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LymphocyteLover

(5,636 posts)
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:19 AM Nov 2022

I assume I'm not the only one appalled by the MSM continually normalizing Trump & the GOP

It's truly maddening and depressing to see not see their shit called out by the supposedly non-partisan media.

No headline should ever mention Trump without a negative attribute of some sort. No story should be published without mentioning his fascist election denial, multiple crimes and white supremacy.

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I assume I'm not the only one appalled by the MSM continually normalizing Trump & the GOP (Original Post) LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 OP
They are delighted at his tease about running again. They can't hide it Walleye Nov 2022 #1
And as soon as he declares, all criminal investigations will be viewed as "political attacks." sop Nov 2022 #7
Imagine the Civil War covered by Fox News from the confederate side Walleye Nov 2022 #9
You nailed it! KS Toronado Nov 2022 #39
Oh god! Although to some extent this has been going on already, it's just not a true hot war LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #49
Yep. Patton French Nov 2022 #2
The owners of M$Greedia are among the corporate malaise Nov 2022 #3
I don't think we can blame just the wealthy owners of the media Walleye Nov 2022 #10
Follow the script or you'll be malaise Nov 2022 #18
True. Look at what just happened at CNN Walleye Nov 2022 #19
You've hit the pertinent points indeed. Magoo48 Nov 2022 #29
So did you malaise Nov 2022 #30
of course they support Fascism Conjuay Nov 2022 #46
I hate to think it but it seems true LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #51
Billions in free publicity in 2016 & 2020. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #4
The same folks who fired Tiffany Cross malaise Nov 2022 #12
The shame all this brings to a retired newsman is deep. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #15
+1,000 malaise Nov 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Nov 2022 #23
Yes that reporter with the false story on Pelosi should never work in journalism again Walleye Nov 2022 #20
Indeed. That reporter SHOULD be fired. calimary Nov 2022 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Nov 2022 #13
The MSM is only helping embolden the GOP and Trump's traitorous actions! Emile Nov 2022 #5
You assume correctly. It makes me sick. Boomerproud Nov 2022 #6
Ratings. They'd air porn if they could. underpants Nov 2022 #8
Totally correct. Anything for ratings...Anything means.."ANYTHING" !!!! ratings mean "MORE MONEY! Stuart G Nov 2022 #41
Don't remember who I first heard say that underpants Nov 2022 #45
Haven't watched live tv for at least a year. ananda Nov 2022 #11
Where do you get your news? nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #50
Online ananda Nov 2022 #62
But what outlets online? nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #63
Celebrities pay the media to run good PR and to squash the bad. Irish_Dem Nov 2022 #14
Just this morning Diamond_Dog Nov 2022 #16
"caught up"! Like they are gentle wood creatures will no rational thought or agency LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #53
No. NBC is DELIRIOUSLY EXCITED he is running again CousinIT Nov 2022 #17
Deliriously excited is the best description I've heard Walleye Nov 2022 #21
My bigger gripe is not calling bs on rethug claims JT45242 Nov 2022 #24
Yes, that's a huge part of it-- total embrace of the criminal GOP LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #54
This whole week they've made it sound like Democrats will lose YoshidaYui Nov 2022 #25
the doomsayers about Dems are legion in the media LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #55
The Anger-Tainment industry... hmm..... Nov 2022 #26
Guy Trump and Guy Fawkes committed the same crime Ponietz Nov 2022 #27
It is way fucked up. Without a doubt. twodogsbarking Nov 2022 #28
I remember back in the 80s, msm wouldn't cover G8 summits because of protesters MagickMuffin Nov 2022 #31
Greed fueling more ignorance and hate, killing democracy. US media needs serious reform. appalachiablue Nov 2022 #32
Not arresting TFG does more to normalize him than MSM$ could ever think of uponit7771 Nov 2022 #33
The MSM is not about real news, it's about returning as much profit as possible to corporate Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #34
Right Wing Ownership Of MSM Drives Content DallasNE Nov 2022 #35
MSM loves Trump because he's so good for ratings. They don't comradebillyboy Nov 2022 #36
I will not contribute to their ratings by watching! PortTack Nov 2022 #37
They care about ratings, not actually informing people. sakabatou Nov 2022 #38
Right about now the Guardian should be awash in new subscriptions from the US. nt Samrob Nov 2022 #40
They want "access" to Republicans for interviews, info, etc. paleotn Nov 2022 #43
Joe Scum/Mika/Andrea/Chuck agingdem Nov 2022 #44
I knew the M$M was in it for the money, but even I wasn't cynical enough Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2022 #47
Thanks for all the comments-- had a busy day and just had a chance to look at this LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #48
For my part I'm very grateful that we have an MSM that we can trust... LAS14 Nov 2022 #52
Yes, there is some good coverage and non-rightwng outlets are mostly reliable LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #56
I agree with the ratings that put The Newshour at the top of non-biased reporting. nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #58
Yes, I rarely watch them (usually not he right time) but they do a pretty good job LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #59
TFG is shitstain on our society and yet like bleach at the same time RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2022 #57
The Washington Post consistently depicts him as having a political future. CBHagman Nov 2022 #60
Yes and it's certainly not limited to the WaPo. Most MSM outlets act like this. LymphocyteLover Nov 2022 #61
By no means are you the only one Mad_Machine76 Nov 2022 #64

sop

(10,096 posts)
7. And as soon as he declares, all criminal investigations will be viewed as "political attacks."
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:39 AM
Nov 2022

Had our present-day corporate media been around during the Holocaust, they would have given the "other side" equal time.

malaise

(268,676 posts)
3. The owners of M$Greedia are among the corporate
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:30 AM
Nov 2022

Billionaires for the Slobfather.
They support Fascism.

Were it not so, King Con the liar and criminal would not receive non-stop coverage.
Nearly two fucking years after his failed coup and he is still the center of attention. Clearly the money men and women want it so.

Walleye

(30,963 posts)
10. I don't think we can blame just the wealthy owners of the media
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:43 AM
Nov 2022

The on air people are not journalists even though they pretend to be, they are basically fan girls and boys for celebrities. They spend more time on hair and make up than on investigating stories. And they listen more to each other than average citizens. Although I’m sure their corporate bosses love it. They seem to fall right in

malaise

(268,676 posts)
18. Follow the script or you'll be
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:07 AM
Nov 2022

‘Crossed’ a la Tiffany. How dare that black woman speak the truth about DeathSentence when they want access for another round of their circus coverage?
Most of the hacks are paid well to promote the interests of their owners.
Decades ago I read Sport, Power and Culture by John Hargreaves.
His Chapter on Media Sport opened my eyes bigger than many other Social Science texts.
Promote the interests of the owners and make money or you’re out.
The producers are among the most vicious enforcers on behalf of their owners.

Magoo48

(4,697 posts)
29. You've hit the pertinent points indeed.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:06 AM
Nov 2022

I quit them many years ago. Corporate media is as amateurish and embarrassing as one would expect them to be with red-ink wielding, right wing lackeys hanging over their shoulders. Censorship is consistently subtle and occasionally blatant. It is always there. Omission and spin are lies. Although a journalist will periodically slip through. Like say, Rachelle, even they are governed or let go. On a whole, MSM is a fucking bad, sad joke. A free nation would not put up with it.

Conjuay

(1,362 posts)
46. of course they support Fascism
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:15 PM
Nov 2022

They don’t want to go back to the days of 30% income tax. They will do ANYTHING to prevent them from sharing ANYTHING.

Kid Berwyn

(14,795 posts)
4. Billions in free publicity in 2016 & 2020.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:30 AM
Nov 2022

Pisswig cuts taxes for the Ownership Class.

Corporate McPravda not only broadcast his inanities 24/7/366 @ full-volume, they REFUSE (not fail) to investigate his sundry treasons and myriad criminality.

malaise

(268,676 posts)
12. The same folks who fired Tiffany Cross
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:44 AM
Nov 2022

promoted and continue to promote the Slobfather - go figure.
Have they fired the NBC reporter who spread the misinformation about Paul Pelosi?

Never ever forget that The Apprentice was all NBC

Kid Berwyn

(14,795 posts)
15. The shame all this brings to a retired newsman is deep.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:50 AM
Nov 2022


Shed No Tears for Jeff Zucker, Trump's Great Enabler

At NBC and CNN, Zucker was key to Trump’s rise

by Eric Alterman
The American Prospect / Altercation, Feb. 3, 2022

I have to say I’m amused by all the crocodile tears being shed for Jeff Zucker’s forced resignation from CNN. Obviously, he is gone for reasons other than the ones being given; that was a slap-on-the-wrist sort of violation for a network president. (My out-of-the-bleachers guess would be that it is directly related to Chris Cuomo’s suit against CNN.) CNN whiners should be ashamed of themselves for defending him. Yes, he’s not as bad as the criminal whorehouse operator, Roger Ailes. (That’s how they get you: "Defining Deviancy Down" …) But his reign at CNN had one crucial world historical impact: the promotion of Donald Trump and his brand of entertaining fascism to the U.S. and the world. As for CNN, it was the network’s refusal to distinguish between what its journalists know to be true and what they know to be a lie for the benefit of those who depend on it for news.

The following paragraph is drawn from my 2020 book Lying in State: Why Presidents Lie—and Why Trump Is Worse:

Trump’s fame was mostly confined to Manhattan-based gossip writers and broadcasters until 2004, when he teamed up with the television producer Mark Burnett to create The Apprentice. Jeff Zucker, an NBC executive who later moved on to CNN in time for the 2016 campaign, gave the program the green light. "The show was built as a virtually nonstop advertisement for the Trump empire and lifestyle," according to a 2016 Trump biography. Naturally, it was a lie from start to finish. The Apprentice was filmed in his offices in Trump Tower, but, as one of the show’s producers told a reporter from The New Yorker, "We walked through the offices and saw chipped furniture. We saw a crumbling empire at every turn. Our job was to make it seem otherwise." According to a supervising editor on the show, the producers’ "first priority on every episode … was to reverse-engineer the show to make it look like his judgment had some basis in reality."


Trump entered the presidential race in November 2015 at a moment when the always tenuous line between "entertainment" and politics was rapidly and purposely being erased. And it was around this time that the same Jeff Zucker landed the top job at CNN. "The idea that politics is sport is undeniable, and we understood that and approached it that way," he told a reporter. And just as sports broadcasters hire hosts who can make boring games sound interesting, and keep the audience entertained regardless of their level of expertise, so, too, Zucker chose pundits with no discernible qualifications save their willingness to sing the praises of Donald Trump. He hired Jeffrey Lord, a journeyman conservative author who repeatedly compared Trump to Martin Luther King Jr., and Kayleigh McEnany, an attractive young law student who consistently argued that Trump "doesn’t lie," but that instead, "the press lies." (McEnany was rewarded for these arguments with an appointment in 2017 as the Republican National Committee spokesperson, and, two years later, for the same position in Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign, before becoming Trump’s presidential press secretary, also in 2020.) According to Zucker’s preferred metric, these hires were more than justified. "Everybody says, ‘Oh, I can’t believe you have Jeffrey Lord or Kayleigh McEnany,’" he said. "But you know what? They don’t know who Jeffrey Lord and Kayleigh McEnany are"—as if this somehow justified their lies and the lunatic conspiracy theories they passed along to viewers.

Zucker even proved willing to hire Trump’s former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, in June 2016, not long after an incident in which Lewandowski was charged with misdemeanor battery following his physical attack on a female reporter whose question he did not like. (The charges were later dropped, though not before Lewandowski was accused by another Trump supporter of sexual assault.) Lewandowski had lost an internal power struggle within the Trump campaign, and with it his job. Such a hire would not normally be considered unusual in the incestuous world of cable TV commentary, but in this case, Lewandowski had signed a nondisclosure agreement that contained a nondisparagement clause before leaving the campaign. That meant he was legally enjoined from saying anything that might reflect badly on Trump—even if it was truthful. Zucker did not care. Truth was not the metric: Ratings were. (In September 2019, Lewandowski testified before the House Judiciary Committee investigating impeachment and admitted, "I have no obligation to be honest to the media because they’re just as dishonest as anybody else." He was booked on CNN that same night.)

Owing to the strong ratings that Trump-themed programming earned the network during the election season, Zucker constantly pressured his staff to keep the focus on Trump’s campaign. CNN was happy to broadcast the candidate’s lies unmediated and uninterrupted, whether they were offered on the phone, in live interviews, or during rallies. According to the nonpartisan fact-checking site PolitiFact, which investigated 158 statements Trump had made on the campaign trail before June 2016, 78 percent of those statements were false, mostly false, or "pants on fire." Only about 3 percent of the statements it investigated were judged to be entirely true. The other 19 percent were half true or mostly true.

Continues…

https://americanprospect.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=ab1a4d0dd4d48a2ba1077c4494791306.1331&s=bb6bef2a4b7e3fbe7fcc8d721fca4907

The press is the only business mentioned by name in the Constitution. And CNN has made certain the new boss will be worse for democracy.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #15)

Walleye

(30,963 posts)
20. Yes that reporter with the false story on Pelosi should never work in journalism again
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:22 AM
Nov 2022

Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way anymore

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #4)

Stuart G

(38,410 posts)
41. Totally correct. Anything for ratings...Anything means.."ANYTHING" !!!! ratings mean "MORE MONEY!
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:16 PM
Nov 2022

iF it were complicated, it would be complicated. It ain't. IT IS VERY SIMPLE.

Yes "Porn if they could." Totally CORRECT. I had to repeat that one.

underpants

(182,593 posts)
45. Don't remember who I first heard say that
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:02 PM
Nov 2022

It was someone IN show business not politics. Michael Moore? Maher? Jay Mohr (sports radio show)?

ananda

(28,833 posts)
11. Haven't watched live tv for at least a year.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:44 AM
Nov 2022

No reason to, really.

And I like to boycott people and stations I
abhor.

Irish_Dem

(46,465 posts)
14. Celebrities pay the media to run good PR and to squash the bad.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:45 AM
Nov 2022

We can assume the GOP is doing the same thing.

Diamond_Dog

(31,901 posts)
16. Just this morning
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:04 AM
Nov 2022

I read a headline from a newspaper saying “Republicans caught up in the election denial movement …”

NO! Should read “Republicans who believe the lies Trump has fed them”

CousinIT

(9,217 posts)
17. No. NBC is DELIRIOUSLY EXCITED he is running again
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:06 AM
Nov 2022

They're about PROFIT at any cost. Even the cost of Trump completing the job of destroying our Republic.

JT45242

(2,240 posts)
24. My bigger gripe is not calling bs on rethug claims
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:29 AM
Nov 2022

All over Iowa rethugs who voted infrastructure, burn pits, cheap insulin, and Medicare negotiating prices are claiming they get these things done and the lazy press lets them.

YoshidaYui

(41,818 posts)
25. This whole week they've made it sound like Democrats will lose
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:39 AM
Nov 2022

I have no clue why they think Democrats will lose. Maybe there are already sore losers.

hmm.....

(11 posts)
26. The Anger-Tainment industry...
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:42 AM
Nov 2022

..finds it highly profitable.
The crazy public figures draw clicks and views from the riled-up masses.

Ponietz

(2,935 posts)
27. Guy Trump and Guy Fawkes committed the same crime
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 10:44 AM
Nov 2022

One of those was hanged, drawn, and quartered and the Brits commemorate it every year—yesterday in fact.

MagickMuffin

(15,928 posts)
31. I remember back in the 80s, msm wouldn't cover G8 summits because of protesters
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:16 AM
Nov 2022


Smashing windows on a few buildings got the msm riled up to where they quit airing protest. Their rational at the time was they didn’t want to encourage more protesters to “act out”.

They seem to embrace trumpism! The whole shit bang and caboodle.


SAD






Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
34. The MSM is not about real news, it's about returning as much profit as possible to corporate
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:28 AM
Nov 2022

shareholders or owners like billionaire Jeff Bezos. We no longer have a truly free press as Thomas Jefferson described a few hundred years ago. While PBS and NPR do a decent job, when George Bush cut their government support drastically, they were forced to go to corporations for more funding, including the Koch organization. Those funders placed some restrictions on their news coverage. Having listened to NPR and watched PBS news decades ago in the East, I can see a big difference in the type of questioning of interviewees and the slants that support conservatism.

I don’t necessarily want government to be in full control of the media, especially when I think of someone like Trump using it to turn news into fantasy land, but we had better access to real information and less party pandering in the days of Walter Cronkite and journalists like Tim Russert. I don’t know what the solution is, but today’s media is contributing heavily to the downfall of democracy.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
35. Right Wing Ownership Of MSM Drives Content
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:28 AM
Nov 2022

So you get what the boss wants. Example: Twitter. Currencies are the only paper that matters.

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
43. They want "access" to Republicans for interviews, info, etc.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:20 PM
Nov 2022

Republicans have put some pretty serious conditions on that in the last decade or so, i.e. say anything bad about Republicans and no access for you. Couple that with the fact that much of our national media care far more about their own 6 to 8 figure paychecks and outlet bottom line than they do about democracy or anything else of substance and you get what we have now.

If said scribblers and yacking heads were in Russia, they'd be "mouth piecing" Putin and quite happy to do so. It's who they are. It's how the roll. They make me sick.


Yes...I'm beating on the media again because they fucking deserve to be beat on.

agingdem

(7,804 posts)
44. Joe Scum/Mika/Andrea/Chuck
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 12:27 PM
Nov 2022

Last edited Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

were the first to "normalize" Trump...their collective hate for Hillary was on display from the the very beginning...no way were they going to allow a Clinton interloper to occupy the Oval Office, not again...so they cleaned up their party buddy, a depraved cruel crude amoral multi-married narcissistic sociopath, and sold him as a viable candidate, someone who would "grow in office"...and when Trump was elected they rejoiced..they had access to the President of the United States..and then Morning Joe dared to criticize the orange cretin...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
47. I knew the M$M was in it for the money, but even I wasn't cynical enough
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:18 PM
Nov 2022

to think there was simply no bottom ever. Now I see it. He really could shoot someone on 5th Ave in front of witnesses and the M$M would continue to normalize his behavior. If attempted coup doesn't get you called out & marginalized by the media, nothing will.

LAS14

(13,769 posts)
52. For my part I'm very grateful that we have an MSM that we can trust...
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:54 PM
Nov 2022

... to give us the facts, when they're reporting, not opining. How else would we know the election was not stolen? Where do you get your news?

LymphocyteLover

(5,636 posts)
56. Yes, there is some good coverage and non-rightwng outlets are mostly reliable
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:03 PM
Nov 2022

I'm referring more to the general tenor and framing of their coverage, not the strict accuracy.

I watch CNN and MSNBC a bit in the evening, they are OK.

Online, I look at NYT, WaPo, Local paper (USA Today based), Twitter and DU.

LymphocyteLover

(5,636 posts)
59. Yes, I rarely watch them (usually not he right time) but they do a pretty good job
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:05 PM
Nov 2022

except if David Brooks is on

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,663 posts)
57. TFG is shitstain on our society and yet like bleach at the same time
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:07 PM
Nov 2022

he is exposing all the POS cult members and their utterly backwards thinking.


The only problem is his voters have no shame, they are empowered by his criminal activity, his lies, his cruelness, his racism and his hate for anybody who dares to question him.


This will not be remembered as a great part of our countries history.

CBHagman

(16,980 posts)
60. The Washington Post consistently depicts him as having a political future.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:09 PM
Nov 2022

Even with the multiple investigations, the attempt to overturn the election, the documents case, and the inconvenient fact that Trump twice failed to win the popular vote — oh, and the fact that Trump has a decades-long record of racism and of abusing vendors and workers — The Washington Post keeps referencing TFG as the Republican front-runner for 2024. The paper of Watergate has no problem with this framing, apparently.

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