many People Have Been Killed/Brutialized Since THe Start Of His War Of Choice	Me.	Oct 2022	#9
Nope	PJMcK	Oct 2022	#10
Sorry but there is the subject of war crimes, Putin and his military need	Bev54	Oct 2022	#11
No discussion without Ukraine at the table.	tirebiter	Oct 2022	#15
This is correct. The war is between Russia and Ukraine, not the US and Russia.	panader0	Oct 2022	#19

Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:58 PM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

1. We don't negotiate with terrorists.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:23 PM

former9thward (28,553 posts)

13. Then why are we negotiating over Brittney Griner?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:25 PM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

14. Do you really believe pootin's invasion of Ukraine & Griner's imprisonment

Are in the same league?

She is an American citizen.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:28 PM

former9thward (28,553 posts)

16. It was you who said "we don't negotiate with terrorists"

So is it, we don't negotiate with terrorists except if it is an American citizen?

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:30 PM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

18. We do not negotiate with terrorists.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 26, 2022, 07:51 AM

BlackSkimmer (49,130 posts)

22. Good question. nt

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:01 PM

PortTack (29,140 posts)

2. Never negotiate with terrorists..secondly, putler just said he's willing to commit 10-20 million men

To his goal of taking Ukraine…you really think he wants to negotiate?

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Response to PortTack (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:12 PM

louis-t (22,418 posts)

3. You think he will find 10-20 million men willing to

die for his dream of putting the band back together?

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Wed Oct 26, 2022, 11:02 AM

PortTack (29,140 posts)

23. No not al all..that was one of my points.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:28 PM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

17. He wants Ukraine's neon, critical for chip mfg.

So, no.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:14 PM

Ilsa (60,895 posts)

4. The US has been negotiating with putin over

Whelan, Griner, etc. Putin doesn't want to negotiate over anything.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:15 PM

WarGamer (8,299 posts)

5. This will last for years.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:15 PM

WheelWalker (8,513 posts)

6. Unconditional Retreat or Surrender.

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:05 PM

dutch777 (1,956 posts)

12. You can call it negotiation if you want, but yeah, pull back to the borders of 2013

I doubt Putin can go that far politically/internally so therein lies the rub, whether it is the Ukraine military that pushes that far on their own or Russians/Putin falling apart on their own, it will be problematic in any case. I really don't see a clean end to this, sadly. Much needless suffering and decades of rebuilding and everyone involved weakened and crippled. Not to mention the collateral damage to many beyond RU and Ukraine.

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Wed Oct 26, 2022, 12:49 AM

Jack the Greater (464 posts)

21. Or else... what?

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:17 PM

HariSeldon (363 posts)

7. That is not asking nearly enough of Russia

Ukraine needs territory well within 80km of Moscow and, ideally, of Minsk (though that is not Russian territory). In lieu of Belarusian territory, a 100km wide strip of Russian land along Russia's border with Belarus to reduce Kyiv's vulnerability to Russian forces might be acceptable. Also, enough Russian territory toward Georgia, including all Russian territory around the Sea of Azov (Crimea included, of course) to recompense Ukraine for the damage inflicted by this conflict.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:18 PM

WarGamer (8,299 posts)

8. Don't hold your breath.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:35 PM

Me. (35,202 posts)

9. How Many People Have Been Killed/Brutialized Since THe Start Of His War Of Choice

and before? Why would anyone trust a war criminal ?

I don't understand where this is coming from all of a sudden nor why.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:38 PM

PJMcK (19,975 posts)

10. Nope

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:38 PM

Bev54 (7,789 posts)

11. Sorry but there is the subject of war crimes, Putin and his military need

to pay for those crimes. Negotiate with their replacements full stop.

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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:27 PM

tirebiter (2,420 posts)

15. No discussion without Ukraine at the table.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:41 PM

panader0 (25,660 posts)

19. This is correct. The war is between Russia and Ukraine, not the US and Russia.

We should not decide what Ukraine wants.
p.s.--I'm a Giants fan too. Hometown 72 years ago.

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