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bigtree

(85,984 posts)
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 07:35 PM Jan 2012

Eleven year-old Barack, traveling with his grandmother on a sightseeing tour of the West...

from Michael Brune at HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brune/grand-canyon-mining_b_1206259.html


The Grand Canyon is one of the world's great wonders, and millions of people have shared the awe I felt. One of them was an 11-year-old boy called Barry, traveling with his grandmother on a sightseeing tour of the West much like the one my own family made.

Now, four decades later, President Barack Obama has helped ensure the Grand Canyon will continue to endure and inspire. The Department of the Interior has announced a 20-year ban on new hard rock mineral leasing and mining (primarily for uranium) in one million acres adjacent to Grand Canyon National Park. At stake is not only the canyon itself but also the safety of the water that the Colorado River supplies to 18 million people across the Southwest.

President Obama and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar deserve kudos for these protections (you can send them a message here). Let's hope this is just the beginning of what this administration can do for protecting both the Grand Canyon and other wild places. For instance, designating Arizona's North Kaibab Plateau as a new Grand Canyon Watershed National Monument would protect important sources of groundwater, preserve 22 sensitive species (many of which occur nowhere else in the world), as well as promote and protect the local tourism economy and jobs.

The Colorado River needed millions of years to carve out the Grand Canyon. Letting mining companies run rampant could ruin it in the geological blink of an eye. The good news is that protecting it can happen just as fast. Thank you and congratulations to the Obama administration for doing what's right.


read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brune/grand-canyon-mining_b_1206259.html


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Eleven year-old Barack, traveling with his grandmother on a sightseeing tour of the West... (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2012 OP
Nice post. joshcryer Jan 2012 #1
Yes! n/t handmade34 Jan 2012 #2
Barry - cannot say this! forbidden word! edit before it's too late! inna Jan 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2012 #6
It's the right that loves to play with his name and use it to try to "make fun" of him. MADem Jan 2012 #8
Exactly. I've seen that name used affectionately here. joshcryer Jan 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2012 #18
Obama even used it once in a call to Tim Kaine! joshcryer Jan 2012 #21
"Imagine that someone could make such a fuss over so plain a name." inna Jan 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2012 #20
It was a red flag on DU2 when used derogatorily. As it was at times, echoing teabagger stuff. pinto Jan 2012 #26
Hateful, vile, use of the name was deleted, but I do not recall general... joshcryer Jan 2012 #27
whose outrage, yours? inna Jan 2012 #29
LOL! OTOH, i'd love to see what all the deleted posts in this subthread said! inna Jan 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2012 #31
I feel for you that you've been clearly bullied and OT dicussion has spoiled the thread. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32
absurd allegation inna Jan 2012 #33
The problem is that it's most often used as a belittling insult by the right NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #34
Somehow, the Righties will manage to make this look bad. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #4
is there no where they won't go bigtree Jan 2012 #9
That's a big 10-4. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #12
My neighbor assured me the Grand Canyon was created by the The Flood about 6000 years ago Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #5
Does your friend know about other Bible references? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #7
Nothing deters a true believer. immoderate Jan 2012 #10
I don't think he's bright enough to grasp the concept of absurdity. I've suggested Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #15
Backing away slowly and saying "everything's cool man." tabasco Jan 2012 #19
Ask him how Noah and his family cleaned up the S**T of 2 Apatosauruses!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #28
We're not allowed to call him "Barry"!!!!! girl gone mad Jan 2012 #11
Where is that coming from? joshcryer Jan 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2012 #22
I thought it was his nickname as a child catrose Jan 2012 #23
At least he was called Barry in school malaise Jan 2012 #24
name of a guy bigtree Jan 2012 #25
Huzzah!! Thanks Mr. Prez! ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #14
I thought the Grand Canyon was Coyote_Bandit Jan 2012 #35
they got most of the air clean with the Clean Air Act bigtree Jan 2012 #38
I hope everyone is signing the Sierra Club thank you letter. Greybnk48 Jan 2012 #36
"Barry" is a preferable nickname to "Mitt", IMHO. LeftinOH Jan 2012 #37

Response to inna (Reply #3)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. It's the right that loves to play with his name and use it to try to "make fun" of him.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
Jan 2012

They pull the "Barry" thing, like it is a taunt, and they love to emphasize the Hussein middle name to suggest that it means "Best Friend of Evil Saddam" instead of "Handsome."

When people get down to that level, it tells you they've got nothing.

"Barack" means "Blessed." You'd think the fundies would love that 'un!

The guy is blessed and handsome, by all accounts--the wingers will just have to get over it.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
13. Exactly. I've seen that name used affectionately here.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jan 2012

It's how you use it, not simply using it! The right wing and detractors use it to denigrate, not as an affectionate term.

Response to joshcryer (Reply #13)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
21. Obama even used it once in a call to Tim Kaine!
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:26 PM
Jan 2012

I posted the video down thread, and I agree with you.

He "stopped using it" as he wanted to "own" his real name, that's a sign of maturity in a country where people with weird names are denigrated for no rational reason.

inna

(8,809 posts)
17. "Imagine that someone could make such a fuss over so plain a name."
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jan 2012

I hardly can, except for the fact that it was in DU2 TOS.

At least people didn't get instantly banned for it, IIRC - *posts* would be deleted, not people (let alone, long-term (over the decade) and beloved posters, the way it happens on DU3).

Response to inna (Reply #17)

pinto

(106,886 posts)
26. It was a red flag on DU2 when used derogatorily. As it was at times, echoing teabagger stuff.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:16 PM
Jan 2012

If you have a beef about recent actions, suggest you let Admin know and follow up from there.



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joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
27. Hateful, vile, use of the name was deleted, but I do not recall general...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:19 PM
Jan 2012

...positive, affectionate use being banned.

The OP is clearly a positive use of the word.

Thus the outrage is misplaced.

inna

(8,809 posts)
29. whose outrage, yours?
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jan 2012

if not, is someone else having "the outrage"?

just curious. not really reading or posting much on DU3, at all, so... not terribly interested in your response, if any.

Response to inna (Reply #30)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
32. I feel for you that you've been clearly bullied and OT dicussion has spoiled the thread.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jan 2012

I apologize to you for my participation. (I won't delete my posts, however, because I do not fall for bullying.)

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
34. The problem is that it's most often used as a belittling insult by the right
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:02 PM
Jan 2012

(and even on the left when criticizing him).

Yes he went by Barry when he was younger, but he started asking people to call him Barack when he was in college I believe, or his early 20s.

Saying "a young Barry Obama" or "little Barry" when talking about Obama as a kid isn't insulting.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
9. is there no where they won't go
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:46 PM
Jan 2012

. . . anything they won't say to get elected?

This isn't just some random ecological initiative by this administration. They know this is political dynamite which will go off in the republicans' face if they grab it and try and run with it. This will be a slam dunk for most Americans. These republican candidates are just reckless enough to take the bait.

 

Wistful Vista

(136 posts)
5. My neighbor assured me the Grand Canyon was created by the The Flood about 6000 years ago
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jan 2012

I shit you not, he actually believes that and the whole Noah's Ark tale. I asked him how kangaroos got from Turkey to Australia and he said "God put them there". How the fuck do you have a dialogue with a shithouse rat insane guy like that?......it just gives me the heebie jeebies.

 

Wistful Vista

(136 posts)
15. I don't think he's bright enough to grasp the concept of absurdity. I've suggested
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:12 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
http://www.godisimaginary.com
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

among others, after I gave him those links he stuck a sign on his front gate that says
"Are you Ready for Jesus?". These vile people are a family of 'deacons' in the local
Baptist "church".

The horribly sad thing is this guy (who does not work, he 'rests' all day while his usually pregnant 'little woman' deals with the kiddies and goes off to her job) has acquired, over the last 3 years about a hundred different animals, dogs, cats, rabbits, chickens, and
goats as babies...and they all mysteriously vanish as soon as they grow up out of the 'puppy' stage. We are convinced they take them out in the country and just kill them.
Their dogs run loose around the neighborhood, they make little or no effort to keep them in their large fenced yard and don't appear to have any regular feeding...the ones we have tried to give a little nourishment quickly vanish.
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
19. Backing away slowly and saying "everything's cool man."
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jan 2012

And then run like a mahfah when you're at a safe distance.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
28. Ask him how Noah and his family cleaned up the S**T of 2 Apatosauruses!!
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:33 PM
Jan 2012

Those weighted nearly 25 tons, each. Their dung must have been enormous.

You'd think God would have warned Noah about that!!

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
16. Where is that coming from?
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:16 PM
Jan 2012


It's really odd, I must've missed the drama where we can't call him Barry under any circumstances.

I saw this recent example where he was called Barry affectionately, and someone corrected the poster, I'm really bemused by this. I didn't know it was a "thing." I must not be paying attention, someone should send me the secret rule book on what we can and cannot say.

Response to girl gone mad (Reply #11)

catrose

(5,065 posts)
23. I thought it was his nickname as a child
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jan 2012

seems fine to me in that context, describing an event in his childhood

Coyote_Bandit

(6,783 posts)
35. I thought the Grand Canyon was
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:30 AM
Jan 2012

DIRTY when I was there a few years ago. You could see the cloud of fog blowing over from Los Angles. It was windy on the rim and the trash from the vendors was blowing down into the canyon. Sad.

I did see the Condors flying around. Spectacular and breathtaking.

I doubt I'll ever want to go back. Seeing one of the world's great wonders being tainted by pollution isn't something I want to see.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
38. they got most of the air clean with the Clean Air Act
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jan 2012

they believe it's from the cars and trucks . . . the ground litter you saw is sad.

LeftinOH

(5,353 posts)
37. "Barry" is a preferable nickname to "Mitt", IMHO.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:50 AM
Jan 2012

"Mitt" sounds like a name you'd give to a stray cat.

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